I’ve been thinking a lot about teeth lately.
First I read this post by Ian Ayres on the value of getting a tooth cleaning.
Then I was out in Salt Lake City to give a lecture at the University of Utah, and the student who drove me around was a very nice guy whose father is a dentist, and we fell to discussing whether dentists’ offspring have better teeth than average (yes, he said), and whether that difference is genetic or behavioral (behavioral, he said).
Then I came across an interesting working paper by Sherry Glied and Matthew Neidell called “The Economic Value of Teeth” (abstract here or download here).
The paper asks whether good teeth improve a person’s labor-market outcome, which is a basic but important question, especially since teeth (unlike height or looks in general) are something that can be fixed.
Glied and Neidell used a clever methodology to measure the impact of teeth on earnings: whether and/or when a certain city’s population had access to fluoridated water. As they explain in the abstract: “The politics surrounding the adoption of water fluoridation by local water districts suggest exposure to fluoride during childhood is exogenous to other factors affecting earnings.”
They found that women who grew up drinking fluoridated water earn about 4 percent more than women who didn’t, although they found no effect for men. “Furthermore,” they write, “the effect is almost exclusively concentrated amongst women from families of low socioeconomic status.”
Knowing what we know about various “beauty premiums,” this strikes me as a not-very-surprising but still interesting result. The one surprise may be that there is no good-teeth effect for men, since the research of Dan Hamermesh (who’s been doing great guest blogging here lately) showed that looks actually matter more for men than for women. To quote a recent Economist article on the subject:
Just over a decade ago Dr. Hamermesh presided over a series of surveys in the United States and Canada which showed that when all other things are taken into account, ugly people earn less than average incomes, while beautiful people earn more than the average. The ugliness “penalty” for men was -9 percent while the beauty premium was +5 percent. For women, perhaps surprisingly considering popular prejudices about the sexes, the effect was less: the ugliness penalty was -6 percent while the beauty premium was +4 percent.
Since then, he has gone on to measure these effects in other places. In China, ugliness is penalized more in women, but beauty is more rewarded. The figures for men in Shanghai are –25 percent and +3 percent; for women they are –31 percent and +10 percent. In Britain, ugly men do worse than ugly women (-18 percent as against -11 percent) but the beauty premium is the same for both (and only +1 percent).
Any way you look at it, the teeth paper is yet another reminder that, as much as we might like to think that wages are perfectly correlated with talent and effort, more trivial factors always come into play.
There is, for instance, the famous argument by three Penn researchers that tall people earn more money than shorter people, although their explanation included the fact that you had to be tall as an adolescent, not the beneficiary of a later growth spurt. Why? Because, their argument went, lifetime self-esteem is heavily formed in adolescence, and you gathered up extra self-esteem if you were a tall adolescent.
Interestingly, that explanation — which always struck me as fascinating, though a bit too fantastic — has recently been challenged in a paper by Anne Case and Christina Paxson called “Stature and Status: Height, Ability, and Labor Market Outcomes” (forthcoming publication in the Journal of Political Economy). Their explanation is brutally simple:
In developed countries, researchers have emphasized factors such as self esteem, social dominance, and discrimination. In this paper, we offer a simpler explanation: On average, taller people earn more because they are smarter. As early as age 3 — before schooling has had a chance to play a role — and throughout childhood, taller children perform significantly better on cognitive tests. … Furthermore, we show that taller adults select into occupations that have higher cognitive skill requirements and lower physical skill demands.
So what does all this research mean if you are a short, not-so-attractive person with bad teeth?
It means you should get your teeth fixed.
This, by the way, is a big part of the reasoning behind the charity Smile Train, which we wrote about here. Smile Train realizes that something as relatively minor as a cleft palate can put a huge drag on your future, especially in developing countries:
Fixing a child’s cleft lip or palate is a relatively cheap procedure with outsize payoffs: cleft children in many countries are ostracized and have a hard time going to school, getting jobs and marrying, and the surgery reverses those disadvantages. Indeed, when pitching a reluctant government, [Brian] Mullaney refers to cleft children as “nonperforming assets” who can soon be returned to the economic mainstream.
If all this talk of beauty premiums and ugly penalties has you down, there’s at least one piece of good news: having a ridiculous first name, be it Fido or Loser or LemonJello, doesn’t seem to affect career earnings at all.
[Note: I’ll be discussing this subject tomorrow (Tues.) morning on The Takeaway.]

May 26, 2008, 4:59 pm
2008
5:37 pm
Although I haven’t read the paper, I have reservations that fluoridated water provision is truly exogenous. It probably is, but I think we should take the results knowing full well that they are observational.
— Posted by nm
2008
5:37 pm
I, for one, haven’t noticed a height difference between the rich and poor, nor have I noticed taller lawyers, doctors, or grad students (having been in grad school myself). If height is so correlated with income, the average person in the ghetto should be a lot shorter than the average brain surgeon. Little construction workers, huge bankers. The richest people in the world don’t seem to be giants, nor the poorest ones midgets.
Could someone explain this anomaly? Or do people have different observations?
— Posted by simon
2008
5:39 pm
Just a thought: the lack of results for men might result from this: beautiful women must smile, men have the option of adopting a serious look.
— Posted by Roberto
2008
6:02 pm
@3: I don’t buy that as a man you can get a career just by looking stern and not smiling. Apparently most successful people to become successful because they socialise outside of office hours. Generally networking goes better for people with winning smiles.
— Posted by Remco van Bree
2008
6:13 pm
Someone should do a study on the effect on children not getting their teeth looked after because their parents don’t want to pay the high prices Dentists charge to have their cleaned.
It is illegal in all states that I know of for a Dental Tech to work on his/her own. They HAVE to work for a Dentist. In a free market, getting your teeth cleaned would work the same way as getting your hair cut. There would be walk-in shops all over. Your kids could get their teeth cleaned while you shop at Wal Mart.
The Dentists have a real racket going here. All of their talk about how it wouldn’t be “safe” otherwise is nonsense to cover up their enslavement of Dental Techs.
— Posted by Bill Millan
2008
6:14 pm
The inconvenient truth is that tooth decay rates and tooth loss are highest in the most fluoridated states . So Gliad et al’s article doesn’t hold water.
for more info
http://www.orgsites.com/ny/nyscof
http://www.FluorideAction.Net
— Posted by nyscof
2008
6:34 pm
There was an NYT article a year or two ago, a fairly lengthy one, about a woman who had been working in minimum wage jobs at places like Wal-Mart since the ’70s, doing jobs like stocking shelves, and was making less in real wages than she had in the ’70s. The article observed that the big obstacle to her advancement to higher paying positions was that she had no teeth, and so anything that involved interaction with customers was ruled out. And all the positions that people would move up to from the sorts of jobs she was doing were jobs interacting with customers. If I recall correctly, she had dentures but they were very poor fitting and unusable.
— Posted by El Christador
2008
6:41 pm
Flourinated water? Are you out your minds. Obviously you have not heard of 3rd world communities around the world whose only water source has so much Fluorine the whole village has deep brown teeth-erosion free teeth- nonetheless.
— Posted by august
2008
7:20 pm
does nobody remember the classic Alan Blinder’s funny paper about the economics of brushing teeth?
— Posted by claudio
2008
10:10 pm
“Growth of the Soil” is a sympathetic portrayal of a poor farm wife, whose cleft palate was corrected midlife with unforeseen consequences for her marriage. It well deserved the Nobel in Literature it earned in 1920 for Norway’s Knut Hamsun.
— Posted by Janice Huth Byer
2008
12:15 am
This little blog got me all tear’d up.
When I was a younger man, in tougher times (2003). I was in a bar fight and lost a front tooth. I soon realized that teeth are important. People w/ out teeth are freaks. In the business world, acceptable teeth is a must. When it comes to labor and economics. It is a utility function. My teeth’s utility is equal to my counterparts. It will take an institutional adjust of extreme social change to make teeth have an impact in the labor market. Outside, the top quarter of income earners. I
— Posted by Frank
2008
2:56 am
@5: Dental Hygienists have been allowed to practice independently of dentists in Colorado for several years now. A very small percentage of them have opted to assume the risk of opening a small business of their own. An interesting paper titled “The Economic Impact of Unsupervised Dental Hygiene Practice and its Impact on Access to Care in the State of Colorado” only identified 17 dental hygiene practices that were independent of a dental office. If interested, you can read the paper here: http://www.ada.org/prof/resources/topics/report_hygiene .pdf
As a side note, average salaries of $60-80k for dental hygienists do not really constitute “enslavement” in my book…
— Posted by Jenn
2008
3:38 am
If my comment converts one cigarette smoker, I will consider it a triumph. As a former smoker I know what I’m talking about.
Cigarette smoking causes gingivitis … gum disease. That, in turn, causes the loss of teeth.
Look at the next dozen smokers you meet. Their teeth are battlegrounds. Their smiles are stained fences with half of the pickets missing.
Their appearance will prejudice employers and they will earn less in the free marketplace.
Today, the state of ones dental care is a surrogate for class and education.
For what you’ll pay for your next pack of cigarettes, you could buy a gallon of gasoline and drive 12 miles in your new Escalade.
Toss out your Marlboros! You’re too good a person to do this to yourself.
— Posted by Anatole France
2008
4:07 am
What a revelation… survival of the cutest.
Rats - ugh! But put a bushy tail on ‘em - awww, look at the cute squirrel!
People are actually still trying to “prove” the obvious?
— Posted by Benny Rietveld
2008
5:24 am
What prices like this, paid by private collectors, often mean is that the public will rarely see this work in person again. Most museums cannot hope to come up with this sort of cash for a single painting. Many collectors then store the work in a bank vault or display it in a private home. As noted in the interview, paintings often need to be seen in person to be truly understood or appreciated… while a reproduction in a catalogue or magazine may impress, the full emotional impact of a particular work will be seriously diluted if not lost altogether. When private collectors spend their copious meaningless millions on works of art for whatever personal reasons, the rest of us lose out. And, just a personal opinion here… I don’t care what anyone spent on a Jeff Koons work, the guy is not an “artist”… shameless self-promoter, brilliant marketing genius, yes, but artist? sigh. A famous PT Barnum quote comes to mind…
— Posted by jasmine
2008
6:02 am
Anthropologists have long speculated that the smile itself, showing your teeth, is a near universal gesture to show how healthy you are as a potential mate. Good teeth generally means a healthy person; this is the reason we look at horses’ mouths, even when they are gifts.
Why can’t healthy teeth simply be an indicator of overall health? And if you feel good, why are you not going to perform better?
— Posted by Silvanus
2008
7:09 am
In the 1960s, another fellow and I were discussing who would become the Board Char of a large corporation. He said, “I don’t know who it will be, but I bet HE will wear a 42 long suitcoat”.
Over the years, I have seen that many more times than pure chance would dictate. It appears to me that sex, height and weight all bear on the selection process. It is reasonable to think that ‘beauty’ would too.
— Posted by Ron A
2008
7:09 am
Guilty as charged! My mother has horrible teeth, and I grew up being embarrassed for her about them. I had braces in my teens, and take excellent care of my own teeth. I get many compliments on them. My dear mother has horrible self-confidance issues, owing at least in part, I am certain, to those teeth. I, on the the other hand, sometimes have more confidance than is good for me.
— Posted by Sarah
2008
7:34 am
Nice to hear that I’m finally good looking since I grew up in a town with floridated water. However, a friend from another town was looking at my high school year book and declared us all ugly.
— Posted by moth
2008
8:00 am
Interesting!
Maybe I’ll consider fixing my teeth..
— Posted by andante
2008
8:36 am
I think it’s no surprise at all the women are penalized less for “ugliness” and rewarded less for “beauty” when compared with men. It has been my experience in both the academic world and the professional world that beautiful (or cute or pretty) women are taken much less seriously than their less cute or pretty counterparts. It’s as if relative unattractiveness = intelligence and seriousness, whereas attractiveness = a less superior intellect. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard people say, men and women, both with surprise, that a woman is both smart and pretty, almost as if these two traits are diametrically opposed and impossible to correlate. It is possible and not an anomoly, which I’m guessing (?) is the indirect point of this commentary?
— Posted by sshire
2008
9:33 am
Three women applied for a secretarial position: a blonde with excellent typing ability, a brunette with remarkable computor competence, and a redhead with outstanding communication skills.
Which one got the job?
The one with the biggest breasts.
(an old joke - what’s changed?)
— Posted by robert barker
2008
10:20 am
This isn’t a surprise…
— Posted by Chris Bolger
2008
10:32 am
Is dental care included in any of the health care plans being proposed by the Presidential candidates? I haven’t heard it mentioned.
— Posted by Robert Thompson
2008
10:40 am
I side with those who question floridated water as some independent, exogenous factor. There may be such an effect, but there could also be an environmental effect in which lower class people fare better in education and economic opportunity in communities that floridate water in comparison to those communities that do not floridate water.
— Posted by pointpetre
2008
10:48 am
This is not new, and it’s true. If I’m hiring a worker or looking for a tenant, I will not take a toothless wonder. If the person doesn’t think enough of himself to have good teeth, I know he or she will be sloppy as a worker or sloppy with my property. Same goes for clothing, and tattoos, forget it. You wear creepy looking tattoos visible to the public, don’t come to me for a job or an apartment. I prefer dealing with normalcy and a middle to upper class ethic and look. First impressions tell you what you are going to get. You want to live in the ghetto, then toothless, body piercings, with baggy clothing and tattoos are fine, these are life style affecting choices.
— Posted by deRuiter
2008
10:51 am
Fixation on beauty and superficiality may be manifest in some countries but in one I know well the Prime Minister has crooked pearly whites and is a woman. I guess it depends on how influenced the public are by crude publicity and advertizing relating to trivia. Viva New Zealand! Now there’s fod for thought.
— Posted by K.Waldegrave
2008
10:59 am
I was fascinated by this because, at the age of 40-something, I am in the middle of spending several thousand dollars to get the kind of orthodontic work most people in the US get as adolescents.
But one thing really annoyed me…
Can we PLEASE institute a rule that people (yes, I’m looking at you, Stephen…) are not allowed to type things like “tall people earn more money than short people” WITHOUT adding “on average”? I know that the author knows what he meant, but I’m sick of seeing stuff like this misinterpreted, e.g. “Men are stronger than women, therefore women shouldn’t be allowed to do X”, which sounds seductive until you put it in it’s proper form: “The AVERAGE man is stronger, therefore NO woman should be allowed to do X”.
For the record: I’m in the bottom quartile for height (and always have been), the top 10% for income, and test so high for IQ that I’m into the part of the tail that can’t even be reliably measured. And I have terrible teeth.
— Posted by Carl
2008
10:59 am
The irony here is that if you’re not making a decent income, you can’t afford to have your teeth fixed, or in many cases, even basic dental care.
— Posted by Susan Williamson
2008
11:27 am
Moving on to hair. Have noticed that male CEO’s and politicians all have a full head of hair. Has this been studied?
— Posted by Ben
2008
11:38 am
As a woman, I am tired of men winking and saying “just smile” as I walk down the street, or get coffee in the morning. Smiling can seem submissive, and an attempt to please. Being an unreadable cipher can pay off quite well, in my experience. And as to the study, it seems like a possible leap in logic. It could be that women from urban environments end up living and working there, where the salaries tend to be higher than in the boonies, where many people drink non-fluoridated well water. Plus, many people of higher socioeconomic status only drink non-fluoridated water, and higher socioeconomic status has been linked in other studies to higher income–what about that?
— Posted by Emmy
2008
12:36 pm
So The Stranglers had it right all along:
“It’s only the children of the [expletive deleted] wealthy who get to be good looking!”
The height-power correlation is pretty striking if you ever find yourself in a room full of Fortune 500 CEOs. Almost all of them are 6′3″, apart from that Jeff Bezos guy from Amazon.com
But the uniform tallness is not nearly so striking as the overwhelming whiteness and maleness of the gathering.
— Posted by Colm
2008
12:43 pm
What’s so sad is that dental disease is a lifetime, chronic condition. You can fix it, but you can’t cure it. Everyone keeps talking about adults, but the reality is that dental disease is the most common childhood disease and it is so easily prevented. Dental disease in children impacts nutrition, speech, language development, and, ta=-da!!! - self esteem. Oh yeah, there’s also that strong link to overall health and infection. Adults with unhealthy mouths were likely children with unhealthy mouths. It’s not just a lifestyle choice and it’s not just about fluoridation or the high costs of dental care - it’s about prioritizing the mouth as a part of the body and investing (quite cheaply) in prevention starting with very young children.
— Posted by Mason
2008
12:49 pm
How did they control for the fact that women’s salaries overall have been increasing relative to men’s?
I would imagine that the time period during which most municipalities gained access to floridated water coincided somewhat with the time period that women, overall, began to earn more. No?
— Posted by Ian
2008
1:32 pm
When I was a small child, I had a gap between my front teeth, and my parents asked the dentist to fix it. He did–I still remember how painful it was–and then of course my teeth grew in further and overlapped. I went through high school–the most miserable years of my life–with crooked front teeth and glasses. Fortunately we then started going to another dentist, who put me into braces and got them straightened out. I got contact lenses, too. It was like being a new person.
And Emmy’s comment reminds me of something Helen Mirren said that she was told when she talked with women in the London police service before taking on the role of Jane Tennison in “Prime Suspect.” Never smile, they told her; a senior police officer, particularly a woman, who smiles is not likely to be taken seriously.
— Posted by carrobin
2008
1:54 pm
I concur with the “observational” comment; some of teh article seems more correlational than showing any causality, but one would have to review the underlying studies to be certain.
Regarding smiling, I recall an academic study that suggested that it is common for men to ask women to smile, whereas it is not common for people to expect that men always smile.
— Posted by Oasis
2008
1:57 pm
To simon May 26th, 2008 @ 5:37pm
1) A taller construction worker tends to make more than a smaller construction worker.
2) a tall lawyer tends to make more than a short lawywer.
3) A better looking person tends to make more than an ugly person within the same field.
(although, I think that being too tall or too good looking [all those jeleous ppl keeping me beautiful self down] may lead to a decrease in earning potential.)
— Posted by Cinderella
2008
2:00 pm
What’s the surprise here–that people favor beauty (including good teeth) over ugliness? I didn’t realize that! Now it all makes sense…damn those dentists for making our teeth white and straight, they’ve just been playing to the beauty premium (fears) all along! Exploiters! Profiteers!
This just points to the growing ill in our society that nothing is “true” unless a study exists to “prove” it. Another interesting waste of time. We’re so obsessed with data and quantifying and statistically analyzing everything…actually useful information would be to discern WHY the beauty premium exists (if that too is not entirely obvious).
— Posted by Mark in A2
2008
2:03 pm
“In Britain, ugly men do worse than ugly women (-18 percent as against -11 percent) but the beauty premium is the same for both (and only +1 percent).”
In order for the math to work out, doesn’t this imply that there has to be 18 times as many beautiful men as ugly men, that it takes 18 beautiful men at 1% premium to offset the one ugly man’s 18% deficit? The undeniable charm of British actors notwithstanding, I have to question that the entire British population is so uncommonly blessed and hence question the entire survey-based results.
— Posted by Puzzled
2008
2:06 pm
Does the fluorinated water argument have more to do with teeth, or could it be related to the socioeconomic conditions of places that have fluorinated water? Rural areas, where people drink well water, tend to not have the best school systems. This would seem to have more of an effect on someone’s earning power than the condition of their teeth…
— Posted by Cletus
2008
2:12 pm
LemonJello! There were siblings in Berkeley years ago named LemonJello and OrangeJello… pronounced “Le-MON-gelo” and “Or-ON-gelo” … I wonder how their teeth are?
— Posted by berkeleymom
2008
2:18 pm
I’d be curious as to how they determined who is “pretty” and who “ugly” for this report… It is after all quite subjective….
— Posted by Mike
2008
2:21 pm
For good teeth eat foods high in fiber that require a good bit of chewing - whole grains, nuts, and rough greens like parsley - they clean your teeth while you eat and stimulate your gums and jaw.
— Posted by John
2008
2:25 pm
Isn’t it likely that fluoridated water is correlated with quality of other city provided services that are more traditionally expected to impact earnings such as education? Is there a control for this?
— Posted by AKStrauss
2008
2:31 pm
Dental care, like other healthcare, should be available to all children. The connections between the health of children and the lifelong health and well-being of our nation are so obvious, it’s amazing that our money-driven nation doesn’t see and value the return on investment in children’s health.
— Posted by Jeanne
2008
2:32 pm
Poverty is probably a key factor here. Lack of access to dental care is the number-one unmet health need of low-income Americans. Statistically, women are much more likely to be poor and therefore to have limited access to dental care, so they cannot correct problems resulting from unfluoridated water and tooth decay early in their lives. Also, missing teeth and unattractive dental appearance may be less of a detriment in traditionally male occupations such as construction.
— Posted by Connie Boyd
2008
2:35 pm
1) I’d be interested in learning more about how ugliness and beauty were defined, especially cross-culturally.
2) When applied to a large population sample, “taller” might partially translate to “better nutrition in childhood.” Which implies all sorts of other social and environmental advantages.
— Posted by sandee
2008
2:38 pm
just my story — my family has been in this country over 200 years. Mine was the first generation to go to college. I also went to law school. Passed the New York and Maryland bar exams on the first try. But I had awful teeth, and in 1987 was getting no job offers. I had veneers put on and got the first job I interviewed for afterwards. I’m a blond woman. Go figure.
— Posted by judy ringle
2008
2:50 pm
Why do free dental clinics refuse to do work on poor peope’s teeth? They will do small fillings, or they will pull them out. Nothing else. For many poor people, this means that they end up having teeth pulled out. Its as stupid as the requirement that poor people sell their cars before they get public assistance. (Then they insist that they find work, without a car.)
— Posted by Frank
2008
2:50 pm
Can you explain the gap in Madonna’s front teeth, relative to her success?
— Posted by MadFan
2008
3:06 pm
I have to say, being a short guy - 5′6″ - I have preconceptions of my own about height. I always assume that tall people are, on average, more confident but less competent, have well honed social skills but are less developed emotionally, and despite a certain symmetry of features that often accompanies good-looking tall people, I often find them not particularly compelling to look at. Are there exceptions? Sure. But overall, I tend to “look down” at tall people until they can otherwise prove to me that they are worthy of being measured by more than inches.
Also, as a short bald guy (totally shaved head) I can honestly say that I’ve never experienced any kind of short/bald discrimination. I’m sure some people have thought to themselves, “Get out of my way you bald midget!” but I have my own predjudices that I have to overcome, so I can’t really complain there.
— Posted by Mos
2008
3:06 pm
Forgive me for my scepticism, but this post is like a parody of itself and the whole ‘economics of lifestyle’ or ‘Freakonomics’ field of study. There are so many possible exceptions and influences on the test ‘results’ as to make the proposition and this stretched exercise of trying to cobble together all the data, meaningless.
— Posted by Ted
2008
3:08 pm
Keep in mind that good teeth, as well as height, are correlated with good nutrition when you are younger (one of the reasons that people are taller on average now than 200 years ago–at least in Westernized countries–is better overall nutrition and more consistent food sources; reduced growth in children is correlated not only with poor nutrition in infancy but also to nutrition of the mother during pregnancy). People who grow up in households with good nutrition are also more likely to grow up in households with access to better education, more parental involvement in children’s lives, etc. So although it’s possible that “as much as we might like to think that wages are perfectly correlated with talent and effort, more trivial factors always come into play”; it’s also probable that healthy teeth/taller person=better educated person raised in a more supportive and healthier environment, which would account for the statistical difference in wages (rather than employers who discriminating against people because they are ugly or have bad teeth).
I’d also like to point out that while there are upper-middle class people who are unlucky in their teeth genetics or lazy about brushing, the large majority of people who have dental problems enough to affect employability have them, again, because of poor nutrition (not because poor people are lazy or don’t know any better, but because most poverty-stricken neighborhoods have a lot more McDonalds and Convenience Stores than Whole Foods, and they don’t have the option to hop in their $30,000 Prius to drive to the next town over) or because they do not have enough money to have dental care. Even many working-class people who have jobs with other benefits do not have dental insurance. “Get your teeth fixed” is not always a readily available option.
— Posted by Julia
2008
3:14 pm
To MadFan (#50): The front-tooth gap has been a sign of sensuality for at least six hundred years. “Gat-toothed was she, soothly for to say” remarks Chaucer of the Wife of Bath, who is ready and willing for husband # 6.
But I’d like to see more comment from outside the U.S. In the British thrillers of Dorothy Sayers, which are thick with interwar social detail, over-white teeth are regularly a sign of social not-quite-quiteness. Why? Merely because conspicuous white teeth imply darker skin which suggests the tarbrush?
— Posted by iyenori
2008
3:18 pm
This certainly explains the Fall of the British Empire.
— Posted by Steve
2008
3:24 pm
The fact that women benefit less from having good teeth probably has something to do with the fact that beautiful women are often considered stereotypically female, and therefore less well-suited for management (better paying) roles.
So you earn points for not being ugly and for having good teeth, but if you’re really beautiful, you lose a few points for that and the deviation shrinks.
Also, the 4% difference for teeth in women at the lower-socioeconomic end of the spectrum seems pretty obvious if you think about the jobs women with fewer resources are likely to seek: reception, hostess, waitress, personal assistant, bartender, sales associate, and other customer-facing or greeting positions. Men with comparable resources have more access and inclination toward jobs that are not customer-facing and may be higher-paying, such as construction and other manual labor professions.
— Posted by Christina
2008
3:27 pm
I have not read the paper by Glied and Neidell, but it sounds to me like their conclusion is predicated on a questionable assumption that fluoridation of water marked some kind of a “turning point” in the dental appearance of a general population. The benefit of fluoridation is in debate even to this day. There have been studies showing negligible improvement in the rates of cavities in the general population at a locality before and after fluoridation was introduced. To then use fluoridation as a marker is not ‘clever’ methodology, it is possibly unscientific methodology.
— Posted by henryC
2008
3:32 pm
Being bald,myself I don’t know what to do or think with the coincidence,I will like to be “succesfull” or hated liked Cheney?
— Posted by smoke
2008
3:42 pm
White teeth in Ancient Rome…
There’s a Catullus poem about a guy who annoyed everyone with his extra-white teeth, which he took every opportunity to show off while arguing court cases and delivering funeral orations. The poet busted him by pointing out that his version of white-strips was his own urine, referred to as “Spanish Mouthwash.”
— Posted by kc
2008
3:44 pm
Interesting recent article in Scientific American about the dangers of over-fluoridization - including discolored teeth. With that, I would doubt the original theory that fluoridation = better-appearing teeth. That’s not a given. Also, fluoride would have no effect on correcting overbites and other dental irregularities. The orthodonture rate for a city would be more telling.
I confess to being horribly shallow - my first thought of meeting an adult with an uncorrected overbite or tilted/crossing teeth is that they must be of lower intelligence. I am often completely wrong, but that’s just my gut prejudice that I have to correct myself on.
I’m female and I was one of the tall ones in my class until I stopped growing at age 12, at 5′4″ making me on the short side. But perhaps I set my worldview of me being one of the tall ones (or at least average) before my peers outgrew me? Actually, my mother highly prized shortness since she was 5′10″ and always hated being the tallest woman (or man) in our small town. She had to import Dad.
— Posted by wb
2008
3:51 pm
I once heard of a church sunday school running a covert experiment. The church ‘restructured’ the volunteer teaching staff, and hired only beautiful people. I believe attendence went up.
— Posted by jbd
2008
3:57 pm
Conversely, look at prison populations. Many have bad teeth, and when they get their teeth fixed, they have a new lease on life. I once interviewed with a group that helped former inmates, and fixing the teeth of these folks was high on their “to-do” list.
By the way, my father had all of his teeth pulled by the Air Force in his twenties, during Korea. His parents did not have the means or the motivation to care for his teeth. Who knows how many teeth could have been saved? Consequently, my father always had a beautiful, perfect smile, and it is one reason, I think beautiful, perfect smiles look like dentures. I had braces and some whitening, but I will not let the dentist perform his veneer magic on me, because I think a mouthful of veneers looks like my late father’s dentures!
— Posted by Kate
2008
4:00 pm
I completely agree that having unattractive teeth can impact a person’s self-esteem, which can then greatly affect their success both in the workplace and in their personal life.
I was given the antibiotic tetracycline as a child and it caused my adult teeth to be terribly discolored. From early childhood on, I’ve been very self-conscious about my teeth and it’s very definitely affected how I present myself to others, both in the workplace and socially.
Unfortunately, the article’s statement that “teeth (unlike height or looks in general) are something that can be fixed” is not entirely accurate. I’ve spent the last 15 years trying to cobble together the $15,000 necessary to purchase the only solution to my dental problem–expensive porcelain veneers.
Had the drug company that put tetracycline on the market taken responsibility for the damage they’ve inflicted and compensated the many thousands of people who’ve had their teeth discolored by tetracyline over the years, then I might have long ago
— Posted by Ben
2008
4:02 pm
I completely agree that having unattractive teeth can impact a person’s self-esteem, which can then greatly affect their success both in the workplace and in their personal life.
I was given the antibiotic tetracycline as a child and it caused my adult teeth to be terribly discolored. From early childhood on, I’ve been very self-conscious about my teeth and it’s very definitely affected how I present myself to others, both in the workplace and socially.
Unfortunately, the article’s statement that “teeth (unlike height or looks in general) are something that can be fixed” is not entirely accurate. I’ve spent the last 15 years trying to cobble together the $15,000 necessary to purchase the only solution to my dental problem–expensive porcelain veneers.
Had the drug company that put tetracycline on the market compensated the many thousands of people who’ve had their teeth discolored by tetracyline over the years, then I might long ago have been able to have my smile improved. But, well, unfortunately, that’s not likely to happen, so I guess I’ll just have to keep saving.
— Posted by Ben
2008
4:05 pm
Several different factors may be overlapping here. Fluoridation needs to be controlled for the overall income and tax base of towns and cities that fluoridate. They may have a better economy that allows them to fund such “public hygiene” projects as fluoridation, and may also have a higher median income among the residents. It would be wrong to assume the fluoridation caused the increased income.
It’s important that people have healthy teeth and bodies. This should be part of free national health care available to everyone. That would certainly help. But regarding “beauty premiums,” better government regulation of labor markets should prevent discrimination at all levels, from race and sex to such trivial reasons as the employer’s concepts of beauty should be enacted.
— Posted by Ted
2008
4:13 pm
Ben,
Please consider visiting a dental school where residents (already graduated from dental school but now specializing) may be able to help you at a significantly reduced cost.
Worth a try.
— Posted by Kate
2008
4:20 pm
Studies that purport to accurately portray societal reactions to such subjective things as teeth, looks, height, etc, are all very interesting. Sadly, they don’t offer much of an opportunity for DIS-aggregation of the data to look for insights.
On a purely anecdotal level, I’ll relay my relevant experience. A lifelong reader of The Times, back in the ’90’s, I read a piece about how people with clearer skin, fewer moles, birthmarks, etc, were perceived as more attractive than others. I was a corpo person in NY, and like others, always dressing, learning, prepping, for my NEXT job. So I went and spent a grand getting all the little moles, splotches, whatever, on my face removed. Things I had never thought of or been self conscious about. Virtually everyone I dealt with immediately started to comment on how healthy I looked recently, without ever noticing, “hey, your mole is gone”. Similarly, when I anticipated having to move in 1996 as internal politics swept my group, I went and had my teeth done with porcelain laminates because I never had braces. I figured those doing the hiring at well over six figures wanted folks with an overall good impression, like straight, bright teeth, which I had not been blessed with. My colleagues immediately noticed something different, but did not know what. I was already tall so I did not get shoe lifts. I already wore suits much nicer than my superiors.(Dress for your next job, not your current one). My “signature” piece became Zegna ties. Every one got a “nice tie” from someone, every day, so I ended up with 20. (the ladies liked the ties, suits and teeth a lot). All these modifications worked. Arriving at a Wall Street house at 45, one woman colleague asked me how another colleague and I kept our teeth so bright. My answer: ” We both have porcelain laminates done by his wife, the cosmetic dentist” If one asked, many must have noticed.
So all this veneering definitely added value. Until I turned 50. My resume, because I had gone back to college and B-school late in life, made be seem 6 years younger than I was. Once you are perceived as over-40 in NYC, things get tougher, over 50, you might as well retire unless you are partner somewhere. Suits, teeth, shoes, skin, being more fit than the fresh MBA’s, nothing matters. The NY Times has plenty of articles on that issue over the last few years. Downward mobility for over 50’s, the phenomena of more Caucasian women than men over 50 being employed and the difficulty of finding work over 50.
So ultimately, the best advice is to do whatever one feels it takes to be competitive if that’s what you want to be. Just know that no matter what you have done to keep your skills and network up to date, the veneering investment has a fast depreciation rate that gets to zero somewhere between 45 and 50.
And the want adds that say 15 years or more experience wanted? That’s corpo-code for “max age, 40, thank you very much”. So it’s best to figure all that into the calculus of the exterior-upgrade investment. Unless of course, you are spending on exterior upgrades simply for your vanity.
— Posted by Toothandnail
2008
5:02 pm
The obvious - yes, good teeth are important. Less
obvious - there is little help available for an adult with bad teeth and without the money to pay for having them fixed, or, if necessary, having them removed and replaced by dentures. This leads to copious resulting problems of poor diet, low confidence exacerbated by the inability to pursue most employment opportunities, depression, etc. I am unaware of any government or social agencies who confront this problem.
— Posted by hillary
2008
5:02 pm
I have been blessed with a great set of straight, cavity-free (so far) teeth and a near-flawless complexion. I am also African-American and female. I’ll let you draw your own conclusions.
— Posted by Yaa
2008
5:04 pm
@August #8
FluoriDated, not fluorinated.
with added fluoride, not fluorine.
— Posted by lebecka
2008
5:10 pm
What about the freakonomics of all the short, old ugly guy producers in Hollywood who get to make all these movies featuring doddering old farts with young babes? Oh, yeah, they’ve got white teeth.
— Posted by ralph ng
2008
5:15 pm
Just trying to follow the numbers: does that mean that in Britain there are many fewer ugly people than beautiful people, relative to other countries? Otherwise, how could the variation from average be so different?
— Posted by JT
2008
5:22 pm
An observation about the question of height and intelligence in three year olds.
I would hazard a guess that taller three year olds could be correlated to better nutrition, better prenatal care, and that both of these could be correlated to higher family incomes or low rates of poverty, which could be correlated with more intelligent parents, and so forth and so on.
I suspect you could draw whatever conclusions you like from the data, and make a case for it. I just don’t think it would be significant.
— Posted by David L
2008
5:53 pm
There is probably no hard evidence of this, but someone recently told me that an unusual number of highly successful basketball players are tall. Anybody concur with this observation. Anybody?
— Posted by Brock
2008
6:31 pm
Alex Ovechkin became the highest-paid player in the history of his sport right about the time he acquired that famous (and very sought-after in hockey circles) gap in his smile…
— Posted by Open Photo
2008
6:42 pm
The teeth argument sounds a bit like Stephen Jay Gould’s pointing out that nearsightedness is not,for humans, a genetic minus, because it’s 100% correctable with glasses. I have bad teeth — but fixed teeth. I grew up before fluoridation, but my (expensive) teeth are as nice as anybody’s. Nice teeth aren’t genetic or a result of public health — they are a class/economic issue. People have bad teeth and don’t get good jobs for the same reason they have bad clothes, bad cars and bad accents (non-standard English) and don’t get jobs. They can’t afford them. State-funded insurance might help even that playing field…
— Posted by John
2008
6:43 pm
My high-school classmates became much friendlier the year I switched to contact lenses and had my braces taken off.
— Posted by k
2008
7:34 pm
People who drink flouridated water make 4% more than others.
Give me a break.
That’s because people who live in bigger cities (that flouridate) can afford to live in more expensive areas. Not the other way around, stupid.
In fact, if you factor all the variables, i’d be willing to bet people who drink flouriadated water are more sick becuase flouride is more toxic to the human body than lead is.
READ: FLOURIDE IS MORE TOXIC THAN LEAD.
This article should be re-written to say “possible connection between drinking toxic chemicals and the amount of money you make.”
Idiot science.
— Posted by Troy
2008
8:02 pm
Try Costa Rica or other countries where world-class dentistry does not require (a now less likely) HELOC. Still out of the reach of many.
And those kids of dentists, marvels of correct flossing? More likely, access to all the latest cosmetic procedures!
— Posted by Vicki
2008
8:29 pm
It also depends on what you grew up around. Growing up on Long Island, everyone always had decent, good looking teeth. Even if they were fixed, thats just how they looked. Everyone had them. I was fortunate to have decent enough teeth to not really need fixing.
Once I moved down here to the south, some of the girls teeth that I saw, I was literally taken aback and said “what the hell is that??” in my head, like I had been hit with a bat or something. These were otherwise beautiful, 20 year old women, and seeing that completely destroyed the image.
It’s not that I had some superficial, elitist mindset. It was that I had never seen that before in real life: as far as I know, good looking teeth were just a normal part of life. That is where the real problem is: if you grew up with everyone around you having bad teeth, you think that it’s normal. But with more and more people having theirs fixed, the perspective is skewed: messed up teeth just look less and less normal over time.
— Posted by John-Robert La Porta
2008
8:39 pm
If the positive correlation between height and intelligence explains the “height premium”, is the “beauty premium” equally explained by a correlation between beauty and intelligence? Somebody check.
Short guy with MIT PhD.
— Posted by heck
2008
8:53 pm
Carl (#28): your stats do not necessarily disprove this whole tooth theory. With your super-ultra IQ, one would expect your income to be at least within the upper 5%.
Maybe it’s the teeth?
Oh, and for the record–I am an attractive redhead with good teeth, and I’ve never had a problem getting crappy jobs (e.g. I work as a dj in a bar right now.)
What I’m worried about, however, is how I’m going to get a *real* job once I graduate with this Master of Architecture degree next month.
Maybe I should color my hair brown.
— Posted by Dani
2008
8:56 pm
Teeth and looks correlate indirectly with success:
Nice teeth and good looks are outward demonstrations that people, on average, take better care of themselves and come from a higher socioeconomic status.
If you are the type of person who has good dental and personal grooming habits, you are more likely to do the other small things in other areas of your life that make one professionally successful.
The more money that you have, the more likely that you will be able to afford the things that increase your attractiveness. This also correlates indirectly with other factors that arise from being from a higher socioeconomic status: level of education, professional contacts, etc.
— Posted by Tom Barrister
2008
9:17 pm
knowone has mentioned genetics here. i come from a long line of tall people so it’s no surprise that i’m tall, 5′11. i married a 6′ man so it’s no surprise that my son is 6′5! and so it goes. does tallness = intelligence? well i guess my family is pretty intelligent, mostly white collar professionals. and as far as the good teeth of dentists kids goes, my mom, daughter of a dentist, had what she called “soft” teeth and had many gold molers! i think i inherited her soft teeth, because no matter how much i brushed, i got cavities!!! so, i have many crowns also. the good news is the shape and straightness of my teeth are just about perfect :)
— Posted by karen
2008
9:24 pm
Interesting back and forth: Tall, bad teeth, ugly, and successful
I am 6 feet 2 inches, and wish I were around 5′10″, “Good-looking”, and wish I looked a lot more ordinary, have very bad teeth from my own neglect and
shamefully bad dentistry in the past. Oh, yeah, and have been moderately
successful and pretty happy in general.
So….. what does this all MEAN. To me, it just means that I am who I am
for a hell of a lot of different reasons, some of them complete mysteries.
— Posted by Ed McMahon
2008
9:24 pm
The one surprise may be that there is no good-teeth effect for men, since the research of Dan Hamermesh showed that looks actually matter more for men than for women.
Although this is in regard to labor-market outcome (earnings), and I believe that in the dating market the converse is true, that looks matter more for women than for men, I also believe that looks matter a lot more for men in the dating market than women claim they do.
And, while this is probably no surprise to anyone, attractive people are likely seen as much more desirable by potential employers and partners alike. Looks matter. Saying they “shouldn’t” matter doesn’t change the fact that they do matter.
— Posted by Vaquero
2008
9:27 pm
you (freakonomics/some) should look at traders v. investment bankers @ bulge bracket banks.
IMHO, traders tend to be shorter, fatter, more brusque than the “cultivated” i-bankers.
In trading looks obviously don’t matter, but in relationship-centric i-banking, looks do?
— Posted by chuck
2008
9:34 pm
I suppose it’s futile to suggest that deRuiter read-up on the categorical imperative, so busy this contributor has been crassly judging, and then treating, others as a means to his (or her) ends. But really, when are the majority of you going to take notice as Waldegrave has and denounce the basis for this thinking (egoism, prejudice, vanity, and more)? What a waste these comments tirelessly present statistics and anecdotes without penetrating to the core of the problem.
— Posted by Hank
2008
9:38 pm
#27: Perfect! A Kiwi apologist for rotten, miserable teeth. Hail Britannia, long live the denture. You are a joke.
— Posted by Smiley
2008
9:39 pm
To Troy:
Be careful when you start throwing around insults, lest they come to reflect on you.
Any chemical is toxic in sufficient quantities. Speaking of drinking toxic chemicals, how much alcohol do you consume, Dr. Strangelove?
Lethal dose toxicity is an extremely crude way of measuring the danger of a substance. Lead has no biological function at any level, and has this nasty tendency to accumulate in the body over time. Toxicity to neurons will appear at much lower levels than the LD50 that you’re probably referring to. In fact, certain forms of lead (such as tetraethyl lead, the former gasoline additive), can be about 100 times more toxic than lead metal, and thus far more toxic than fluoride. While we’re on the subject, ever given any thought about why we add manganese to gasoline? That should make you nervous than adding fluoride to water.
On an aside, how tall are Ms. Case and Ms. Paxson?
— Posted by Joe Stethoscope
2008
10:07 pm
I’ve got a great idea, why not fix our teeth with fluoride and mercury! Then those little lovelies can travel straight up the olfactory nerve, cross the blood-brain barrier and make us ADHD!
90 comments and not one on mercury toxicity - why not check the earnings of people with the APOe4 gene and amalgam induced mercury poisoning. Remember to include alzheimers and voila, you will have an economic model worth something.
Ahh, but alas not enough mercury-free dentists advertise in the NYT - relative to plastic surgeons and toxic dentists.
— Posted by Reilly
2008
10:50 pm
I agree with Tom Barrister.
And even if it is unfair, most of us measure people’s socioeconomic class with teeth, weight, and language.
— Posted by Claudia
2008
11:02 pm
I’ve heard from many different ‘experts’ via dif. media over the years the same rather profound statement: “teeth are one’s easiest fix”. My hairdresser compounded this when she added, ” hair and teeth are musts, because one can’t cover like can one’s butt!”.
My additional thought is: I have been living in Europe the last 4 years, and was shocked to move home and notice everyone seems to have an ultra-white smile! I’ve decided that while some people go overboard (my friends call too, too white teeth, “Regis-White” teeth), I like this trend.
Thanks for this blurb.
— Posted by Janet
2008
11:23 pm
I would be interested in hearing more about the data source that claims that women’s attractiveness makes less of an impact on wealth. Does this data come from individual income, by any chance, instead of household income? If that is the case, one should probably consider that wealthy women become full-time moms more often (because they can afford that privilege) and accept part-time jobs, nonprofit jobs, etc (for the same reason). I am from a very wealthy area and I noticed this all the time. In fact, a disproportionate number of women from my neighborhood made their jobs “looking good” via fitness classes, shopping, plastic surgery, etc. This seemed to me to be a big part of the value they added to the household just as a man’s income was the value that he added.
— Posted by Shannon
2008
11:56 pm
Re: Women being asked, required, demanded to smile: it happens all the time, all women hate it–so gentlemen, please take note: DO NOT TELL WOMEN TO SMILE, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY ARE PERFECT STRANGERS.
— Posted by Janie Jones
2008
11:59 pm
Ben of #63 above:
I’ve seen a few patients with severe tetracycline-induced tooth discolorations — they stated they took tetracycline as long term therapy for severe acne or ear infections in childhood.
Tetracycline is incorporated into the bone and teeth during development — and thus the teeth appear darker with grey or brown bands, depending on the age when one took tetracycline for several months.
Before you try for the expensive veneers, first try the bleaching method with custom made trays. Most dentists will say “use every day for two weeks” — but with my patients, I suggest for *four to six months* — it takes time for the bleaching solution to work its way deeper into the discolored dentin. I caution, though, you shouldn’t use over-the-counter products as they are of a weaker concentration of peroxide; the ones with higher concentrations are only obtainable through a dentist as they require a dentist’s prescription and oversight.
Visit your dentist! One would need to be carefully evaluated first to treat all decay and conditions, and then go for the whitening process. You might also need to take a toothpaste geared for sensitive teeth, during your bleaching process, as most people who have undergone have complained of sensitivity, but that will subside with time, after bleaching is completed.
My patients who underwent 4 to 6 months’ of bleaching were delighted with their results, and even more delighted to have escaped expensive dental work such as veneers or crowns.
Best of luck,
Christopher Lehfeldt, DDS
— Posted by Christopher Lehfeldt
2008
12:05 am
Height and Income:
There could be another factor. It could be that taller children come from higher income families and that the increase in self-esteem comes not from height but from social status.
I had a shoe factory and we sold larger sizes to the more expensive stores where the more well-to-do shopped.
— Posted by Charles Smith
2008
12:15 am
I had perfect teeth until a bike accident last year where I knocked out two of them. This came at probably the worst time: College graduation. I didn’t get one call back at any interview I had despite my 3.7 gpa. So teeth are worth more then my degree, go figure.
— Posted by The World is Unfair
2008
12:16 am
Ahem,
Tom Cruise, short but nice smile, highest paid Hollywood actor;
Napoleon, short, ruled France and waged wars
— Posted by Kin
2008
12:39 am
So, Poster no. 26: You actually would refuse to rent an apartment to someone with a tattoo, because it doesn’t look good in public? Do you parade your tenants around in public for community approval? That’s not only meanspirited, it’s crazy also. What a shame that you have the economic power to exercise your prejudices over others.
— Posted by Sarah
2008
12:48 am
Just to take issue with one element of the article — a cleft palate is hardly trivial. It is highly disfiguring, but relatively easy to correct. To dismiss it as “trivial” is to possibly deprive the children of poor countries the possibility of getting the procedure done.
And on the flouride issue: I grew up without it, and have horrible teeth as a result. My beloved, flouridated children are in their late teens and have no cavities. Those who decry the presence of flouride in their water seem to have entirely forgotten what it was like to have teeth full of cavities!
— Posted by miriz
2008
1:08 am
You’re a rabid anti-dentite! Oh, it starts with a few jokes and some slurs. “Hey, denty!” Next thing you know you’re saying they should have their own schools.
— Posted by Cosmo Kramer
2008
2:01 am
Attributing the higher earnings of women who grew up with fluoride to the beauty factor, is simplistic. I grew up just as fluoride was being introduced, and in my experience, the pre-fluoride and post-fluoride groups all look more or less the same. The HUGE difference is in the number of fillings they have. Amalgam fillings, which means mercury.
Comparing the earnings of people with fewer and more fillings would be an excellent study option, to help solve the mercury controversy.
— Posted by Jorgen Klaveness
2008
2:21 am
Hm… While I find the findings from various citations to be very interesting, I have one basic questions though: How do the various papers define “beauty” or “ugly”? Do they really have the same definitions, as to make any comparisons meaningful?
While there are some “general observations” which some cultures consider as more beautiful (eg. bigger eyes in Asia), that is not necessarily true in the Western culture when long slender eyes shows traditional oriental beauty. And then there is the tendency in Japan to find girls with teeth not lined up straight, as beautiful. You would not find that to be considered pretty in any other culture.
One thing that Dubner found surprising, but it should come as not surprising at all, is the “ugly factor” for women to be smaller than men’s. One should realize that women have much more room to use make-ups, whereas men don’t. So, it’s not unusual to have a woman who is born very average or even ugly, to turn from an ugly duckling into the white swan as she masters cosmetics.
As to the argument that taller people are smarter, my gut tells me, I don’t buy it. But I perfectly agree that taller people tend to come out more confidently, and confidence has a way to meet (and grow) on itself.
— Posted by tiddle
2008
3:06 am
Last year I had a bicycle accident in which I broke one tooth and knocked out the other front tooth entirely.
It took me 10 months to get the fake tooth put in because of all the expenses. (if you add up all the bills its over $10,000 of E.R. and oral surgery, dental work)
BlueCross/BlueShield denied my $2000 oral surgery claim.
They deemed it wasn’t inhibiting my ability to eat / live.
My office dental plan only covers the first $1,000 per year.
I had to wait until the next calendar year for the plan to start again to have the final crown put on.
Now I can smile in public again.
If I didn’t have insurance I would never have been able to afford it and I would probably still be on unemployment.
However, I still owe my nice local family dentist $500.
* note:
I’m lucky to work for a great company that has a full coverage “supplemental insurance” (Virtually unheard of)
The VP wrote an email to the “supplemental insurance” company and they cut me a check for the $2000 that my parents had to float on a credit card for the oral surgery.
**I still ride my bike. :-D
— Posted by fake_tooth
2008
3:07 am
With respect to the disparity in effect of beauty between males and females on income, could it simply be that very beautiful women don’t have to work, while more attractive men ill still work, let’s call this the”trophy wife” phenomenon. This could hold even for women with high levels of education — see Eliot Spitzer’s wife for example. Beautiful women may have a wider choice of mates and may pick those with high status or income that permit the woman the choice to work or not and to not be concerned about the income from the work even if chosen (volunteer social causes for socialites.) Less attractive women, unable to choose as wealthy mates may, in this economy of two income families, have to work. Men, societally valued for their ability to generate income, may be more likely to maximize the earning potential of looks. This might be tested by looking those who are married and seeing what correlation there is between the woman’s looks and aggregate household income as, in some sense, a proxy for the earning power of women’s looks.
Perhaps the study cited corrected for this.
— Posted by observer
2008
3:09 am
So I’m short (5′4-on a good day) does that mean that I am less intelligent than a taller person? Well, I guess I’ll just give up on my dreams now and start working the double shift at the local KFC. What baloney, shesh!
— Posted by Sophie G.
2008
3:55 am
A note from the “third world”. We always look at the health of a goat’s teeth before we purchase it. Paradoxically, most of our business leaders and politicians have most of their teeth missing. No doubt owing to the fights they had to get where they are. A half of the rest of us poor folk have beautiful copper teeth (fluorosis).
— Posted by Peter from Kenya
2008
4:07 am
While I support the efforts of Smile Train to repair cleft deformities, from a purely economic perspective, wouldn’t their efforts and donations be more useful if they were given to organizations that promote intake of folic acid in prenatal care? There has been extensive research demonstating that adequate injestion of folic acid in the first three months of pregnancy not only helps prevent oral-facial clefts, but also neural deformities like spina bifida. The expense of producing and promoting forms of folic acid that could be taken in a pill or dietary form to potential mothers in populations that don’t have access to it would be smaller than bringing large groups of medical staff and families together in remote locations to prefotm these surgeries. Prevention is also much more humane and less dangerous than performing sugery after the fact.
As far as height of women and men being corelated to higher status/better paying jobs, I think that unless one were a basketball player, there would be a certain point at which one’s height would decrease any status gained by being tall. This is particularly true for women.
— Posted by Joan Bartos
2008
7:35 am
Just a word to everyone out there bleaching their teeth. This fad is implicated in a disastrous dental condition known as “external resorption” which can require the complete removal of affected teeth. Take it from one who knows, firsthand. And my bleaching was supervised by a dentist at all times, for what that’s worth. If I had to do it over again, I most certainly wouldn’t.
— Posted by Mike C.
2008
8:36 am
From the wife of a dentist — take care of your teeth. I can’t tell you how many times my husband has had patients put off care, until extreme pain brought them back to his door.
“If only they had taken care of this earlier,” my husband would say. “They’d be looking at a filling instead of a root canal.”
Concerning the impact of “good teeth” — most people feel more confident when their smile is at its best. If you won’t smile because you’re ashamed of your teeth (and many people are in this position), that’s a quality of life issue, and should be addressed.
And, finally, a plug for dentists. They have a very stressful job. Most of them are honest and just trying to do what’s right for their patients.
— Posted by Nancy
2008
9:49 am
Great! I just asked my dentist about fixing my teeth, and he said, “Honestly, for what we’d be able to do, the expense and pain wouldn’t be worth it.” I know my teeth make a bad first impression, but I guess I’ll just have to smile gamely and keep on finding people who’ll look past them. In some ways, I’m grateful for how my teeth help me figure out who judges people primarily on their looks.
If my ship ever comes in, though, I’ll probably see a couple of cosmetic dentists and see if I can find one who’s worked on serious cases like mine, is honest about what he/she can do, and thinks the results would be worthwhile. I can hope!
— Posted by Heron
2008
9:55 am
Not everyone who has ugly teeth grew up poor or ignorant. My discolored, uneven teeth are that way as a result of medications and genetics. Braces can only do so much, and cosmetic procedures are expensive and not guaranteed to last.
— Posted by Heron
2008
6:09 pm
This is a great conversation. I must qualify. I am a cosmetic dentist. I am in my 14th year of private practice, have been trained at one of the world’s formost cosmetic dentistry training institutions, I’ve written articles on cosmetic dentistry and I’ve bee