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When writing my Security Tutorials for www.asp.net, I often wrote sentences like the following: “To log in to the site, ...” Although sometimes I'd write it, “To log into the site, ...” and other times I'd use, “To login to the site...”

I can't say with certainty whether any one of these three are grammatically correct or if any are grammatically incorrect. My guess is that in the sentence above, “To login to the site...” is incorrect because, according to Dictionary.com, log in is a verb, while login is a noun. In other words, you would only use the word login in a sentence like, “Your login is comprised of a username, password, and PIN.“ That leads me to believe that the correct form is, “To log in to the site,“ but I'm sure someone out there can make a case for “To log into...“

In any case, I should have picked a particular approach and used it throughout, rather than varying the styles throughout the tutorial series. If it's any consolation, I assure you that the variance was done on a purely subconscious level.

All that being said, what do you prefer?

  • To log in to the site...
  • To log into the site...
  • To login to the site...

The more I read it and think about it, I believe the latter one to be grammatically incorrect.

Another thing I noticed is that when I read them there is a very subtle pronounciation difference among the three sentences, although I don't know how clearly that difference translates into the spoken word. When pronouncing login I run the “g” and “in” together, like I'm speaking 1.5 syllables instead of two. Log in to are pronounced as three distinct words with a briefest of pauses between each, whereas log into is pronounced as two distinct words: “log” and “into,” with no pause between “in” and “to” (again, almost as if blurring the two words together into 1.5 syllables).

posted on Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:04 PM

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# re: Random Grammar/Style Question 6/26/2008 4:29 PM Jeff Handley

In my opinion, "log in to" is the only correct form. As you pointed out, "login" is a noun, so that flavor is clearly incorrect. And because "log in" is the verb, then you cannot use "log into" as that would make "log" the verb, which has a different meaning.

# re: Random Grammar/Style Question 6/26/2008 4:40 PM Jacob

While it's easier to defend "log in to", I prefer "log into" for purely visual/aesthetic reasons. Since we're using English, I don't have a problem warping rules to my own preferences (an attitude only reinforced by my English degree), so I'd go with "log into" in your place.

# re: Random Grammar/Style Question 6/27/2008 12:09 AM Ian

If I am honest it doesn't really make a difference. I read the tutorials to learn stuff not critique grammar! :-)

# My opinion 6/27/2008 12:13 AM Andrei Rinea

I agree, you can't use a noun as a verb

# re: Random Grammar/Style Question 6/27/2008 5:30 PM Alek Davis

According to "Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications" (see http://faculty.washington.edu/farkas/TC407/MSTP-V3.pdf):

"Use log on or log on to (not log onto) to refer to creating a user session on a computer or a network. Use log off or log off from to refer to ending a user session on a computer or a network. Use sign in and sign out to refer to creating and ending a user session on the Internet. Do not use log in, login, log onto, log off of, logout, sign off, or sign on unless these terms appear in the user interface.
The verb form is two words, log on or log off. As a noun or adjective, use one word, no
hyphen: logon or logoff."

Hope this helps.

# re: Random Grammar/Style Question 6/27/2008 7:38 PM Paul Gallagher

I think the best answer is "none of the above"!

Robert Hoekman has a convincing argument against the "login/log in/log into" syndrome in one of his books (I think "designing the moment"). Besides the grammatical confusion, for most people "log" has no meaning (if there ever was one, it is lost in time).

The better suggestion is "sign in", since it avoids any grammatical confusion, and the act of "signing" has an a useful real world meaning for most users.

# re: Random Grammar/Style Question 6/30/2008 4:38 PM Martin

IMHO "sign in" would be interpreted as "register".

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