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    Ok. So some topics with this has been talked to death, and I’ve covered some elements of it before. But I wanted to cover it a bit more in depth. We’re not talking in terms of “how to frontpage” or any of that. This entry is about how to have the articles you submit to a social news site actually rank in the search engines. There is such a thing as a “power profile” that has nothing to do with frontpaging.

    Link Juice Flows Internally Too
    I hesitate to use the word “pagerank”, since it’s frequently something that’s misunderstood. For the sake of this, it’s important to realize that Pagerank really is just a numerical representation of the strength/quantity of inbound links into a page. Now, most people think of this in terms of links from outside sites into your own. This is partially true, but a lot of the link juice that hits a page is actually a result of other pages within the same site linking in.

    So What Does this Mean for Social Media Sites?
    Ok. So a truly powerful profile has to have as many internal links going to it as possible, since there’s realistically not going to be a lot of external links going to it.
    So how is this achieved?

    1. By Voting up the Front Page -  The articles and whatnot that reach the frontpage are the most successful articles at that time obviously. As such, they’re gaining link juice from first of all the frontpage. Second of all, they are the most likely to have people linking to them. Third, there’s a lot of RSS feeds that people put on their blogs of sites like Digg, so they’re gaining juice from that.
      By voting for these successful articles, you show up in the “Who Voted For This” section of the page. That drives an extraordinary amount of link juice to your profile.
      How much juice? Well, based primarily on internal link juice, take a look at the profile of MrBabyMan (a digg power user). While he’s gained a lot of external links lately due to digg drama, remember PR hasn’t been updated since all that started. So pre-drama, his profile was a PR 7. And while he submitted a lot of the articles as well, remember that everyone who voted for the articles got links back to their profiles as well, worth just as much as his. So such a result can be achieved by simply voting.
    2. Intelligent Tagging
      I’ve covered this before, so I’ll just briefly re-hash it. Essentially, different tags on social media sites have different amounts of link juice based primarily on how many successful articles have used that tag as well. So by checking PR the popular tags when you submit articles, and using the most powerful, that article becomes more powerful(and with it your profile). Now, that said, the optimal tags are ones with successful articles, but without a huge amount being submitted on a daily basis. This keeps your article from getting bumped back to older pages on the tag article list.

    Why The Hell Would I Care if my Profile has a lot of Link Power?
    Think about it. If we’re trying to rank for a term and cannot(or it will take awhile), the best way to handle this is to have a standin page(like digg) ranking up and leading to your site. If you have a powerful profile in terms of links, you can pass a lot of that juice back to any article you submit since it shows up on your profile page. Nice, easy ranking.

    A Bit of Blackhat Fun
    So most blackhats(that I know) have at some point played with the idea of generating massive amounts of profiles on social sites to further their interests. Some places(like Digg) have cracked down pretty hard on this practice, but that’s not to say it’s impossible. If you get around certain issues like similar IPs and whatnot, it’s entirely possible to form miniature, 100% internal link farms by friending eachother.
    Example:

    • Let’s say we have 12 digg profiles. All of these are running an automatic script not to submit comments or stories, but just to vote. Each day for several months, each profile votes for 25% of the front page, and 25% of the “Most Popular in Upcoming” sections. So they all have a substantial number of internal links pointing to them.
    • Not wanting to risk losing one of our powerful profiles, we then create a spammy profile, and add it as a friend to all or most of our other profiles. If we have more friends than just that spammy profile, we shouldn’t have to worry about them detecting it. The important part however, is that the spammy profile shows up under “Friends” on our digg profile without having to click any other links (Like “View all Friends”)
    • As if by magic, that spammy profile suddenly has a LOT of link juice flowing into it. And with that, so do all articles submitted from it. And so they rank. Awesome, eh?

    -XMCP

    PS: As always with social articles, I will do my disclaimer. None of these tactics are ever used with anything relating to this blog. This blog is promoted entirely whitehat, even in regards to social media.

    15 Responses to “Social Media Power: Success Without the Frontpage”

    1. Gyutae Park says:

      XMCP,
      Great tips! Never really looked at social media that way.

      It doesn’t seem to apply to Sphinn though as the profile pages are not indexed.

    2. Internet Marketing Badger (Jennifer) says:

      Thanks for the great explanation – I always find page rank a little confusing, especially when it comes to getting a ranking on a social site profile.

      “Link juice flows internally too” — you’re absolutely right. This works well on Squidoo, for instance, where if you join some of the Squidoo groups and get people to start voting for your lens you can get great page rank for your lens all of a sudden. Even just a handful of votes can make a huge difference and take a page rank 1 Squidoo lens to three almost overnight.

      Internet Marketing Badger aka Jennifer

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    4. Frank says:

      Nice technique and well explained too thanks. Does this technique improve the time it takes for your site to get indexed, if it were a target of one of the articles submitted say?

    5. Andy Beard says:

      Recent evidence I have written about recently suggests that Propeller is absolutely killing Digg as a platform for spammy profiles due to all the subdomains and linking structure.

    6. Igor The Troll says:

      Shady you are a riot to read!

      Why bother buying links when you can Spam social media networks with your link farms!

      This is too easy, but it is unethical, that is if you think ethics.

      I offer an alternative solution, why not contribute to a bunch of social networks and you will be able to get links to your sites.

      You do get rewarded when you participate in the community.

      Maybe Shady will give me a DoFollow for every comment? LOL

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    8. Oliver Taco says:

      Exactly!

      The trick, if one wants to use Digg as part of your business as opposed to a hobby, is to easily be able to perform analytics and automate where possible.

      Shameless self promotion alert: we have an ongoing beta of a Social Suite tool with Digg Analytics and Automation. Go to our site and drop me an email if you’d like to try it.

      -OT

    9. Wade says:

      It is nice to read up on the dark side of things. Though I am not into social sites, I do submit some of my own stronger posts. I still feel that paying for advertising on a few large sites is the best way to get your site going forward. As long as your site is ready to make money off traffic, you can then use the money you made to make up costs,or buy more advertising.

      Shudogg Dot Com – Make Money Online Blogging

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    13. Minneapolis Web Design says:

      Sounds interesting but how would you “run automatic scripts” on 12 profiles? Would this be something you had to create custom for each user submitted news site or just Digg? Not that I want to do this but I am interested in how people can manipulate this sort of content.

    14. admin says:

      @Minneapolis Web Design:
      A server with multiple IPs, proxies that haven’t been abused shitless, or Wi-Fi hopping, and a cron job set to vote for say 6 random stories on the front page of digg.
      Anything that can be done by a human online can be done by a bot. Loading the home page, parsing out needed values, and registering the vote using CURL(simulating the JS execution pretty much).
      For that matter, you could just get windows macro software that automatically scrolls and clicks.

      Digg is exceptionally good at finding manipulation, so it is a pretty complicated setup. For other things like say mixx or propeller? It wouldn’t be near as hard. For propeller I suspect even frequently abused proxies would work fine.

    15. Minneapolis Web Design says:

      Wow. Thanks so much for the info. I really enjoy the site and it’s amazing to hear about some of the technology people use behind the scenes.

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