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Not Our Kind of Rich? Is Edwards Becoming The Anti-Establishment Candidate?

One of the "issues," and what a sad commentary on our political discourse, has been what is the right kind of "wealthy" for a Presidential candidate. Michael Bloomberg set the hearts of the Broderists aflutter and one of his main claims to fame is being, well, a billionaire. This is not seen as a problem for Bloomberg. Indeed, absent being a billionaire, Blooomberg would not even be discussed.

John Edwards, on the other hand, is by comparison, only modestly rich, with his net worth estimated at somewhere between 35 and 50 million dollars. What is the difference? I wonder how much of it is revealed in this Matt Yglesias post about Edwards' supposedly "tacky" mansion in North Carolina (I've never seen an image of the house so I have no opinion on its "tackiness" Update [2007-6-25 22:55:34 by Big Tent Democrat]: Alien Abductee brought us this link to images of the Edwards "compound":

I read Jay Cost's argument that John Edwards is an amateurish politician. It turns out to focus heavily on criticizing him for building such an enormous house. I know there's a pretty widespread sentiment that this huge house will be politically damaging, but that seems like a mistake to me. The basic reality is that Edwards is a rich man, and there's no hiding that -- big house or small house. Edwards' giant house, however, is not just expensive -- it's tacky. Its tackiness, however, perfectly reflects Edwards' working class roots and his whole "son of a millworker" narrative. I would never in a million years build a house like that no matter how much money I had, but that's because I'm a snob and nobody would ever vote for me.

This reminds me of no one so much as Bill Clinton circa 1992 and during his Presidency. The Washington Establishment never liked the Clintons because, as far as I could see, they were nouveau powerful and, in the minds of the Beltway, tacky. Sort of like they feel about the blogs. More.

Remember the pronouncements of Sally Quinn and all the Beltway Gasbags about "their town?" I wonder if John Edwards is suffering from some of the same thing.

And as I think it through, I think Yglesias is getting at a point, but does not articulate it -- to wit, Edwards is really primed to fully play the "outsider" role. His pushback on the NYTimes today really seems to show that Edwards is realizing this possibility:

The whole Washington establishment wants our campaign to go away, because they know that John Edwards means the end to business as usual. The Washington lobbyists and PACs don't want us to win because John is the only candidate who has never taken money from them. [this is true, by the way - Barack Obama used to take money from PACs, and Hillary's never stopped] The political mercenaries and the chattering class don't want us to win because they can't imagine a president who doesn't play by their rules. And you can bet that the big corporate interests — from the insurance companies to the drug companies to the oil companies — don't want us to win because John has been taking on special interests his entire life. So they attack him — personally. It's classic — they don't want the American people to hear the message, so they attack the messenger. They call him a hypocrite because he came from nothing, built a fortune while standing up for regular people during some of their toughest times, and — heaven forbid! — he has the nerve to remember where he came from and still care passionately about guaranteeing every family the opportunities he had to get ahead.

It is rather amazing that the candidate who co-sponsored the Iraq War Resolution, ran as a Vice Presidential Candidate and is the type of Southerner that the DLC-types have argued for is now, apparently, the outsider, anti-Washington Establishment, populist in the race.

The post Yglesias links to decries Edwards as a "terrible politician." I have to say that this seems a myopic view of the matter. Edwards has a chance in this race against all odds really. The Clinton juggernaut and the new Natural, Obama, should have a two way race. But Edwards is clearly at least viable. And if Bill Richardson's pollster is telling the truth, more than viable:

The poll of 500 likely Iowa caucus-goers was conducted for the Richardson campaign by Fairbank, Maslin, Maullin and Associates June 18-20 and has a margin of error of + 4.4%.

. . . Here are the results to the question "If the caucuses were held today, who would you support?" (likely caucus-goers)

John Edwards 34%
Hillary Clinton 24%

Barack Obama 17%

Bill Richardson 13%

Joe Biden 2%

Dennis Kucinich 2%

Chris Dodd 0%

Other 1%
Don't Know/NA 8%

Here are the results to the same question, broken out among "likeliest" caucus-goers (representing just over 40% of the sample -- voters who attended the 2004 caucuses, voted in the 2006 primary, and say they are definite to attend next year's caucus)

John Edwards 31%

Hillary Clinton 23%

Bill Richardson 18%

Barack Obama 16%

Joe Biden 3%

Dennis Kucinich 2%

Chris Dodd 0%

Other 1%

Don't Know/NA 8%

And now John Edwards gets to run as the anti-Washington candidate too? I tell you what, I think it is becoming pretty clear that the BEST politician in the race appears to be John Edwards.

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    Nothing to gain by brown-nosing NYT (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by fairleft on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 08:42:03 PM EST
    and the WaPost. They're not going to like the Dem candidate no matter what in 2008. So you can't do the wishful thinking thing (like Gore did in 2000), and you can't do nothing, you have to run against the 'right-wing media elite' (or something like that). Most Americans will love that theme, they are not fans of the mainstream media, and not at all of New York or Washington anything.

    Couple Things (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Stewieeeee on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 08:53:08 PM EST
    Clinton was a gov. from Arkansas.  so they were the real deal outsiders.  now of course, they are the uber-insiders.

    Edwards, as a senator, already spent 6 years in washington.  i'm sure he knows how things work.  which isn't necessarily a bad thing, could be a good thing.  so he's been on the inside is well versed in the rhetoric of the inside, and now cultivates the outsider status he now enjoys in the blogosphere.

    clintons became successful with a moderate message.  a reaction to the overly liberal dem candidates of the past.

    edwards, should he become successful, will do so with a message that regards moderation as weakness.

    his speaches and press releases are literally written by bloggers.  open a blog, read a diary.  then see an edwards press release, and there it is just like what you just read on the blog.

    he is therefore the ultimate threat to anyone who regards blogs as a threat to their livelihood (consultants, journalists, etc.)

    if you're a blogger, there can be no other candidate.  the edwards campaign now has the same importance to the future of the movement as did the lamont campaign did last year.


    Oh please... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by BlueCollarHeresy on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:22:59 PM EST
    if you're a blogger, there can be no other candidate.  the edwards campaign now has the same importance to the future of the movement as did the lamont campaign did last year.

    Get off your bloody high horse already.  There is no blogging "movement", and everyone that thinks there is doesn't understand the very nature of blogs.  We're disparate voices and opinions and while many people may share many views nobody is beholden to any interests (save their own).  

    I'm a blogger and Edwards is just another candidate to me.  He may be more to you, but please quit putting words in my mouth...

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    I like edwards, I despise groupthink on (none / 0) (#20)
    by seabos84 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:38:14 PM EST
    ... anything?

    well, unless you want to be a devout atheist, like me ...

    rmm.

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    the movment in question (none / 0) (#21)
    by Stewieeeee on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 12:21:26 AM EST
    i'm referring to whatever it is that one attempts to describe in books like "crashing the gates."

    yes.  it's one thing i've learned about blogs.  you can never say one thing about them because they're just big enough that someone will always be there to say, "not it's not, i'm a blogger too, and i don't agree."

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    I completely agree ... (none / 0) (#46)
    by Sailor on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 05:39:13 PM EST
    ... with this part:
    We're disparate voices and opinions and while many people may share many views nobody is beholden to any interests (save their own).
    And except for the "beholden to any interests" part it describes Dems.

    The republican machine won (partially) because they marched in lockstep ... kinda like another party I could mention;-)

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    I support Chris Dodd (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:02:35 PM EST
    Um, (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:06:19 PM EST
    if you're a blogger, there can be no other candidate.
    Oh really?

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    I agree that Edwards should be (none / 0) (#22)
    by dkmich on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 05:39:59 AM EST
    "the" netroots' candidate.  Unlike Hillary and Obama, he isn't running against us. He is the only one who is courting the netroots.  Imagine supporting someone who actually gives a sh*t what we think. That would be novel.

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    "Nouveau" rich (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by OkieFromMuskogee on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 09:15:25 AM EST
    You said it.  Not "our kind of rich" means "nouveau" rich.  It means that Edwards wasn't born rich.  It's classism, pure and simple.

    Edwards talks proudly about how his father worked every day at the mill.  Conservatives can't stand that kind of story.  For all their blather about the "American Dream," they really can't stand to see someone crashing their party.  It's even worse if it's someone who wants to help others crash it.  This is the source of a lot of their hatred for the Clintons.

    Remember how they called FDR "a traitor to his class?"

    I agree (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 08:33:49 PM EST
    If only because he's got so many otherwise-astute people convinced that this fairly conservative former Senator is now suddenly a populist firebreather.

    I think he's trying to present himself as Harry Truman.

    I was thinking RFK, myself. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:01:17 PM EST
    JRE has gone from a conservative Democratic hawk to the liberal progressive Democratic candidate. To me, that is Bobby.

    There is a politican out there with one political parallel to HST and I don't mean "Give em hell Howard".

    A candidate pulls out a come from behind re-election win in a tight race by driving his opponent's negatives higher than his own and by doing so by completely alianates the oppostion party to the point he cannot govern after winning re-election. What missing is the 4 way race.

    I am not going to mention names, cause I don't want to sully Harry. I do recommend you read The Last Campaign.



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    Yes (none / 0) (#8)
    by Alien Abductee on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:15:14 PM EST
    Yglesias certainly seems to be answering this criticism directed at Edwards:

    when you run for political office - you must conform your life to your political message as much as you are able. You must be the embodiment of the message that you are selling.

    What else could the outsider in the race be but nouveau riche, since he has to be riche of some sort to even run?

    Picture of Edwards' house here. Looks biiiiig all right.

    Great response from him to the NYT/AP attacks.


    At least (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:37:53 PM EST
    he won't have to go buy a fake ranch if he wins.  

    Wonder what they use the four story red tower for.

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    What do you think Edwards has done for (5.00 / 4) (#14)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 10:07:58 PM EST
    his entire pre-politics professional career?

    You note this:

    when you run for political office - you must conform your life to your political message as much as you are able. You must be the embodiment of the message that you are selling.

    That is what plaintiffs' trial lawyers, which Edwards was, have to do.  Speaking as someone who has spent over a decade primarily on the plaintiff's side of the civil litigation bar, I can tell you two things about it:

    - if you don't believe in your case, you shouldn't be there (and you shouldn't have taken the case)
    - if you are insincere, a jury will know that within the first five or ten minutes.

    Or, as the wise man said:  "what you are screams so loudly, I cannot hear a word you're saying."

    To make, as Edwards did, twenty or thirty or fifty million dollars for himself as a plaintiff's PI attorney - and that's after his clients got their two-thirds and the expensive expert witnesses, and the overhead (spelled s-u-p-p-o-r-t s-t-a-f-f, r-e-n-t, e-t-c.) - tells me all I need to know about his sincerity, good sense, business sense, and belief in law.  And all it tells me is good.

    The issue too many people appear to have is not that Edwards isn't conforming his life to his political message.  Rather, what they don't (or can't or won't) grasp is that he is conforming his political message to his life and to whom and what he is.  

    It's like the vignette from The Gulag Archipelago.  The zeks had rioted and taken over a camp complex, and driven out their guards for a week or so.  It was a complex with some mens' camps and some womens'.  Once order was restored and the guards put back in charge all the women prisoners were forced to undergo OB/GYN exams, which turned up that there had been no hanky-panky going on while the prisoners were in charge and all the gates open.  The guards were shocked that the men and women hadn't taken advantage of the opportunity, to which the women replied (in so many words):  "why do you think we are amoral scum like you are?"  

    The DC Establishment, much of the leadership of both parties, and the majority of the chattering classes like to talk a good game about "The Poor", but they do that not to help "the poor", but rather to give themselves something to do, and a position to take.  They wouldn't know the first thing about real people and their problems and ameliorating them - and they hate Edwards because he does.

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    Note (none / 0) (#15)
    by Alien Abductee on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 10:57:30 PM EST
    the quote Yglesias was responding to was from RCP, a right-wing site.

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    Great post! (none / 0) (#44)
    by CA JAY on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 03:53:41 PM EST
    Edwards is called a hypocrite by those who would never even think of lifting a hand to really help the impverished. The cynics are projecting their own lack of compassion when they state being wealthy/successful is incompatible with caring about the poor.

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    Not glaringly tacky (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:18:12 PM EST
    I think.

    But what do I know?

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    Grecian columns (none / 0) (#10)
    by Alien Abductee on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:23:01 PM EST
    Can't see any from the pic. Sans columns he's probably OK.

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    From Afar, it Looks like a McMansion (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:24:24 PM EST
    I wouldn't buy it, but I'm an urbanite.

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    My very urban nook (none / 0) (#12)
    by Alien Abductee on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 09:35:46 PM EST
    isn't much bigger than his guest room apparently.

    But if he looks like he'll follow through on his talk about overthrowing the status quo, I'd be happy to support him for 08.

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    Thanks for your thoughts (none / 0) (#18)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:23:34 PM EST
    but please read the comment rules for this site about language.

    Ok if vowels are *m*tt*d ? (none / 0) (#23)
    by dkmich on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 05:41:40 AM EST
    Good thing that isn't Gore's property. Look (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 25, 2007 at 11:27:18 PM EST
    where oh so many trees are missing.  

    If Edwards has been running the smartest (none / 0) (#24)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 08:35:27 AM EST
    campaign and Obama the dumbest, then Edwards might as well fold his tent up now, considering that Obama is cleaning his clock in Edwards's own state of birth, South Carolina.

    Obama can only get better and more partisan, and Edwards can only run away from his record and accomplishments.

    Interestingly (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 11:08:06 AM EST
    Obama is focused on Iowa now.

    He is smarter than you on this.

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    Obama is smarter than I am on just (none / 0) (#32)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 12:59:39 PM EST
    about everything.

    My point is that if he's ran a relatively poor campaign thus far and Edwards has run a very good campaign thus far, the fact that Edwards is behind him nationally by ten points in polls and by a factor of 2-3 in Q2 fundraising doesn't bode well for Edwards at all.  

    Btw, when's the last time an anti-Establishment figure got the Democratic nomination?  

    John Kerry--DLC
    Al Gore--DLC/Incumbent VP
    Bill Clinton--DLC
    Michael Dukakis--Zzzzzzz
    Walter Mondale--Mr. Democratic Establishment

    I guess Jimmy Carter was something of an anti-Establishment candidate, but he wasn't facing this level of competition.


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    Of course (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:05:23 PM EST
    Obama had the better chance. Clinton has the best chance.

    By your logic, Obama should fold up his tent given the fact that he has lost significant ground in the polls to Clinton despite all the favorable press and the money raising.

    Obama has gotten smart because he needs to perform in Iowa. And now he needs to roll up his sleeves and fight there.

    Edwards has a chance because he can win Iowa. If loses there, he's done.

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    Obama is still in the brand-building (none / 0) (#41)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:36:35 PM EST
    stage of his campaign.  Hillary's lead is comprised of low information voters, who aren't really going to pay attention no matter what.

    Though she's not 'inevitable' Hillary is still the heavy, heavy favorite here.  Her edge amongst women voters is going to be very tough to overcome for anyone.

    Edwards is like a team that's a game out of first place with one game left--he needs to win and then get some help.  

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    Well, I wasn't born rich and am not rich. (none / 0) (#26)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 09:21:24 AM EST
    But, that house is not what I would build with that kind of money.  A recreation barn?  Beer budget, champagne taste.  Alas.

    Don't you mean the reverse? (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 11:08:57 AM EST
    No, I have the beer budget. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:00:38 PM EST
    Well, okay it's a microbrew budget instead of a Budweiser budget, but it still isn't a bottle of Dom.

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    I thought you meant Edwards has the Champagne (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:29:37 PM EST
    budget but beer taste in architecture.  Or is that just my opinion?  Red barn recreational bldg.  Faux farm?

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    He has a champagne budget. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Geekesque on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:43:43 PM EST
    Taste?  Maybe Mad Dog or Night Train.

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    Oh well. I suppose he likes country (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:49:36 PM EST
    music too.

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    He's got 102 Acres (none / 0) (#45)
    by jerry on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 04:18:38 PM EST
    What is wrong with the recreation barn that contains recreation facilities as well as a bedroom, kitchen and a stage?

    That it should conform to your conception of what a recreation facility should look like?

    Or that a barn should hold horses and not people?

    How many other properties are in the area with land that don't have barns, or stables, or offices, workshops, studios?

    The total square footage is 28,000 feet with most of that in the barn.  How much square feet do most pools and basketball courts take?  Are you saying he is rich but he should not have a pool? Or that pool must be outside?

    His home is about 10,000 square foot, with a significant amount of that in the covered passageway to the barn.  I don't live in South Carolina, does it rain or snow there?

    I've seen quite a few 3500 to 5500 square foot homes advertised in the city I live in.  A 10,000 square foot home is big, but not overly big.

    And who cares?  What is the big deal?

    Are we Democrats really upset when people do well?

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    You're getting confused (none / 0) (#27)
    by tommyg on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 09:26:52 AM EST
    between national and state polls.
    Richardson is close to mocing ahead of Edwards nationally on the strength of his fundraising.
    He's close to moving ahead of Obama in Iowa (though I don't really believe it.  It's his own poll and he only gets the lead when he fudges the numbers).

    Maybe it has something to do with (none / 0) (#30)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 12:24:42 PM EST
    how Edwards made his money?

    Whatever do you mean by that? (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 12:57:10 PM EST
    You don't think likely voters will embrace a plaintiffs' trial lawyer?

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    There are many likely voters (none / 0) (#35)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:16:48 PM EST
    who see a large distinction between a generic "plaintiffs' trial lawyer" and specifically how Edwards made his money.

    You are certainly not required to agree with that distinction.

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    What specifically are you referring to? (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:23:47 PM EST
    personal injury lawyer (none / 0) (#39)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:31:21 PM EST
    Of course! (none / 0) (#47)
    by Sailor on Wed Jun 27, 2007 at 05:56:56 PM EST
    Taking poor people's cases on contingency when they couldn't afford a lawyer otherwise is just wrong! [/sarcasm]

    Sure, it's a grey area, it goes from ambulance chasing to 'my god, this corporation killed/maimed my husband/wife/father/mother and are screwing us because they can.'

    personal note: suo, we frequently disagree, but I never doubt your sincerity. Please understand the snark is directed at your argument and not you.  

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    ...it's not my argument.

    The reasons I wouldn't vote for him have nothing to do with how how made his money.

    I only point out that, to some, the wealth created by personal injury lawyers is not "our kind of rich."

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    It's not so bad (none / 0) (#36)
    by Joe Bob on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:17:49 PM EST
    After seeing the aerial shot of Edwards' property I have to admit that I don't think it's as bad as people made it out to be, and I say that as a practicing architect. It's certainly not trendsetting in any regard, but if you ask me it looks like a pretty typical design from the country estate mold. I don't think something can be tacky and be bland and unimaginative at the same time.

    You don't? Surprising. Check out (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Tue Jun 26, 2007 at 01:32:26 PM EST
    La Jolla tear downs and faux Florentine Renaissance replacements homes with all the trimmings squeezed onto small lots.  

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