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Clinton Winning Big Among Bowlers In PA

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:04:05 AM EST
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This is funny:

Among bowlers (24% of the electorate) and gun owners (38% of the electorate), Clinton leads big. She's up 54-33 among bowlers and 53-28 among gun owners; There were 13% undec. among bowlers and 17% undec among gun owners.

Heh.

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    Not just "heh" (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:12:52 AM EST
    There were 13% undec. among bowlers and 17% undec among gun owners

    I read this all as good news for Hillary. Let's see what SUSA says next (likely tomorrow).

    Such an informative link for (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:35:03 AM EST
    for those of us flummoxed by crosstabs.  

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    That Obama bowling vid (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by sister of ye on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:29:20 AM EST
    still makes me laugh. I never thought I'd see anyone who is at least as bad a bowler as I am!

    I'd like to see Obama v. Clinton on a hockey rink. Bet she could check him into the boards really hard. I'd also love to see the Red Wings win the cup during her presidency so they can present her a jersey with her name on it. Hey, if Chris Chelios can wear the winged wheel and still be proud to be from Chicago, so can Hillary.

    Woo Hoo...... (none / 0) (#10)
    by michitucky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:35:52 AM EST
    Headed to the Wings game this afternoon...

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    So jealous! (none / 0) (#17)
    by sister of ye on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:41:41 AM EST
    I'll be watching at home, probably on CBC. Not to knock NBC (on hockey coverage, anyway), but CBC treats the Wings as kind of an honorary Canadian team, being Original Six and just across the river and all.


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    Yep...... (none / 0) (#23)
    by michitucky on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:51:14 AM EST
    Since we're at our home in L'ville all this week, we drove to Nashville last night so we could go to the game today!!!  

    I'll be wearing my Hillary 08 tee!!!

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    OMG (none / 0) (#58)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:47:18 AM EST
    I'd like to see Obama v. Clinton on a hockey rink. Bet she could check him into the boards really hard.

    LOL, the mental image of that...I just got an image of his face slapping against the glass and sloooooowly sliding down as he'd been shoved into it  by Hills.  You do know she's a multi-sport gal, right?  She could TOTALLY do it.

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    I guess the question is (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:30:01 AM EST
    will there be more gun owners and bowlers voting in PA on Tuesday than folks outraged at the price of arugula? :)

    beat me by 5 seconds... (none / 0) (#7)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:30:51 AM EST


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    sorry (5.00 / 4) (#8)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:31:27 AM EST
    you need at least ten seconds for it to be a win.  Anything under double digits means you've lost.

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    Absolutely no one (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:41:02 AM EST
    has been more supportive than I have in support of lowering the price of arugula.

    But I am deeply concerned because according to the NYT, organic foods across the board are rising.

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    This is not... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:30:06 AM EST
    a three strikes you're out contest.

    It's a travesty that they didn't poll for arugula eaters or latte drinkers because Obama would have clearly dominated. Obviously NBC didn't want to perpetuate elitist memes.

    How about self-identified 'bitter' and 'clingy' people?

    Are you (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:04:46 PM EST
    bitter that I beat you to the arugula remark by five seconds or just a bitter gun-totin, Churchclinger in general?

    I will be less bitter about the cost of arugula any day now because my leaf lettuce is all ready up on my window sill and the tomato plants will be ready to transplant outside by Memorial Day.

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    just the 5 seconds... (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:25:23 PM EST
    I don't own any guns...I don't go to church and I don't cut my hair, but I can go to movies and see it all there, the way that it used to be...

    Sorry, got carried away.

    It's the arugula baby...and I suspect that you only beat me by 5 seconds because you outspent me on computers by a 4:1 margin.

    Me bitter? Nah...but I am glad that Obama isn't talking about me to wealthy donors in San Francisco because then I would become very bitter.

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    You can also watch (none / 0) (#50)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:29:03 PM EST
    TVLand, by Nickolodeon. I call it the dead actors' channel because most of the people on it are dead. But it does present the '50's and early '60's ideal of American life. None of it was true, but it's nice to dream about.

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    pencil thin moustache's? (none / 0) (#52)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:40:47 PM EST
    that was my reference (as obscure as it might have been)

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    The Boston Blackie kind (none / 0) (#55)
    by badger on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:21:17 PM EST
    which is probably equally obscure, unless there's a lot of Jimmy Buffett fans here.

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    I have an autographed picture (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by misspeach2008 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:52:00 PM EST
    of Andy Devine.  8^)

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    you left out the beer drinkers! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Salo on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:30:14 AM EST
    censor!

    And the little ol' ladies with their nightly wine (none / 0) (#27)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:55:21 AM EST
    No, I am not there yet but I know it happens for fact in more homes than you think. That should be another pollster's question. Those use to be fun polls to answer on line but the problem is that a lot of people cheat on them. Yeah, really. They do. Not me, of course, but people would vote and then proudly proclaim that they voted for so and so to skew up the results. Probably cross over voters too!

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    I hope those bowlers know (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:30:28 AM EST
    that a ten year old hack off the street ruined Obama's game.  Little squirt.  Why, at that age, Obama already had four years of foreign policy creds under his belt!

    no doubt (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by OldCoastie on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:45:52 AM EST
    it was Hillary's fault - she probably planted that kid to make him lose... (/s)

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    Notice that Obama's support (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by FlaDemFem on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:22:57 PM EST
    among bowlers doesn't even get up to his bowling score..snicker.

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    Referring to the foreign policy and early age (none / 0) (#31)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:05:13 PM EST
    I just got an e-mail from a Republican friend noting things BHO has lied about. If only 10 of the 46 items are correct,(ha, if only 5) then the kitchen sink that will be thrown at him in a GE will cream him. I could pass it on but I have not passed on any of the nasty ones either but it would have been so easy to hit forward.  

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    Against Bowling: The dying "sport" (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Salo on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:36:30 AM EST
    Clearly Bowling is yesterday's "sport".  Associated with the 50s values of mom, apple pie, pot bellies and gaudy silk shirts.(uhg) We gotta brush that plebian game off our shoulders and twist the skittles a little.  They are in their element in the darkened alleys and gutters, and this kingpin don't see no future for the game the Bowling rinks (heh) should be closed down and turned into minimarts.

    Can't Wait For The Kos Post That Proclaims (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:41:50 AM EST
    bowlers aren't REAL Dems and should be expelled from the party.

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    Bowling is not yesterday's sport... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:44:51 AM EST
    It is now played on Wii consoles now.

    That's what had Obama so confused...he was wondering how one bowl's without a hand held controller.

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    so, what you are saying is (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:51:29 AM EST
    Wii is the change we have been waiting for?

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    you do realize... (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by white n az on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:29:12 PM EST
    that you blew the line...

    Wii are the ones we've been waiting for.

    Now if only China could ramp up the production so we can have a Wii in every home to hone our bowling skills. Thankfully, China's imports won't be affected by Obama's proposals on NAFTA.

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    I know (none / 0) (#45)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:11:58 PM EST
    I am way off my game today.

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    Vintage (none / 0) (#46)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:16:18 PM EST
    Only problem is bowling is "retro" and "vintage" so, it is cool.  They will get caught in their own cool web.  

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    My husband (none / 0) (#56)
    by misspeach2008 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 03:49:04 PM EST
    grew up in Reading, PA.  He says that it's not bowling.  It's pinball that's the official state game of Pennsylvania.  He wants to know if Obama "tilts" the game.

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    That will teach Obama (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by myiq2xu on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:37:22 AM EST
    to play gutterball.

    Once again, demographics (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:48:04 AM EST
    When it comes down to it, there are more White Bowlers in Penna and more White registered gun owners in PA. Living here, it is quite obvious to the eye. I suspect that Philadelphia would have equal bowlers, but I have not been to the lanes there to see for myself. As for the gun owners, there is a lot of hunting in the fall season. I mention 'registered' because there are probably many unregistered guns also. And, if you are called by a pollster, a stranger who could be anyone, would you say, oh yeah, I am packing right now. Maybe the pollster's question would be, is there a hunter in the house? Am I classified as a bowler because I use to be on a Corp team in California? I have gone bowling once since returning to Penna 7 years ago. A group of us went Midnight bowling and had a fun time. I had about a 145 average in Calif. I got the highest scores that one night and all of those people are voting for Hillary. They are not really bowlers either. So, I would really like to see the exact questions that were asked. Then we might know if the numbers are too high or even possibly too low.

    You're a bowler. I'm a bowler (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Prabhata on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:54:05 AM EST
    I haven't bowled in at least 20 years, but I still have my ball and shoes.  Like you I used to go bowling with my company, but I stopped the fun and beer drinking when I left.  But I know I would get a 150 score with a little practice.

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    Me too. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by BarnBabe on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:14:47 PM EST
    I could bowl a 205 and the next game be a 110 all in one night. Maybe you are right about the beer part. Ha. So, you are right, We are bowlers if we still have a bowling ball in the closet somewhere. But with so many knee injuries I would have to wear all those knee braces and then it is not fun.  

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    She's one of them (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Prabhata on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:50:10 AM EST
    That's hard to beat.  It's a trade. She gets PA; he gets HI.  Great Trade.

    An OUCH of an endorsement of Clinton (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by felizarte on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:05:36 PM EST
    Pittsburgh Tribune Editorial; 4/20/08

    In Pennsylvania's Democrat primary for president: Vote for Clinton

    For Pennsylvania Democrats, the smart choice Tuesday is Mrs. Clinton.

    Mr. Obama's appeal with many Democrats is undeniable. He is the "rock star" of this election year; some supporters at his rallies have fallen into a swoon.

    Those who have endorsed Obama have rhetorically swooned, too, designating him the future of American politics, while denigrating Clinton as a relic of politics past.

    How ironic, since Obama owes no small part of his success to the grooming and support of Chicago's old-line Daley political machine.

    In policy terms, relatively little may separate these two. Obama ranks as one of the most liberal U.S. senators, but Clinton is no conservative. Determining how they differ is difficult, though, because Obama is long on soaring rhetoric yet painfully short on record.

    He has spent just three years in the U.S. Senate. Before that, he spent just eight years as one of 177 state legislators in Illinois. Before that, he was a university lecturer, a community organizer, a civil-rights lawyer.

    Quite simply, this is no portfolio for a president, the world's most powerful leader. The presidency is no place for on-the-job training in the best of times -- and certainly not when the nation is at war, the economy is struggling, and federal governance in general is adrift.

    More disturbing is what seems to be Obama's private view of America.

    Start with the "God damn America" diatribes of his one-time pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (Obama claims he didn't know of these, even though he sat in Wright's church for 20 years.) Add his wife Michelle's remark about being proud of America for the first time in her life only because of her husband's campaign.

    Now we hear Obama himself disdaining small-town, Middle-America attitudes and values -- a "clinging" to God, guns and bigotry -- as a legacy of bitterness.

    Everyone utters stupidities now and then. Yet taken together and uttered repeatedly, they sound like a pattern of thought in the Obama household. It's a pattern the nation can't afford in the White House.

    THERE'S MORE:

    www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_563322.html

    Please, would someone link.  I am having problems doing it.

    Obama questioned his experience and resume. (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Saul on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:28:17 PM EST
    In 2004 Obama said he would not run for the presidency since he felt that your resume must live up to that position.  He felt that his resume was not ready for running for the presidency when he made this statement.

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    Why is that an ouch? (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by americanincanada on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:44:37 PM EST
    She won him over, after having gone into the lion's den. It impresses me greatly. It is also a widely read paper and that endorsement basically said, VOTE FOR HER.

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    ouch to Obama (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:11:44 PM EST
    I read it the way you did initially, too.

    This isn't just a "vote for Clinton" endorsement; it's a scathing indictment against Obama, and points to the holes in his resume that a lot of us here have been yelling about for months now.

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    Nope (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by echinopsia on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:33:08 PM EST
    Obama rules: If Obama wins a conservative endorsement, it proves he appeals to people of all political philosophies and can reach across the aisle and get people to work together.

    If Hillary gets a conservative endorsement, she's a DINO/Lieberman in a pantsuit/Bush Lite.

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    Proves she won over Scaife (none / 0) (#34)
    by smott on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:08:08 PM EST
    ...

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    x (none / 0) (#35)
    by Kathy on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:11:33 PM EST
    LINK

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    Clinton by 30 to35 points (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by drewohio1 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:02:56 PM EST
    HIllary will win Pennslvania by 30% to 35% points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    LOL (none / 0) (#60)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:52:21 AM EST

    That'll be the day.  But it's nice to dream!

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    Obama and basketball (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Stellaaa on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:21:45 PM EST
    Have you guys seen the video of him playing basketball?  He has his shirt tucked into his shorts, now from what I know about young and hip, tucked in is not cool.  

    U r just trying to cause trouble. (none / 0) (#62)
    by oculus on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:39:36 AM EST


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    Do not link to national polls please (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 11:55:45 AM EST
    Especially not to ones from a month ago.

    4 keys to success (none / 0) (#29)
    by OaktownChicken on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:00:24 PM EST
    reading
    writing
    math
    bowling (least important)

    or

    bolling (most important)
    reeding
    riting
    mat

    Haven't bowled in years, but I think I'm around a 100 avg.  Not sure what that says about me??

    Not to bowl for money? (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by kenoshaMarge on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:05:44 PM EST


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    Bowling and Hillary (none / 0) (#41)
    by dem08 on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:50:17 PM EST
    Bowling and Hillary shows a link that is Hillary's strength.

    If a person FEELS old, they favor Hillary because Obama is too young, too brash, too everything that the old don't understand about America.

    Since we old people still outnumber the young thanks to our "live for the now" lowered birth rates, we still want to be the center of attention, even if it means getting mad about bowling and guns and a myriad of imagined slights.

    I wonder how many of you are affluent, like me, eat well, vacation well, live better and great, and Obama just makes us feel old?

    In this election, Obama is JFK in 1960, young and hip and a Prince. Hillary is many things, as is her husband, but hip and young are trains that left a long time ago, and like working class factory jobs that pay good wages, they will never return.

    I really am old-- (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 12:55:06 PM EST
    born in 1932.  But Obama does not make me feel old or older.  He just makes me feel wiser--that I can see through him.  BTW, that's the Emporer's new clothes he has on.

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    I'm not young (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by stillife on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:41:29 PM EST
    I was born in 1955, which puts me halfway between Hillary and Obama agewise.  Obama doesn't make me feel old; he makes me feel skeptical.  I listen to him and there's no "there" there.  I look at him and I see a branded product, prepackaged by Axelrod.  I look at his supporters and I see a lot of people who are desperate to feel good and not too interested in actual issues.  I hear him talk about Hope, Change, Unity and a New Kind of Politics, and I'm reminded of Reagan's Morning in America.

    So, no thanks!

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    You support Obama (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by waldenpond on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 02:14:49 PM EST
    and he makes you feel old?  Weird dude, awesomely weird?

    No, Obama is not young, hip and a prince. He's older than me, doing jay-z immitations is immature and slightly sleazy not hip, and you even capitalize 'prince' (sorry but that is funny).

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    Heh (none / 0) (#59)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 04:51:38 AM EST

    I dunno, somehow I don't think even Prince would support a whippersnapper like Obama.  Prince is about The EXPERIENCE.

    dogwhistle to all Prince fans

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    Polling (none / 0) (#47)
    by wasabi on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 01:19:07 PM EST
    I've only been called once prior to my primary by a polling outfit.  I demanded to know who spondored the poll, and since they wouldn't answer, they eventually hung up on me.  I figure a legitimate polling organization would say who sponsored the poll.

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