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59% Of Dems Want Unity Ticket

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 06:52:00 PM EST
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According to a new CBS poll:

A majority of Democratic primary voters - 59 percent - say Obama should choose Clinton as his running mate. Clinton supporters are more enthusiastic about the prospect than Obama supporters, who are evenly split on the question of Clinton as a vice presidential pick.

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    I would fall (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by miguelito on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:00:19 PM EST
    out of my chair if this happens.

    I'd celebrate by opening a large (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by IndiDemGirl on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:04:52 PM EST
    bottle of wine.

      And, in thanks to BTD's tireless advocacy of said unity ticket, I'd donate $100.00 to TalkLeft.

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    I have my doubts (4.63 / 11) (#31)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:47:18 PM EST
    I'm not a hater, but I just don't think Obama has any interest in sharing power.  His treatment of the independent progressive groups like VoteVets supports my belief.

    It speaks well of Bill Clinton that not only was he willing to share power with his wife while in office and take full advantage of her talents (which speaks well of him as a husband, notwithstanding other things which speak poorly), he was willing to choose an impressive VP and let him develop an independent base of power within the White House.

    Obama just doesn't seem like that guy to me.  I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

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    Thank you. (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by ghost2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:57:43 PM EST
    Bill Clinton is very smart, but also very generous in spirit.  He is not petty.  I completely agree with you that he was never afraid of Al Gore or Hillary's intelligence.  

    He chose a great partner, and a great VP.  He chose the best people to advice him.  I admire him for that.

    I believe Hillary knows Bill very well, and despite his flaws, sees the good side of him.  This election I asked myself, if I wasn't Bill, she might have had someone like Kerry.  All good on the outside, sexist and petty on the inside. Can you then blame her for staying with Bill instead?

    I don't.  


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    Thank you for this (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by vigkat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:32:08 PM EST
    For recognizing Bill's generosity of spirit.  Yes, he's flawed, as are we all, but he never conducted a destructive and divisive campaign.  He didn't need to.

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    maybe it is just from (none / 0) (#4)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:02:30 PM EST
    watching a little tv today, but I will be on the floor too should this happen!

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    Mass media is busy (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Aqua Blue on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:38:18 PM EST
    bashing Hillary and trying to persuade viewers that she would be bad for the Obama ticket.

    The truth is that Mass Media (big business) is scared to death of Hillary being on the ticket.
    Hillary would bring win to the Democraic Ticket.

    Appalling that the pundits are piling on and once again demonizing her.   I heard many sexist comments today that would never be said about ANY male...demeaning her, dissing her, d@mning her.

    My anger is on perpetual simmer.  I believe that the media is stoking the fire with the intent of driving Hillary supporters to McCain with protest votes.     And, the dilema is awful.

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    So? (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by standingup on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:01:07 PM EST
    We know the voters don't matter.  We will wait to hear what the media and party leaders deem to be the proper choice for VP.  

    Oh well you are missing it (4.00 / 1) (#8)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:05:18 PM EST
    I watched Dobbs.  They discussed if Clinton suspends on Friday and that (get this) she gave the Obama camp one week to offer her the VP and then went on to discuss VP.  Michael Goodwin (jack@ss extraordinaire) said the dems will vote for him.  Rollins (Huckabee) said don't upset the base and get someone who gets you somewhere you can't get on your own (duh).  So who?.... Clinton or Biden.  Ha!  oops did I laugh at the thought of Biden out loud.  Did I ever mention the joke about Biden on the Hill?  He doesn't have a speed bump between his brain and his mouth.  No other VPs.

    Romney for McCain.  As he brings Michigan.

    Someone could take the time to explain to me what Biden means.  I laugh him, but he can't control his mouth.

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    Romney is a no brainer. (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:13:02 PM EST
    McCain  will gut us in teh rust belt with Romney.

    we can't even go after the Mormonism now after we picked a good Christian in Obama

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    Well, some of us can.... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by oldpro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:23:33 PM EST
    those who think we'll now have two wacky religious nuts contesting for executive branch leaders...

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    Who's the bigger nut? (none / 0) (#49)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:26:58 PM EST
    The Mormom's appear to have shown they can run Utah respectably enough.  (Not so the splinter groups in Texas)

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    Heh. I didn't realize what this (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Grace on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:23:35 AM EST
    meant until now.

    Yeah, Barack, the good Christian with the regular Christian Church....

    Romney is a good choice for McCain.  Mormons will be mainstream.  

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    McCain needs someone (none / 0) (#75)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:43:10 PM EST
    with economic experience and Romney's got it.

    I dunno 'bout that Mormon thing though...

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    I couldn't stomach (5.00 / 5) (#46)
    by standingup on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:46 PM EST
    it after watching Wolf Blitzer.  Cafferty, Borger and Toobin were still hung up on how if she had just been a little more gracious last night and conciliatory she might have had a shot at VP.  

    Borger did the flip flop of all flip flops.  She started out saying there was no guarantee Clinton as VP could bring along the working class and independents needed.  Then not five minutes later Borger is stating she thinks Clinton can and will have to do what is needed to bring the working class around to Barack.  In other words, Clinton can do no right but must do right.  

    I can't begin to express how much I hate the media again.  

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    Clinton can do no right but must do right. (none / 0) (#59)
    by dotcommodity on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:40:19 PM EST
    you must laugh or you will scr4eam!

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    59% of Democrats want unity ticket ! (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:04:21 PM EST
    99.999% of the press want to beat the B__!
    (Except Craig Crawford.)  

    Obama has no easy way out do he?

    I really don't know what will happen (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by vj on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:04:41 PM EST
    But the unity ticket seems like the best way to heal the rift in the party, if not the only way.

    It doesn't matter what they want. I'm sure (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by tigercourse on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:06:07 PM EST
    that plenty of Republicans in 2000 didn't know who the hell Cheney was. Many probably wanted McCain to be the VP. But he wasn't, because the boys in the backroom always knew who they wanted the VP to be. Daschle, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc. make the decision, and they are all clearly opposed to Clinton.

    YEs, the press is missing the story here (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:14:28 PM EST
    It is not Clinton who is making a power grab. Even if he picked her what power would he give her?  And perhaps Obama needs to be worried about not capitulating to the likes of Pelosi.

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    I still say I wouldn't be surprised (none / 0) (#39)
    by zfran on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:16:29 PM EST
    if Pelosi weren't on the short list for vp.

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    Speaker of the House doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:18:53 PM EST
    want to be VP.  And no one with an elitism problem is going to run with a "San Franciscan liberal".

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    She may need the job (none / 0) (#45)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:12 PM EST
    She could get challenged out of her seat this fall.


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    Is that possible or just wishful thinking? n/t (none / 0) (#52)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:29:21 PM EST


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    I once heard that (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:30:30 PM EST
    Cindy Sheehan was trying to get the democratic nomination for Pelosi's district, and push Pelosi out.

    Not sure she could do it, but maybe a more notable democrat in that area could.

    Pelosi has been a dreadful Speaker. Cindy started her quest to challenge because Nancy did nothing to push troop withdrawal or impeachment.


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    The primary is over (none / 0) (#79)
    by vigkat on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:59:23 PM EST
    I did not see Sheehan's name on the ballot, but Shirley Gotlub, a member of Pink Code, ran against Nancy.  She garnered 6,000 votes.

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    I believe (none / 0) (#80)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 10:12:36 PM EST
    that Cindy Sheehan was talking about running as an independent.

    Nancy Pelosi's job is not in the slightest jeopardy, clearly.

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    Great! (none / 0) (#81)
    by miriam on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 11:09:02 PM EST
    I hope he does pick Pelosi because then I can sleep all day Nov.4th and not worry at all about getting to the polling place.

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    Tiger, (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by ghost2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:06:29 PM EST
    I still can't believe she would want it. Why? What is in it for her?

    She has a better voice in Senate.  It's not like she wants to be famous and to know heads of state.  Being there, done that.

    Terry MacAuliffe was not saying (on morning joe).  

    In fact, I will be sad for her if she accepts it.  I admire her very much, and I think she'll do it for her country.  Which means press will still have her to beat every day during the election and possibly after.

    She may take it for a higher purpose, but my heart aches for her.  I wish she'd just tell those effing idiots to k*&^ her ass and to get lost.


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    Unity ticket will not heal me for Obama (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by cigan on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:10:25 PM EST
    I have changed party affiliation from Democrat to unaffiliated.  I will not vote for Obama, the more I read about him the more it appears to me the republicans will have enough to destroy him in the election. I sincerely hope Clinton does not saddle herself to this loser. I will not vote for McCain either.  The Democratic Party is imploding.

    Obama's Credibility (none / 0) (#85)
    by Iskrenie on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 06:36:18 AM EST
    Telling the people of Illinois that he would not be running for President...Rev. Wright and other bad church affiliations...his occasional pompus attitude...Oprah Winfrey (this was when I decided that I did not like Obama)...Barry has some serious credibility issues and has had some lapses in bad judgement.

    I believe that the only way Obama will beat McCain is with H. Clinton on the ticket.  Otherwise, you're correct, the republicans have plenty to destroy him.

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    I am one HRC supporter (5.00 / 6) (#17)
    by suisser on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:18:07 PM EST
    who does not want her to accept the VP slot.
    1. It's not only HER that I want, it's her and her policy agenda and her will to get it done. As VP her agenda and her will/power would be greatly diminished.
    2. All blame for GE failure, weak coffee, Obama's head cold, Michelle's pantyhose run will fall on HRC.
    3. It grates on this feminist that the older, wiser, more experienced, and more popular woman should take the back seat
    To name a few.  

    My guess is 57% are Obama supporters (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:19:48 PM EST
    and 2% are Clinton.

    She's so superior, why in the world would she be properly placed in second chair? So Obama can continue letting everyone else do the work while he takes the credit?

    No thanks.


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    This just in (5.00 / 12) (#25)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:42:09 PM EST
    BREAKING: Nancy Pelosi to issue sternly-worded letter to the voters...

    heh heh (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by bjorn on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:44:24 PM EST


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    yeah, but thats just Democrats right? (5.00 / 2) (#60)
    by dotcommodity on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:43:04 PM EST
    I hear theres a lot of torn up cards in the mail...

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    Wolf and the Unity (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Burned on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:42:44 PM EST
    This afternoon, Wolf was talking to Roland Martin about a VP slot for Clinton. Roland said no way would it happen, she's just too....I forgot that part.
    Then Wolf sent it over to John King at his interactive board toy.
    John says, let me show you why it would work if Clinton were on the ticket.
    He shows the states/electoral votes Obama has won compared to McCain's and Obama comes up short. Then he switches to Clinton and she is WAAAAY ahead of McCain.
    So he combines the two and presto, Obama beats McCain.

    I don't think I've seen that relevant bit of imformation on CNN before today, only here.
    Maybe I missed it on the TV.

    Doesn't it make your head spin? (5.00 / 7) (#36)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:06:34 PM EST
    She won the popular vote and looks like she would be way ahead of McCain on the EC.

    Obama, not so much. :(

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    Yes, we are sooo clever (5.00 / 5) (#41)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:17:22 PM EST
    at finding new and different ways to lose elections...

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    Unbelievable isn't it? (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:28:43 PM EST
    This one's gonna be a doozy.

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    put on your best Noel Coward accent (none / 0) (#56)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:37:25 PM EST
    take out your cigarette holder.  

    It's soooo creeeeative dahling.

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    I know there are good arguments for (5.00 / 3) (#29)
    by kempis on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:45:59 PM EST
    the unity ticket, but it makes me nervous.

    I don't trust it.

    First, I cannot imagine that Hillary Clinton really wants to be the VP. No one does. Except Cheney.

    Secondly, I don't think it will guarantee a victory in November. I think Hillary on the ticket accentuates Obama's weaknesses.

    Also, he's going to have a massive PR problem thanks to Wright, his wife, and assorted old Chicago radical lefties that are going to be paraded across every television in America for weeks this fall. This is going to cause him to lose. Having George Washington on the ticket won't help him.

    So I'd rather Hillary not be on this ticket. I think she'd be better positioned for '12 to campaign for him heartily--but off the ticket.

    2012 (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:38:33 PM EST
    Is where I've turned my attention.

    Obama went beyond the point of redemption for me sometime in March.  He's run out of time to be able to convince me that he'd stand firm on reproductive rights, the war, health care, and on and on.  He could not reverse the damage of unleashing the attack dogs of misogyny on us all in the next 6 months.  Even if he gave up his campaign and devoted every day to fulfilling my personal agenda he could not do it.

    So 2012 is what interests me now.  I've said all along that I feared whoever won the Democratic race there was a strong likelihood of Jimmy Carter part II.  That scare me more than anything that can happen with McCain in the next 4 years.

    Hillary's walking away from this (if she does) stronger than she came in, and she won't make the same mistakes.  She's our last, best hope.


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    I just read to my (5.00 / 3) (#30)
    by pie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:46:08 PM EST
    fomer favorite blog for the first time in a week.

    I shouldn't have.

    Ugh, I'm sorry (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Lahdee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:28:35 PM EST
    Now you'll need a bath. Didn't we used to say that about Red State, et al.?

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    Even Obama supporters are split (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by dianem on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:53:06 PM EST
    Half of Obama supporters want Clinton as his running mate? That should send a clear message to ... everybody.

    A republican freind at work pointed out (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by WillBFair on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
    that he can't choose Hillary for one reason; she would overshadow him, even from the vice presidency. Hill and Bill together would make him look like soup. They actually know how to govern, whereas he just copies other people's ideas, policies, speeches, you name it. And he ruins everything in process. He ruined Clinton bipartisanship by introducing the red States to Rev. Wright and Bitter Gate. He ruined healthcare by not making it universal. And so on.
    Worst of all, instead of hearing the Clinton's vast knowledge and flawless reasoning, we'll be listening to Obama's meaningless drivel: hope, believe, this is our moment, etc... ad naseam...
    http://a-civilife.blogspot.com

    Nah (none / 0) (#54)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:33:42 PM EST
    They are making Sure Obama can't reunite the factions.  It's a malevolent strategy.


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    I have yet to read (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:05:14 PM EST
    a good argument for having Hillary in the VP position. I wish some of you who would like to see her as VP would make one so that I could understand it.

    As Steve M. above has stated -- and I agree --Obama does not seem the type to share the power as Bill did. Thus, would could possibly be the value of having Hillary as VP?

    The value (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:11:26 PM EST
    is that some of us believe she would help a lot in winning the GE.

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    Okay, but then what... (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:00:54 PM EST
    First, I do not believe that Obama will be a two term president. He will be in the Oval Office for three months and quickly discover that vague generalities only work in speeches. Second, whether Hillary helps him get elected or not, she would still only be VP with her hands tied. At the end of four years, she will be saddled with his legacy even though it won't be her fault. Remember what the mainstream press did to Gore?

    One of Hillary's strongest communities have been the blue-collar working men and women all across this country. Obama's presidency is going to be just devastating for them. Remember that during the Ohio arguments over Hillary's position on NAFTA, Obama said that "America needs to move away from a blue-collar economy to a white-collar economy." This was the main reason he lost Ohio. If Hillary helps Obama get elected and then Obama does what I think he's going to do to Hillary's blue-collar voters, these people are going to feel betrayed by her over the next four years. She won't have a chance in 2012.

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    Thanks for the voice of reason (none / 0) (#70)
    by RalphB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:12:24 PM EST
    cutting through the partisan fog.


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    Someone competent in the WH (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:17:10 PM EST
    who knows what they are doing so things don't get even more effed up.  Speaking only for myself.

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    I would love (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:20:58 PM EST
    Hillary to be VP>

    Can you imagine Hillary sitting by Pelosi during the SOTU. What a site!!!

    That would be even better than Chaney and Pelosi at the last SOTU.

    I would prefer Nancy sitting BEHIND her (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:26:53 PM EST
    while she delivered the SOTU.

    just sayin'  ;)

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    4 Damn Good Reasons For Me (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:08:29 PM EST
    As an old white guy, I hope she gets the nod as the VP for a multitude of reasons. Here are a few off the top of my head:

    If you are looking for a Dem to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency, who better than Hillary.

    While many may prefer Hillary as President, the second seat as VP is far superior to the 40th seat in the Senate.

    What better way to shatter all the old white guy stereotypes at one time than for the world to see the US elect an African-American and a Woman into the executive branch for the first time, at the same time.

    And last but most assuredly not least...for my daughter who will be voting for her first time in November and would love to be able to vote for Hillary.

    Four Reasons (none / 0) (#78)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:54:13 PM EST
    First, Obama is a young guy in excellent health. Hillary, like myself, is over sixty. She and I will undoubtedly beat him to the grave by a good many years. Second, I would only agree with you that her having the second seat as VP would be superior to her having a seat in the Senate if I believed that Obama would ever listen to her, which I don't. Third, the idea of having an Afro-American man and a woman in the Whitehouse is a very lovely image. On that we agree. But it's just an image. The so-called "dream ticket" in this case IMHO would not be such a good idea. And fourth, I am very happy and proud to be able to say that both of my children are willing and able to vote for whatever Democratic candidate will be running in the GE; that, to me, is the bottom line.

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    The perfect VP for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:49:49 PM EST
    Senator Byrd from West Virginia.  

    He's got experience, the Appalacian whites (he could get West Virginia into Obama's column), and it would be a true "Unity" ticket.  On top of all that, he's old enough that he might not last a whole 4 years enabling Obama to bring in a complete unknown as replacement VP.

    /snark.    

    59% of Dems want Mom (4.80 / 5) (#23)
    by oldpro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:32:00 PM EST
    to help Obama try to be president?

    That means 41% of Democrats don't.

    I don't.

    This is a vote of no confidence (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by madamab on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:21:48 PM EST
    in Obama IMHO.

    If she's not Pres, I'm thinking Senate Majority Leader. We could use one with spine!

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    Not likely she could be (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by oldpro on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:32:17 PM EST
    Senate Majority Leader any time soon, even if she wanted it.  The Democratic senators would have to elect her over several others with more seniority, assuming Harry would even 'give it up!'

    And why would he?  He seems to like the job.

    Maybe she could take over chairing the subcommittee that Obama never got around to convening ... and give Afghanistan's war a little oversight for a change...shove that little piece of 'history' down his oratorical throat.

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    That's the old politics (none / 0) (#82)
    by herb the verb on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:42:44 AM EST
    If Obama wills it, it will be so, right? He runs the party now (so he thinks). The realization is going to sink in, sooner rather than later that he has to somehow satisfy Clinton and if he doesn't want it to be VP, it will need to be substantial and more than just some vague promise. A cabinet position is a joke and Hillary Clinton is no John Edwards.

    There is no deep love in the senate for Reid's leadership, except by those who like a milquetoast senate. Durbin is second in line, another milquetoast and Obama man through-and-through, but beyond that, who? Which of any of them has had 18 million people across the country vote for them?

    Chairing a subcommittee? You obviously have no clue how hard Clinton will fight for her views.

    As for 2012, what better position than Majority Leader?

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    Umm...herb? (none / 0) (#93)
    by oldpro on Fri Jun 06, 2008 at 11:30:52 AM EST
    ...the subcommittee comment by me was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek...you an I are not having a battle about 'who thinks more of Hillary Clinton.'

    Relax...we're on the same side.

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    It probably will not happen according to News (4.16 / 6) (#10)
    by Saul on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:09:00 PM EST
    Gregory said that word form the Obama camp was they would not offer the VP to Hilary.  They claim Bill is just to much baggage.  

    I sure this will divide the party.

    Bill? (5.00 / 4) (#16)
    by masslib on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:17:02 PM EST
    Man, this is why Hillary supporters will sit on their hands in November.  These people are idiots.

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    Seriously....... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:27:32 PM EST
    ...Bill is too much baggage, but Michelle is totally off limits. Now tell me that ain't sexist.

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    Sexist and bit delusional n/t (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by kempis on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:40:10 PM EST


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    Baggage for Russert perhaps? (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:18:19 PM EST
    Baggage for Abrams?

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    The baggage (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by chrisvee on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:26:45 PM EST
    being that he's one of the most popular and powerful people on the planet.  Hence the need for the neoDem leadership to try to diminish him.

    My money's on Bill.

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    All that "baggage"... (4.80 / 5) (#14)
    by Dawn Davenport on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:14:16 PM EST
    ...like Bill's popularity among small-town and rural America?

    A unity ticket and Bill's campaigning for the ticket would be the most effective way to get Obama votes across the United States of Appalachia.

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    but what about the Village? (5.00 / 5) (#19)
    by Salo on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:20:46 PM EST
    Cottager Olbermann and Goodywife Maddow wouldn't approve.

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    Politics makes strange bedfellows (n/t) (none / 0) (#12)
    by vj on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:11:50 PM EST


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    LOL (none / 0) (#71)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:26:59 PM EST
    I don't care if they offer it, it won't change my vote.

    But I do believe....their not offering the VP spot to Hillary is POLITICAL SUICIDE. I'll get my wish, though, which is another chance at a good Democrat in 2012.

    Cracks me up.  

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    That is an overwhelming margin (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:02:05 PM EST
    and absolutely what should happen.

    As I have said before (none / 0) (#26)
    by weltec2 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 07:42:21 PM EST
    I do not believe that BO is qualified to be Hillary's VP. I certainly would not want to see it the other way around. I would much rather that she were given a guarantee of the very first available seat on the Supreme Court. Either that, or Attorney General or Secretary of State where she could actually make a difference.

    The one thing better about VP (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:44:22 PM EST
    (and I am against it) is that VP is the only spot he couldn't back out of.  Unless I'm not remembering past campaigns well.  If she runs as VP, and she's elected by the delegates and then in the GE, he can't take it back, or fire her after the first week.  Technically, the VP is just as elected by the people as the President.

    Everything else he could offer her, he could renege on.  And I just don't trust him, or the Pelosi-Dean-Reid bloc to not pull a fast one.

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    Why isn't that number (none / 0) (#34)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:03:45 PM EST
    higher?

    I suspect that a lot of people (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by RalphB on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:08:45 PM EST
    like myself, just don't want her anywhere near an Obama campaign.  Some will not like her, but those of us who don't believe him qualified and can't vote for him under any circumstances, don't want her stuck to a loser.

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    Decompression anger right now. (none / 0) (#66)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:03:39 PM EST
    I think this might make a strong victory out of a tight race for the party.

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    I'd like to know the breakdown (none / 0) (#38)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:15:57 PM EST
    how many came from the Obama supporters, and how many from the Clinton supporters.

    I think the Clinton supporters are much less likely to want her to be under the management restraints of an ineffective novice.

    If she stays in the Senate, she has a long-term career making a difference for people in this country. If she helps him win, she'll be unemployed in 4 years.

    I hope he offers it to her. (none / 0) (#55)
    by lucky leftie on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:34:00 PM EST
    I'd feel better about voting for him.  Even if she doesn't accept, it'd be exciting. And fun, heading over to kos to lurk, as heads explode.  

    So? (none / 0) (#62)
    by Prabhata on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 08:54:20 PM EST
    Most Democrats wanted Hillary.

    So? (none / 0) (#89)
    by Ffrreedd on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 02:37:18 PM EST
    Yeah, right. I kept hearing Hillary screaming about how every vote should count. Then she claimed to have the popular vote. She has the popular vote if you don't count caucus states which BHO won 13/14. It is clear, despite claims to the contrary, that most Democrats wanted him.

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    Popular Vote (none / 0) (#92)
    by JimandZ on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 07:06:39 PM EST
    BO's own media is admitting Hillary won the popular vote.  CNN, BO's biggest cheerleader, showed three math breakdowns in graphical map format and Hillary won the popular vote in all of them.  The Democratic leaders themselves admit her historic accomplishment of winning the most popular votes in a democratic primary.

    Everyone knows the caucuses were a joke in gauging popular votes.  In Texas for example, the same identical voters targeted with the same identical advertisements voted for Hillary in the private-vote Texas primary.  When subjected to the dirty tricks of the BO/Axelrod campaign (e.g., making racial accusations, BO supporters hoarding the ballots, delaying the count, baselessly challenging the signatures), the same block of voters purportedly favored BO in the Texas caucus.  

    The Democratic Party will implode if they can't learn from the mistakes of this election.  Or do they really care?  Obviously the party has sold its soul to the Republicans.


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    BTD, how do we encourage Obama to further (none / 0) (#65)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:02:33 PM EST
    emulate Kennedy? LBJ was his main contender in the '60 election. If I read my history correctly, the two didn't particularly like each other personally, but they did work together.

    He hates her (none / 0) (#74)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Jun 04, 2008 at 09:36:55 PM EST
    She made him work a really long time by taking the primary through every state and territory. We all saw how hard he worked...barely showing up in the last 6 states. Not sure what he was doing instead.

    Can you imagine how hard it would be for him to keep up with her in the WH?

    I'm hoping Hillary wouldn't take this spot (none / 0) (#83)
    by Grace on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 04:18:09 AM EST
    unless she really wants it.  

    I'd rather see McCain elected this year and Clinton try again in 4 years OR Clinton run as an independent.  

    I really don't think Hillary needs to be second to anyone at this point and to stick her with second in an Obama Presidency is like a slap in the face.  She's stronger than that.  

    Let her suspend her candidacy.  If something happens between now and August, she can still be the Democratic candidate.  If not, she can run again later.  

    She can also do powerful work in the Senate so I wouldn't give up that Senate seat for anything.  

    no unity ticket (none / 0) (#86)
    by adewalle on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:18 AM EST
    I voted for Hillary.  I don't think she should be the VP.  Obama needs someone who can help him win in Nov. and I don't think she's it.  If she couldn't win the nomination she won't help his ticket. She seems to have too much baggage.   He needs an asset.  I agree with Jimmy Carter.  He needs a politician with international and military experience who is respected.  I like Bill Richardson, as some have mentioned, but I worry that although he will be getting latino votes he won't be tapping into the white working class vote, which is a larger electorate.

    Hillary as VP (none / 0) (#87)
    by WakeUpAmerica1 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:21:51 AM EST
    Hillary should be the VP. Obama ran a very clever campaign by aggressively seeking to capture delegates from the Red States and secure his candidacy, but the truth is no Democrat will turn those states Blue in the general election. Hillary on the other hand, captured the popular vote by a small margin and won most all the Blue states and swing states. If he is interested in winning the election, he needs her. Of course this campaign has been driven by Obama's newly registered supporters and a bias media that have been less then rational in their appraisal of this primary. Hopefully, Obama's supporters will learn to be real Democrats before it is to late and support this idea.

    ABH (Anyone but Hillary) (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ffrreedd on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 12:58:38 PM EST
    My Wife and I gave money to Barack's campaign. We are not giving him any more money until he picks a running mate that is not Hillary. If he picks her I want our previous money back. I supported him because I do not want her anywhere near the White House. A friend (HRC supporter) was saying that the Republicans were corrupt. I heartily agree. If you think that Hillary is not as corrupt as any 2 Republicans put together you are naive. If him dying gives her more power I want to be the beneficiary of a big life insurance policy on him.

    Obama is dangerous. (none / 0) (#91)
    by bstnh1 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:47:23 PM EST
    Obama's philosophy is based on Black Liberation Theology which is based on the principles of socialism and Marxism.  He scares me.  In addition to that, look at the crowd of friends and aquaintenances he surrounds himself with.  He's deceitful, dangerous and will bring this country down if elected.  The only candidate with common sense is John McCain.

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    OBAMA IS DANGEROUS (none / 0) (#90)
    by bstnh1 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 05:41:58 PM EST
    Obama's philosophy is based on Black Liberation Theology.  Sounds mild enough, but Black Liberation Theology is based on the principles of socialism and, more importantly, Marxism.  Do the research!!!  The man scares me.  If he somehow manages to get elected, this county's headed for a big surprise and a big fall.

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