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Timing Is Everything

Jonah Goldberg learns. From his column today:

Now, facing John McCain's blistering ads, Obama seems unable to fight fire with fire. . . . Nonetheless, the Obama campaign has vowed, once again, to take the gloves off and go after McCain hard, linking him to President Bush and highlighting the fact that the Arizona senator is out of touch.

One flaw with this supposed course correction is that it isn't one. McCain-Bush-Economy has been Obama's message for months now. Indeed, ABC News' Jake Tapper wrote on his blog that this is actually the fourth time Team Obama has pledged to engage in a bracing round of fisticuffs.

Time to revise and extend those remarks Jonah. Of course, "the economy is fundamentally sound" may be a winning soundbite. But I doubt it. It did not work for Hoover.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    If this news (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oldpro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:14:48 PM EST
    doesn't scare people into the Democratic camp with their votes, nothing will.

    This is going to be a deep and long-lasting depression no matter who is president.

    Hope won't work in the short term.

    Gotta have regulation and transparency, period.

    Scaring people to the polls (1.00 / 2) (#28)
    by BrassTacks on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:04:19 PM EST
    Is effective, particularly with the elderly voters.

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    Recession... (none / 0) (#8)
    by oldpro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:16:27 PM EST
    not depression...I hope...

    Preview is our friend.

    Sigh...

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    It all (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:18:18 PM EST
    depends on how it is felt in Nov. If it's still rolling around wall street then it won't make a difference.

    The thing that scares me is the person who is in office for the next term is going to get ALL the blame and that's why I worry that Obama will be Carter II if he wins. If we have to have Carter II I would rather it be on McCain's head.

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    I don't think so (none / 0) (#12)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:20:09 PM EST
    because the problems clearly started already.

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    It won't (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:21:40 PM EST
    matter. Remember that Carter took the blame and the problems were ongoing then too. People in office get the blame or the credit for what happens in the country whether its fair or not.

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    I was really little then (none / 0) (#18)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:38:47 PM EST
    but wasn't there more a set-up prior to Carter, and the actual fall happened during his admin?

    I think it's when the actual fall happens.

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    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:43:05 PM EST
    but I dont' think the actual fall is going to be felt for months. So whomever is in office will get the rap even if it's unfairly given.

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    couldn't disagree more (4.00 / 3) (#30)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:32:24 PM EST
    wee have been feeling it for about 8 months now. It's clear that it is well underway.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:40:13 PM EST
    but not the full brunt. And I don't know why Obama is polling better then. It's always something in the back of my mind. If we've been feeling it why is Obama tied with Mccain? It seems he should be taking it away.

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    because of the convention and Palin and because (none / 0) (#34)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:48:31 PM EST
    people in this country are pretty conservative in presidential elections as a rule.

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    O/T (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:26:29 PM EST
    BTD, I'm finally listening to the big speech from today. Obama is figuring out how to give a "talk" like Bill Clinton used to.

    if people actually hear it, it will go over well.

    Interesting that (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:26:51 PM EST
    Bill made a speech on the economy (and foreign policy) just yesterday.

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    they will put pieces of it in ads. (none / 0) (#20)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:40:35 PM EST
    I hope so! (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by atlmom on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:47:42 PM EST
    I hope so.  Its time for some offense.  Enough reaction to lipstick and false sex ed lies....  Time to make it very clear what is at stake.  

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    It is an anchor (none / 0) (#27)
    by lilburro on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:48:21 PM EST
    for conversations...and something, hopefully, the much vaunted grassroots efforts of Obama can consolidate around.  "Did you hear that speech Obama made about the economy???" is much better than "Obama believes in change."  Give them a reference point, ask them to check it out, and viola - Obama connects on a new level.  

    And if the meme, "wow, is Obama the new Clinton?" gets spread around, that is golden.

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    Well you're right that (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by frankly0 on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 11:26:16 PM EST
    timing is everything.

    While it depends on how well Obama can get out his message as opposed to how McCain might get his, it's certainly inherent to the current situation that a Democrat should have the clear advantage here.

    Basically, Obama has been given an enormous and totally unexpected political gift in the current meltdown on Wall Street. It will turn people's attention to the economy when, to all appearances anyway, Obama's own, unaided efforts seemed to be pretty much going nowhere.

    If Obama can't bring home major votes over this, then, honestly, the man and his campaign are beyond hope.

    Heh (4.33 / 3) (#2)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:02:57 PM EST
    I firmly believe that Hoover got a bad rap.  McCain, on the other hand, is getting just what he deserves for a bankrupt ideology.

    Hoover was winning elections for Democrats (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:03:37 PM EST
    right through the 1960s.

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    Yeah (2.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Steve M on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:09:12 PM EST
    But I'd gladly take him in preference to the lunatics they're calling Republicans nowadays!  I guess Archie Bunker and I have that in common.

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    heh (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:10:51 PM EST
    Eisenhower and his PM Lyndon Johnson weren't terrible either.

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    It's winning for us..... (2.00 / 1) (#1)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:02:50 PM EST
    kind of like "Read my lips"

    And Mccain's backtracking and claim that he is pro-regulation is like a Dukakis moment without the big armoured prop.

    All I've got to (1.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:13:18 PM EST
    say is that Obama's team keeps talking about "getting tough" but they put out worthless ads like the email one. So maybe they will let us know when they really mean it?

    Oh yeah (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:19:14 PM EST
    That e-mail ad is dominating the news today. Yessiree.

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    I'm talking (2.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:20:27 PM EST
    about the ads. Nothing more.

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    Indeed (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:34:42 PM EST
    You are the only person I know talking about that ad today. Well, you and Jonah.

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    Well (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:41:01 PM EST
    the only reason I even mentioned the ads was because of what you put up. Otherwise, everyone's talking about the economy.

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    My point exactly (none / 0) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:42:21 PM EST
    To wit, Jonah may want to revise and extend his remarks.

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    Do you watch the news? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Gabriel on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:40:28 PM EST
    Read the papers?

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    Did you (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:41:34 PM EST
    read the blog post? Apparently not.

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    Bushvilles (none / 0) (#10)
    by atlmom on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:18:37 PM EST
    I think Obama should find areas of the country (like Pheonix, Denver, Vegas) that dealt with the blunt of the housing crisis....he should start calling them Bush-villes or McCain-villes.  This is what happens in an unregulated out of control greed oriented economy.

    I like that. (none / 0) (#14)
    by coigue on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:20:30 PM EST
    As we have seen (none / 0) (#25)
    by NYShooter on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 09:46:56 PM EST
     the "law" in America is whatever The President says it is.

    What if the Maverick, as Act II after the Palin surprise pick, throws another Hail Mary and says this: "I said I was going to change "business as usual" in Washington, and I meant it! I needed a partner to help me root out the leeches, sycophants, and bloodsuckers, who drain the life out of our American dreams, hopes, and ideals. At a time when tens of millions of hard working Americans, playing by the rules, find their lives in ruin, their homes taken away, and their futures destroyed; the corporate masters, in cahoots with their Washington partners, line their pockets, leave the companies they were entrusted to protect in ruins, and walk away with billions of dollars. THIS IS WRONG!

    I am announcing today that I have met with a highly distinguished group of legal and business experts, and have come up with a plan to TAKE OUR MONEY BACK! Those CEO'S who are found to have put their own interests ahead of the health of the company they were entrusted with, will not only have that money taken back from them, but they will be going to jail for a long, long time. Those executives who obviously were smart enough to land those cushy jobs in the first place should also have been smart enough to know the difference between malfeasance and criminal behavior. Running a company into the ground for short term personal gain at the expense of their company, their employees, their vendors, their shareholders, and their customers will have a long time in an eight by ten room to contemplate what they've done.

    When Barack Obama says "change" it's because that's what a speechwriter wrote for him; when John McCain says "change" it's because he knows what "change" the American people want.

    So what if it never gets off the ground; it sound good, and buys him another two weeks of headlines.


    This is (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Sep 16, 2008 at 10:42:24 PM EST
    something that we should expect and fear at the same time. McCain channeling his inner Teddy Roosevelt. Of course, it would leave the Rush Limbaughs of the world howling in pain but I'm sure the press and probably the voters would love it.

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