After negative publicity about an eBay plan to require users in Australia to use PayPal-only, its online payment system, rumors about a similar policy in the U.S. were met with a forceful denial from the company.
"In the U.S., we are not mulling, planning, or otherwise seriously considering a move to PayPal-only," wrote spokesman Usher Lieberman on the company's eBay Ink blog. "There are U.S. market-specific reasons why PayPal-only is something we simply cannot do in the U.S."
In Australia, the PayPal- only policy goes into effect next month, it has raised concern from users who do not want their payment options limited and sparked complaints about its impact on competition from bankers.
"It's a test case," Ina Steiner, editor of Auctionbytes.com, told the Mercury News. "I'm sure they're very much considering rolling it out to other countries."
Beginning June 17, items sold on www.ebay.com.au must be paid for with PayPal or by using Visa or MasterCard, with the transactions processed by PayPal. The company generates revenue by charging fees for processing sales and monetary transactions.
Writing about eBay's U.S. plans, Lieberman did not use the word "never" in his posting. "Categorical statements have a tendency to cause headaches down the road, particularly as we evaluate how to move forward in other markets and as conditions could shift in the US."
The online auction company says the switch to PayPal-only will make its service safer in Australia. Along with the PayPay-only offering, it will provide a higher dollar amount of buyer protection along with better seller protection from buyer disputes and the use of stolen credit cards.
"These changes are part of our ongoing commitment to protect our members," the company wrote on its Web site. "We believe buyers will be more confident shopping on eBay if only the safest payment methods are permitted."
Australian bankers don't agree and have filed submissions to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission in an attempt to stop the changes. The affect on eBay's 5 million registered users there, according to the Australian bankers Commission, will be that, "competition will be restricted, innovation and development will be constrained, new entry will be discouraged and PayPal will be able to increase fees and charges to eBay users."
Steiner does not think those objections will influence eBay's policy. "It's going to happen," she said. "I don't think eBay would proceed if they hadn't laid a lot of groundwork."
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thats very imnportant issue
thats very imnportant issue
E-Bay/PayPal Australia
Hello, As someone who HATES Paypal, I wanted to let you know that E-Bay Australia will not be going paypal only, as per the ACCC stepping in:
03 July 2008 | 11:24AM EST
eBay has withdrawn its notification to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) about removing other payment methods. Instead eBay will continue to allow all existing payment methods on eBay.com.au.
We have decided to withdraw the notification to stop any further confusion and disruption among the eBay Community.
eBay regrets any uncertainty that this process has caused among the Community and believe that today’s decision will remove further doubt.
eBay’s goal has always been to provide members with a safer experience. Under the current circumstances, we will continue to look for ways to do that while still offering a variety of payment choices.
eBay requires all sellers to offer PayPal as a payment choice on eBay.com.au along with other permitted payment methods of their choosing.
Although we have decided not to move ahead with the further planned changes, eBay is pleased that all buyers can now choose PayPal along with other permitted payment methods of their choice.
Other recently introduced safety measures, such as PayPal Seller Protection and increased PayPal Buyer Protection (now up to $20,000) will also remain.
Regards,The eBay team
I don't Think so..
I don't Think so..
that's good ebay is big
that's good ebay is big market..
Paypal and eBay
Shocking stuff. Hidden bidder IDs, Paypal only, not able to leave negative feedback for buyers who don't pay, extort or threaten. Hopefully, this will be the end of a very greedy, agenda-driven organisation.
PAYPAL ... THE WORST BUNCH OF THIEVES ON THE WWW
Thieves, cheats and liars pretty much sum them up and the same can be said of their owner, GreedBay.
Both companies are run by moronic cowboys who rely on their lawyers to get them into or out of trouble whatever the case may be.
The www is littered with millions of stories of eBay & paypal being hacked and members' personal details being revealed to illegal parties, you can buy a bona fide paypal a/c on the web that was gained by phishing and the morons try to tell the Australian Govt watch dog the ACCC that they are secure, they are as safe and secure as the lowest grade toilet paper!
Burn in hell for your evil deeds GreedBpay & Paypus, your corporate kara is a comin' to git ya any time now and no-one will laugh as hard as me 'coz I've been waiting for years to see Simple Sap Simon and Alistair Pathetic MacGibbon standing in line in the dole queue along with everyone else they're putting there.
While I beleive that a
While I beleive that a business should be able to retain their personally owned payment provider -Ebay owns Paypal-, thier monopoly policies they have instituted in the last year are horrible.
the return of honest feedback THIS INCLUDES NEGATIVES! Full feedback history. Allowing the payment processors you want. Instatn refunds and payments. ETC. Is imperetive for a good ebay.
There are hundreds of auction sites. Search for the one you want and join it.
eBay is out to dominate any
eBay is out to dominate any competitor they perceive as a threat to their way of thinking, even if that domination might break the law. eBay retains 24/7 legal council to deal with of any problems down the road.
The following was taken from a forum on eBay, and spelling errors were corrected:
For people who are new to the eBay boycott being supported internationally:
As per eBay's new "restructuring" policies and changes, if you want to sell on eBay, you must allow eBay to:
1. Steal your right to leave honest feedback
2. Force an unfair DSR system.
a) Punishing you for favorable ratings between "Good Transaction" & Excellent Transaction"
3. Hide your listings in "Best Matches", but not tell you how placings are calculated.
4. Force you to accept PayPal.
5. Put "WARNING" signs on your listings for not offering PayPal.
6. To refund YOUR money (via PayPal) to a customer at PayPal ‘s sole discretion.
7. Withhold your funds for 21+ days, via PayPal.
8. Hide your bidders' IDs.
9. Pad their listing numbers.
10. Lie to the media.
11. Give bad customers coupons, so they will continue to abuse sellers.
12. Increase your FVF by 67%, at their whim.
13. Withhold performance discounts from you.
14. Throw away your feedback percentages, except for the last 12 months.
15. Remove your auctions and not notify you why.
16. Censor your opinions and ban you for those opinions.
17. Red flag your auctions and put others listings on them.
18. Ruin their own reputation by protecting scammers.
19. Make you pay for their mistakes.
Boycott eBay, and the monopoly they’ve created!
UNITED WE STAND - DIVIDE WE FALL!
The International Boycott IS ALIVE & WELL!
Join the N.O.I.S.E. & Boycott Feebay / Rapepal.
Boycott May 1st and beyond.
JUSY SAY NO TO EBAY! BOYCOTT IN YOUR OWN WAY!!!!
If you are boycotting eBay, please add your name to the map at:
http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137440513566
http://forums.delphiforums.com/boycottebay/messages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E "
From personal experience on eBay USA, I've experienced a 28% reduction of my proceeds from my sales in the 4th Quarter of 2007. When you include the Listing Fees, and Final Value Fees; then there is the PayPal collection fee, many sellers can't afford to use eBay any longer.
Australia, PLEASE do not allow eBay to institute the PayPal or COD only option. Although it may be too late, according to an earlier poster, they may have already slid this past the unsuspecting seller and Australian government.
No Paypal only E-Bay Australia
Hello, No, thank goodness the ACCC stepped in & stopped E-Bay from monopolizing this, as per E-Bay's notices:
03 July 2008 | 11:24AM EST
eBay has withdrawn its notification to the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) about removing other payment methods. Instead eBay will continue to allow all existing payment methods on eBay.com.au.
We have decided to withdraw the notification to stop any further confusion and disruption among the eBay Community.
eBay regrets any uncertainty that this process has caused among the Community and believe that today’s decision will remove further doubt.
eBay’s goal has always been to provide members with a safer experience. Under the current circumstances, we will continue to look for ways to do that while still offering a variety of payment choices.
eBay requires all sellers to offer PayPal as a payment choice on eBay.com.au along with other permitted payment methods of their choosing.
Although we have decided not to move ahead with the further planned changes, eBay is pleased that all buyers can now choose PayPal along with other permitted payment methods of their choice.
Other recently introduced safety measures, such as PayPal Seller Protection and increased PayPal Buyer Protection (now up to $20,000) will also remain.
Regards,The eBay team
They Are Going Against the Ammendment!
Ebay is going Against the Amendment of freedom of speech they no longer allow you to tell the truth about a bad customer and customers can say whatever they want, be it true or a lie and they will keep it on your record forever! its ridiculus! Customers can destroy your credibility and you have to sit back hold your tongue and let it happen. if you don't have confirmation on the order that was shippedall a customer has to say is they didn't get it and paypal will hold the money or take it out of your account with out your say even if that customer didn't purchase insurance.Ebay doesn't care about sellers.They take the sellers money,satisfy lying cheating customers to keep them happy and shopping and putting money in ther pockets!
Paypal customer service is
Paypal customer service is in INDIA....I can't believe that a US based company would trust all it's banking information and financial transactions to a country that could potentially be controlled by anti-US terrorists in the near future! All these banking transactions would be at risk! The last time I spoke with Paypal's INDIA customer service there were problems with the representatives knowledge of English and understanding why I was calling....I moved on to an abusive supervisor and immediately called eBay to report the problems/issues involved...With the ecomony in the US doing as poorly as it is and the number of people out of work, I can't believe that this company would outsource it's financial business transactions to a third world country....Call eBay customer service at 1-800-717-3229 and complain or write to them at, EBay, 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125, or call them at 1-(408)558-7400...These phone numbers and address are not readily available on the eBay web site...You can also email them through the contact process from the eBay web site.....Let them know what you think!!!
eBAY NO WAY
I am not surprised they are doing something like this and dont be fooled, they will end up rolling it out to other countries unless customers in Australia put their foot down and DONT BUY via eBAY and maybe that will make eBAY think twice!!
I no longer use eBAY due to the lack of customer service and HUGE fees that all add up and who ends up paying, the poor customer, I dont call that value for money.
I do use PayPal both as a seller and buyer and have been very happy with the service they provide, the big plus, you can actually speak to a human being at PayPal.
I AGREE WE NEED A NEW WEBSITE
I agree with all our bloggers. Ebay is not only creating a monopoly but also ripping sellers of their money with high fees. Just imagine only a handful of sellers make money, we are talking close to 1% of the sellers. What sellers are doing at this point is money rotation. The dont want to get stuck with their merchandise
Profits are made by the buyers... which include private collectors and business owners.
I have sold for years on ebay now stopped, cause if i check my numbers.. i will be -ve in profits.. so i researched and started selling on www.jewelrygrabber.com atleast they have good customer service and next month they are launching something like paypal, but at much competitve rates and with escrow services...
JewelryGrabber.com needs to take away business from ebay.....
Your feedback is important guys, we need to unite and boycott EBAY AND PAYPAL...
Ebay/Paypal
Uh, I don't think Paypal ever claimed to be like an escrow company. However, I do agree this is a very greedy move on Ebay's part as they are all the same company.Ebay is saying they have no plans to force it's users to use Paypal only, but they would if they could get away with it. If you are familiar with the Ebay system, then you already know they make it extremely difficult to not use Paypal. Everyone keeps saying Ebay is going to fall in the end, but I doubt it. As many people who stop using Ebay, there are twice as many people who want to give it a shot waiting in the wings.
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Ebay/Paypal Monopoly
Ebay and Paypal are owned by the same company and they are trying to create a Monopoly where they will have more power to charge more.
Also, Paypal doesn't protect the sellers or buyers the only way the buyers are protected are by their credit card companies and the sellers are out of luck because Paypal will not give the seller the credit card company info to appeal a chargeback.
It is time for another Ebay like company to be created to compete with Ebay and destroy the monopoly they have created.
PAYPAL = CROOKS
Paypal does not give any protection, or service to the sellers. If you as a seller have got any problem with a buyer then you won't be able to ever reach Paypal on the phone. Paypal is hiding themselves behind their website and their rules. They will be freezing your account, and you won't be able to get to your money anymore. If somebody claims that an item has not arrived, then Paypal will be returning the money to the buyer. If somebody claims that he was not happy with the item, then PayPal will be returning the money to the buyer, and you won't be able to do anything about it. If an item was slightly damaged in the mail, then PayPal will be returning the money to the buyer no matter if it was well packed or not. There are lots of worldwide anti-paypal websites on the internet and one of them is called "no paypal.com", you may take a look at their forum here: http://www.nopaypal.com/forums/
Ebay
All of our company info was compromised by pay pal. When they were contacted for help with this situation, pay pals reply was to handle it ourselves. All indications showed that the compromise happened from within their company, and the lack of help and interest in finding and prosocuting the person just showed that they were aware, and did not care.They portray it to be so secure. It is not by any means. The fees are insane and the customer service is nil if you are a seller. I for one have had it with ebay. With all of the recent changes, they will end up with a ton of buyers and very few sellers. I refuse to pay money to a company who wont stand behind me. Even now, the recent changes are all for the buyers, and ebay allows some of them to commit fraud repeatedly with no repercusions.
GOOD BYE EBAY, AND TAKE YOUR PAY PAL WITH YOU!!!!
Here in the UK a lot of
Here in the UK a lot of people are switching to Ebid.net.No fees,you don't have to use painpal and its run by people who actually answer e-mails!
Ebay are censoring all mention of its name on their forums,and remove any ad that dares mention it's name. Running scared I guess.
"There are U.S.
"There are U.S. market-specific reasons why PayPal-only is something we simply cannot do in the U.S."
Yeah, those market-specific reasons are called the Sherman Antitrust Act!
Ebay - Too big for their boots?
I live in the UK and I was forced to offer Paypal as a payment option when I submitted the auctions. I should have a choice about payment methods. I think Ebay have got "Too big for their boots". Paypal protection is a joke. I have lost money as a seller!
Wonder when Google will come out an auction house ?
We were onder when Google will come out an auction house in order to compete the greedBay markets ?
What are you looking for ?
Hi ..
if you buy jewelry than you should try www.jewelrygrabber.com
i have purchased and sold on it. its kind of cool. customer service is excellent.
GREEDBAY + PAYMEPAL = ILEGAL MONOPOLY
PayMePal is not a financial institution and as such is NOT subject to laws that control financial institutions, as said before PayMePal has gone to extraordinary lengths to avoid this regulation.
What most don't seem to understand, that is by its own admission (see item 3 of user agreement) greedbay is NOT a legal party to the transaction between a buyer and seller. The buyer and seller are wholly responsible to abide by all the laws that govern trading. Greedbay is only a service provider (only just!).
If greedbay implement the changes, EVERY Australian seller will be breaking the law. Greedbay's User Agreement Terms are NOT above the law in any country and are only there to facilitate a working service environment.
All payment systems are safe (except PayMePal) and legal, it is the person using the system that can cause all the problems. Direct deposit being the quickest and easiest as it is Bank to Bank and your money goes nowhere else. Should you mess it up, it does not go through or is reversed by the bank immediately.
SAY NO TO PAYMEPAL ......
PayPal quite far from being 'safer'
eBay staff have reported that auction payments which use Paypal are safer than tried & true methods which have been around far longer such as Direct Deposits & Money Orders, yet eBay cannot provide any factual evidence of such, ebay claim that if you use Direct Deposits & Money orders you're 4 times more likely to be involved in a dispute, having been a corporate ebay seller for 8 years and a powerseller I have seen first hand that this would simply not be the case, the leading cause of unpaid item disputes on ebay Australia has little to do with the payment method itself, but rather the fact that some buyers simply forget to enter their ID or Name on some Direct Deposits, making it near impossible for some sellers to match payments to buyers hence sellers wont see some buyers have paid in those instances, thus causing an Unpaid Item Dispute in some cases.. Paypal can (and does) freeze your money and hold on to it for as long as they like, regardless of whether a buyers claims are legitimate or not. Forcing PayPal only creates an HUGE loophole where buyers can scam sellers from the comfort of home whenever they like.
So called 'Seller Protection' is a farce, being that most (if not all) Official Australia Post documentation is irrelevant to PayPal dispute cases, leaving sellers with no way possible for paypal to accept that an item has been sent to a buyer, thus buyer receives their item and their money back! A huge win (scam) for some buyers, a huge loss for the people who pay eBays wages (sellers).
Now if eBay or PayPal had data 'facts' backing up their case, don't you think they would have made them public by now to support their directive?
Simon Smith was recently reported to say to a vocal crowd of angry ebayers that eBays paypal data was verified, where he was later asked to retract his comment by an eBay lawyer,.. If that doesn't say "folk's we're kinda winging it here" I don't know what does!
The Reserve Bank, ASIC, Commbank and other large corporates & government agencies have submitted detriment cases to the ACCC against eBay Australia, we all just hope that the ACCC will not dismiss eBays blatant dictatorship'esque attack, and will act based on the welfare of all Australians, and in keeping with the Law.
eBay have also now dictated a regime whereby no Australian seller can leave neutral or negative feedback ratings for buyers, no matter if the buyer didn't pay, gave sellers the run around, or were abusive, sellers are now forced to give positive ratings for all buyers as of May 12th, 2008.
eBay Australia has well and very truly lost the plot, and the losses will continue as long as eBay plays the dictator handing down unecconomical mandates.
paypal is unstable and not trust worthy
paypal is unstable and not trust worthy
I made a purchase by paypal
I made a purchase by paypal and when the vendor shipped me the three bottles of vinegar I bought one of them arrived broken...I requested that I receive a one third refund for the broken bottle and paypal refunded me ALL of my money....I had to resend the two thirds amount back to the seller so that I was comfortable with myself....The vendor then would need to follow up with the shipping agent for the rest of the refund....I as a buyer would like to do business with this vendor again and a full/total refund put a strain on our business relationship...I was told by paypal that they didn't do partial refunds!
eBay + Paypal
eBay is quite good as marketplace and we use it once in a while.
eBay to accept paypal only payment would be awkward to its users.
eBay is still alive today because of its users, so it must listen to what
they have to say. Period.
eBay and Paypal
From my very personal point of view, it is not a nationality issue. e-bay and pay pal are websites which brings maybe too much money in a few pockets. That is all right . Problem rise when they are not happy and want more and more and just kill as many business as they can. Just watch what is happening. They target to be the single shop in the world. This is the bigest stupidity. However, this is just talk and means nothing.
eBay + Paypal
I for one will not be using eBay anymore if I cant pay how I did before, over 30 transactions no problem ever
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