Thieves and neighbors
I was grocery shopping with my flatmate the other day, going through the list of needs and wants, when she came to oranges.
“Oranges?” I had to ask: “Why not just buy them on the street outside our building?”
“Because they rip me off,” she said. “They see a foreigner and they double the price.” And so she buys most of her fruit and vegetables, nearly all the food in our apartment, actually, at WalMart or one of the big Chinese hypermarkets. Sometimes this means she pays more, sometimes less. But the chains don’t mark up on an individual basis; everyone who shops there is paying the same foreign-goods-in-China price.
I take the opposite route: Nearly every piece of produce I buy is a street transaction. Not saying this is a better, way, just the way I do it. If I pay more, I’m paying for convenience and Chinese practice. If I pay less, so much the better.
There aren’t many foreigners in my neighborhood. I live in a quiet section of Dalian between Peace Plaza and Olympic Square, what I like to call the Bo Xilai part of town, since the former mayor had a thing for planting trees. That was part of the appeal when I moved in: Huge oaks line the sidewalks, hanging out over the street. The trees give the area a calmer feeling and hide the ugly gray facades of the buildings that look much older than they really are.
Any street can turn into a farmer’s market. I haven’t figured out the system that determines where the vendors will park their carts and drop their goods, but it’s never more than a block from my front door. The people selling tend to come from rural parts of Greater Dalian: Pulandian, Wafangdian and slightly farther out. In for a day then back home. I wouldn’t call them migrants in the usual sense, more agricultural commuters.
I don’t know the people who work at WalMart. I shop there, but the experience is much like WalMart anywhere. I get what I need and get out as quickly as possible. It’s hard to be conversational in the frozen food aisle, even about the low, low prices.
But back to my original thought: What’s the proper thing to do here? Take the open market, potentially be ripped off or get food about to rot, with the trade off of paying the guy growing the food (or someone less removed from the process, at least), and getting it closer to home? Or go corporate, get guaranteed quality and the higher price that goes with it, minus a bit of the human interaction? Where do you buy your vegetables?
Just throwing this out there.


December 14th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
i’m lucky to have an honest fruit seller at the fruits & veg near where i live (in beijing) in the cbd zone. my local friend introduced me to her and i don’t have to say a word - i get it at a very good and cheap price - all the fruits.
but that’s all - being a foreign chinese, my accent, no matter how much i’ve improved - is still, flawed
i get 99% of my other daily needs at walmart/carrefour or even jenny lou’s.
like ur friend, less human interaction - less bargaining - less time wasted. everyone’s happy…
December 15th, 2007 at 12:20 am
I am 100% with you, man; I get the overwhelming majority of my everything from street stalls: produce, clothing, yongpin, everything. I’ve been to Walmart once and Watsons twice, and only when I need to buy shaving cream (cause Gilette really is the best a man can get).
December 15th, 2007 at 8:20 am
how could you get ripped off if you know what the prices are of produce at the supermarket? prices on the street should be 30-50% lower. haggle if you have to. i’ve found supermarkets in China and HK to have subpar fruit compared to street vendors and wet markets.
tell your roommate to haggle, haggle, haggle!
December 15th, 2007 at 9:41 am
My Japanese neighbors warn me not to buy fruit from vendors on the street because they say they use a lot more pesticides. I’m not sure where they got that info or how accurate it is. Any idea if there’s any truth to that?
December 15th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
Do the capitalist thing and buy from wherever strikes your fancy at any given moment. Don’t moralize about it.
December 16th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
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December 17th, 2007 at 12:18 am
Most of the fruit you buy on the street anywhere in China comes from the local wholesale market (批å‘市场). Typically vendors go there every morning, buy fruit, then sell it to you at about a 15-20% markup. I’d would think that the fruit from Walmart and other supermarkets comes from a similar source, but I’m not really sure. As for getting ripped off, the key is just knowing the real prices of stuff. If you don’t know what the real price is, you will get ripped off, even if you are Chinese. Ask around and find out what everybody else is paying. Give the vendor a hard, fair, offer. They will probably reject you and tell you they can’t make any money if the sell it that cheap. Then you just shrug, walk away, and wait for them to call for you to come back…works every time. And the price you pay for something in the street should ALWAYS be cheaper than you would pay if you bought it inside a building.