Young Catholics turn to Latin mass.

There I just saved you 10 minutes.

It would make about as much sense if it were written in Hieroglyphs.

Heh heh

"assmay".

Hereverway ouyay indfay ourfay atholicscay, oullyay indfay ayay ifthfay

/igpay atinlay eneratorgay (ewnay indowway)

The Latin mass was kept around mostly because so few commoners spoke Latin. Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

Aha! So this is why some people want to make America English-only!

/keeding.
//lame attempt at threadjacking

makes it a lot easier to not pay attention if I don't know wtf is being said.

Whatever helps me fall asleep faster

As someone wrote in Time magazine, they like Latin Mass better since then they aren't offended by what the priest says.

ywhay?

idday otnay eadray tfa..ay

'Gregorian chant is the opposite of rap..'

Cue Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton to cry racial discrimination any second over this one.

Notice to Moonie Syndicate article writer: Anecdate != data.

dogdaze: Hereverway ouyay indfay ourfay atholicscay, oullyay indfay ayay ifthfay

/igpay atinlay eneratorgay (ewnay indowway)

Thanks for the link. That will be a real timesaver when I write documentation for my software.

/Resspay Ontrolaltdeletecay

Saborlas: Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

Yep. Don't think: Sing!

"I love the Latin mass," Audrey Kunkel, 20, of Cincinnati told The Washington Times. "It's amazing to think that I"m attending the same mass that has formed saints throughout the centuries."


Always Feared:


Never Expected

oodgay objay ubbysay

/i might have farked that up

I'm all for it. It's about time we went back to Latin.

otay?

Saborlas: The Latin mass was kept around mostly because so few commoners spoke Latin. Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

Actually it was used because it was the scholars language, and it was simpler to use one language for Mass everywhere. Scriptures on the other hand were kept out of the vernacular purposely to keep people ignorant.

/Not Catholic.

Latin mass takes like 20 minutes, at least when done by Mexican priests.

WOO! Gimme that host, I'm outta here!

Come on Donna, you know I don't understand Pig Latin.

Nice Subby

La li loo la boo ba kee koo bla po ba yoo ka soo ah ah.

From my Mandarin Phrasebook:

"There seems to be a problem"
Translation"
SUM TING WONG

Oremlay ipsumyay olorday itsay ametyay, onsectetuercay adipiscingyay elityay.

For you English speakers:
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit

Saborlas: The Latin mass was kept around mostly because so few commoners spoke Latin. Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

Same goes for the inclusion of latin in law.

HERETICS!

Going against Vatican II is defying church dogma. Ex-Communicate these farkers!

Really I grew up a believing Catholic in the 90's, these Opus Dei wannabe farktoids are really ruining the church for sane people.

My first reading of the headline led to me understanding this:

"Young alcoholics turn to Latin ass"


Anyone else?

Am I the only one who thought this has something to do with gay alcholoics doing something with thier ass?

/guess not.

LibertyFirst: Saborlas: The Latin mass was kept around mostly because so few commoners spoke Latin. Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

Actually it was used because it was the scholars language, and it was simpler to use one language for Mass everywhere. Scriptures on the other hand were kept out of the vernacular purposely to keep people ignorant.

/Not Catholic.

Saborlas is more correct. In fact, it is in part this schism of language between the "learned" and the "masses" that lead Martin Luther to "rebel" against the Catholic Church in what became the Reformation and the beginnings of the Protestant movement.

Oh good. Now all the Latin Americans will understand the Mass.

"Priests say that the mass is attracting Catholics who did not grow up with it. The Rev. Franklyn McAfee of St. John the Beloved in McLean, Va., said that they are attracted by something that is "contemplative, mysterious, sacred, transcendent.""

Great father now just turn your back to the congregation and the transformation is complete. The 60's never happened, really I swear, just keep your back to the outside world and everything will be ok.

Wackjobs... my dad and my uncle are really into this catholic traditionalist garbage. They dream of the holiness and sanctity that was apparently the Middle Ages. WTF?!?! Are they nuts?

Weird thing is he is a physicist in real life. They'd lock him up for shiats and giggles if he told them the Earth was not the center of the universe, vacuums can be created, etc.

lazymojo: Wackjobs... my dad and my uncle are really into this catholic traditionalist garbage. They dream of the holiness and sanctity that was apparently the Middle Ages. WTF?!?! Are they nuts?
.

The tree huggin hippies want that same thing. Small world.

Saborlas: The Latin mass was kept around mostly because so few commoners spoke Latin. Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

The homily was always delivered in the local tongue.

Petulant Dwarf: 'Gregorian chant is the opposite of rap..'

Gregorian notation has little to do with whether or not something sounds like rap music.

TheHopeDiamond: I'm all for it. It's about time we went back to Latin.

Allowing the Mass in Latin is a huge mistake and the Church will live to regret it.

Isn't there some bit in the Latin mass about converting Jews?

What's so special about the Latin mass? A Greek mass would at least be in the right language.

It seems odd that Latin has such a special place in Christianity (or at least the Catholic flavor of it). That was the Romans' language, and as I recall, the Romans of the time weren't real big on this whole Jesus thing. Yes yes yes, Constantine, blah blah, but really, wouldn't Hebrew or Aramaic or even Greek or something like that be more appropriate?

/Did Jesus even speak Latin?

It's easier to do something that makes no sense when you don't understand what's being said.

The whole nation went and learned Hebrew.
What, are Catholics lazy?

Windowdoggy: Great father now just turn your back to the congregation and the transformation is complete. The 60's never happened, really I swear, just keep your back to the outside world and everything will be ok.

The priest isn't turning his back on the congregation, Windowdoggy. He's facing God with the congregation.

mikaloyd: The tree huggin hippies want that same thing. Small world.

No, no, no, the tree hugging hippies want us to go back to the Stone Ages, not the Middle Ages. Keep your ages straight.

rjShadow: makes it a lot easier to not pay attention if I don't know wtf is being said.

This.

Recedete plebes, gero rem Imperialem.

Latin's a fantastic language to learn, if you can get past the attitude that people who don't speak it react with when they learn you do. It seems to have this reputation for being spoken by effete snobs, when really it's a language that was developed by hard-ass killin' machines that dominated the Mediterranean for 800 years or so. It's a logical language, and while it can be made to extol beautiful poems, it's much better when delivering scathing "Oh SNAP" moments (Cicero's defense speeches) or in your face sex-raps like Cattallus. I can read and write in Latin, speak it for the most part, and I find it's really helped my English (and French, Latin, Spanish, and some Romanian).
And I'm not Catholic :)

"Gregorian chant is the opposite of rap"

I think this calls for some Gregorian Gangster Rap. Anyone out there care to throw out some Latin Rhymes?

END COMMUNIATION

Is this the hot catholic schoolgirl thread?

He's actually reading a priest on altar boy porn script while everyone nods along.

(Doh, I mean Recedite plebs. Stultus sum)

Hubris Boy:
The priest isn't turning his back on the congregation, Windowdoggy. He's facing God with the congregation.

God, THIS. I stopped going to Catholic Mass specifically because they instituted reform. Going from the mystery and majesty of the Latin Mass to the "you have a buddy in Jesus" ceremony ruined any draw to Catholicism for me.

The Latin Mass had beautiful music, powerful symbolism, deep meaning, and strong tradition. All were things that seemed to be eviscerated and taken out to the barn to be shot during the 60s (and not only in the Catholic Church). I am far from a bible-thumper, but I do believe that one of the biggest issues in America is our lack of connection to our past. Unlike many reforms, this one only served to alienate people.

One of my college professors, when explaining the reasons he became a lapsed Catholic, liked to blame the fact that the Church "took away Bach, and gave us Kum-bah-ya."

Hester Prynne
My first reading of the headline led to me understanding this:

"Young alcoholics turn to Latin ass"


Anyone else?

I first read it as "Young alcoholics turn to Latin mass," so I got one more word, but it was still very much a "Wait, what?" moment.

On a side note, your name on here is oddly and vaguely appropriate for this thread, particularly given your misinterpretation of the headline. Sure, Hester Prynne was actually a puritan, the ass she went after was probably not Latin, and no one really knows about her alcoholic status, but those are insignificant details, right?

Latin was the language of the church for 1500 years, still is in many ways. The tridentine mass always had the readings and homily in the vernacular. What's wrong with having a language reserved for prayer? Other faiths do it.

Windowdoggy:

Great father now just turn your back to the congregation and the transformation is complete. The 60's never happened, really I swear, just keep your back to the outside world and everything will be ok.

Actually, the reason why the priest faces the altar with the back to the congregation is because he is the representative of the congregation. Sort of when a group appoints a spokesman to speak on behalf. He, with the congregation, faces God.

In fact, look at the Orthodox Jewish liturgy and the rabbi does the same thing.

/Confessional Lutheran
//prefers the Liturgy over those dang Boomer contemporary silliness.
///If I want a rock concert, I'd attend an arena, not a church.

Yeah, great.

If you don't understand what they're preaching of course you can't be arsed to live according to those preachings.

Vatican-sanctioned ignorance.

Great.

/begin{sarcasm}
Something tells me that these young catholics will be real easy to live with in a multi-religion society.
/end{sarcasm}

Sweet, does this mean that all of that pesky Vatican II is gone?!

/off to dig up my Passion play script, sharpen pitchfork, make torches

BRENDAN-FACE: One of my college professors, when explaining the reasons he became a lapsed Catholic, liked to blame the fact that the Church "took away Bach, and gave us Kum-bah-ya."

BRENDAN-FACE: One of my college professors, when explaining the reasons he became a lapsed Catholic, liked to blame the fact that the Church "took away Bach, and gave us Kum-bah-ya."

This This This This This This This This!

Sorry....just venting

AngryDragon: Unlike many reforms, this one only served to alienate people.

Vatican II was the single most important and powerful event in the modern history of Christianity. It has made the Church much more populist and accessible, your aesthetic concerns notwithstanding.

In other words, you're wrong about this one. Here, read this.

Mad Scientist: Oh good. Now all the Latin Americans will understand the Mass.

Thank you, Mr. Quayle.

SusanIvanova: It seems odd that Latin has such a special place in Christianity (or at least the Catholic flavor of it). That was the Romans' language, and as I recall, the Romans of the time weren't real big on this whole Jesus thing. Yes yes yes, Constantine, blah blah, but really, wouldn't Hebrew or Aramaic or even Greek or something like that be more appropriate?

/Did Jesus even speak Latin?

Rome is the reason that christianity survived while all the other son of god/savior cults died out. If it hadn't been picked up by the romans, it would have been gone prtty fast.

The christian religion was born out of the roman empire to probably a greater extent than any other culture influenced it. Using latin was only natural.

//also a thematic fit with the 'gift of tongues' idea since Latin was the universal second language at the time in sort of the way that English is nowadays.

Oh Great Mass in Latin, free us from understanding what you are saying!

We will listen and do what the Priest tells us.

Tell us to do things!

And we'll do them.

Hide your mystery!

We're Dumb!

BRENDAN-FACE: One of my college professors, when explaining the reasons he became a lapsed Catholic, liked to blame the fact that the Church "took away Bach, and gave us Kum-bah-ya."

Bach was Lutheran and wrote Lutheran church music.

'Cuz magic words are more powerful when spoken in dead languages. Expecto patronus!

I'm shocked by this.

Most yanks won't even give a subtitled foreign film half a chance. But preach to them in a dead language they don't understand and they're falling all over themselves to join up? That's just weird.

Unless of course, this article has picked up a blip on the trend-o-meter and is making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Dominus vobiscum, et con spiritu tuo
Won't you eat my sleazy pancakes, just for saintly Alfonzo

/Thanks, FZ!
//or, Pie Iesu domine, dona eis requiem if you like killer rabbits and monks with big books

Great...now they'll hear:

ahey ittleyay oybay...ancay ooyay eepkay a ecretsay?

I like going to mass in latin, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies. Actually I am.

I'm not sure what the numbers are, but I think there is one (1) latin mass per week in the state of New Mexico. There might be 50 of us there. The Church (read Vatican) won't requiring everyone to do this. The recent change was that before you had to have permission from your bishop, which this priest had. Now I think the bishop can't stop a priest from saying the old rite if there is demand. I've been going for over a year, but it seems like it's been going on here for quite a bit longer.

I go because all the other churches around here all do a lot of christian rock/bad folk music. When I was a kid, there was an organ and maybe a piano, but now anyone who happens to have a spare accordion in their closet shows up to croon. Everything feels more formal, and, honestly, I pay a lot more attention now.

Things are also ordered differently than in the Pauline mass. During the homily, the priest rereads the epistle and gospel, then talks for a bit, all in english. It doesn't end up being any longer, really. Yes, he whispers a lot facing away from you during the ordinary, but you're supposed to be following along in latin or english (my 1958 missal has both and I haven't seen one that doesn't)

I can read latin pretty well now, though it's hard to just stick words together.

Yes, there is a line in the mass for Good Friday I think that says something like 'pray for the Jews so that they may believe in Jesus like we do'. It's supposedly coming out of the missal if this catches on. It probably doesn't even get said very much since they don't say mass in latin on holy days since everyone who only shows up for Easter and Christmas doesn't wanna hear it in latin.

Ok, so bring the hate on now that I've outed myself.

lukelightning: Expecto patronus!

"Here comes the tequila"??

/I'd go every week
//twice

count me in as a Catholic who prefers the Pauline Rite in the vernacular - when done with reverence, it's beautiful in its simplicity, and no less holy. Some people (ie "traditionalists") seem to have trouble differentiating btwn the bells and whistles and the actual Sacrifice of the Mass.

saintstryfe: Oh Great Mass in Latin, free us from understanding what you are saying!

We will listen and do what the Priest tells us.

Tell us to do things!

And we'll do them.

Hide your mystery!

We're Dumb!

Funny...the pre-Vatican II missals have the English translation printed next to the Latin stuff. Also, the sermon (homily) is spoken in the vernacular.

And if you want, you can ask the priest after the service for the translation. It's not like he's going to beat the crap out of you.

Hester Prynne: "Young alcoholics turn to Latin ass"

ChewbaccaJones: Great...now they'll hear:

ahey ittleyay oybay...ancay ooyay eepkay a ecretsay?

This is fresh and hilarious. What's next, black people talk like this and Jews have horns? No wait, do your convenience store clerk impression first, that's my favorite.

Mercutio74: I'm shocked by this.

Most yanks won't even give a subtitled foreign film half a chance. But preach to them in a dead language they don't understand and they're falling all over themselves to join up? That's just weird.

You're missing a huge point. The whole reason people believe in the first place is that people are mystified by things they don't understand. You do the mass in Latin, and they think it was Words From God!!111 This is just another thing to keep attendance up and farking over the masses (no pun intended) just a little bit more.

mccallcl: BRENDAN-FACE: One of my college professors, when explaining the reasons he became a lapsed Catholic, liked to blame the fact that the Church "took away Bach, and gave us Kum-bah-ya."

Bach was Lutheran and wrote Lutheran church music.

But the Lutheran mass at the time used the same Latin: Kyrie, Gloria, Symbolum, Sanctus. The catholics have freely adopted it.

I read this as "young alcoholics" and now I find the actual headline is much more boring.

/ is this really the blood of christ? That guy musta been wasted 24/7!

rjShadow: You do the mass in Latin, and they think it was Words From God!!111

You forgot to say 'sheeple'

mccallcl: Vatican II was the single most important and powerful event in the modern history of Christianity. It has made the Church much more populist and accessible, your aesthetic concerns notwithstanding.

In other words, you're wrong about this one. Here, read this.

First, Vatican II was precisely as you describe it, however, I hardly consider the liturgical changes to be "aesthetic". In fact, many of the changes were to the meaning of the words and actions, or more dramatically, to the doctrine.

A good comparison can be located here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_of_Paul_VI

Lenny_da_Hog: But the Lutheran mass at the time used the same Latin: Kyrie, Gloria, Symbolum, Sanctus. The catholics have freely adopted it.

Interesting, I did some research and stand corrected.

Einstein had a theory about this, no?

Something about time passing more slowly as Latin Mass approaches the speed of light?

Romanes Eunt Domus!

Seeing as how this is a Latin thread, I wanted to contibute my favorite phrase:

Quando omni flunkus moritati

/not obscure
//keep your stick on the ice

mccallcl: Bach was Lutheran and wrote Lutheran church music.

mccallcl: You forgot to say 'sheeple'

Damnit... I lose 12 Troll FunPoints™ for that :(

mccallcl: BRENDAN-FACE: One of my college professors, when explaining the reasons he became a lapsed Catholic, liked to blame the fact that the Church "took away Bach, and gave us Kum-bah-ya."

Bach was Lutheran and wrote Lutheran church music.

Yes, but he also wrote for the catholic church, mass in B minoras example. Add to the list Handel and Beethoven. I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.

Saborlas: The Latin mass was kept around mostly because so few commoners spoke Latin. Kinda hard for a wiseass to knock holes in your argument if he doesn't know what you're saying.

And what language did you expect them to use? Every semi-educated person for >1800 years spoke Latin at least a little bit. It was the only language that easily crossed political boundaries. It was the language of trade, learning, medicine, science, philosophy, etc. If you happen to be in science, medicine, or law, or philosophy, it's still pretty important to know a few words today. I don't disagree that the Church should have gone with the local languages much earlier, but going all tin-foil-hat about the reasons is a little stupid.

MadTheologian: HA! HA!

Yeah but you have to be Lutheran and that shiat is hell of boring.

Red Shirt Blues: I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.

MORNING HAS BRO-KEN LIKE THE FIRST MOR-NING

BLACKBIRD HAS SPOKEN

LIKE THE FIRST BIRD

mccallcl: You're right. I am sorry if I may have offended any child molesting catholic priests. Maybe you'll be less snippy about this:

mccallcl: MadTheologian: HA! HA!

Yeah but you have to be Lutheran and that shiat is hell of boring.

Why do you think we have brats n beer on Reformation Day?

:P

/*burp*

Red Shirt Blues: I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.

Heh, everytime I watch Airplane I laugh at the scene where the nun is singing with the guitar. From Mozart's Requiem to that. How sad.

mccallcl: Red Shirt Blues: I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.

MORNING HAS BRO-KEN LIKE THE FIRST MOR-NING

BLACKBIRD HAS SPOKEN

LIKE THE FIRST BIRD

Damn your soul! I went to the basilica in Philly to dodge that crap this week and now it is stuck in my head!!!

Cornered Beef: Romanes Eunt Domus!

"People called Romanes, they go the house?"
"It-it says, 'Romans, go home'"!
"No, it doesn't!"

/Now, write it out a hundred times . . . If it's not done by sunrise, I'll cut your balls off!

Tenebreux: It's a logical language, and while it can be made to extol beautiful poems, it's much better when delivering scathing "Oh SNAP" moments (Cicero's defense speeches) or in your face sex-raps like Cattallus. I can read and write in Latin, speak it for the most part, and I find it's really helped my English (and French, Latin, Spanish, and some Romanian).
And I'm not Catholic :)

For someone who can read, write, and speak Latin, you sure do spell CATULLUS funny.

"I love the Latin mass," Audrey Kunkel, 20, of Cincinnati told The Washington Times. "It's amazing to think that I"m attending the same mass that has formed saints throughout the centuries."





/Mulier taceat in ecclesia.

mmmerf: Latin was the language of the church for 1500 years, still is in many ways. The tridentine mass always had the readings and homily in the vernacular. What's wrong with having a language reserved for prayer? Other faiths do it.

I also find the idea of being able to understand the mass in a language that I could find ANYWHERE in the world pretty appealing.

Some reasons to fault this "movement:"
1. Farkers are an accusatory, rowdy lot
2. It is always fun to bash the majority, or plurality as it were
3. Many see this move as specifically designed to subvert the flock into ignorance, which is an age-old argument against organized religion in general

Its been said above, but I have to agree: there are many aspects of the Latin mass that are truly beautiful and evince so much of the mystery and sanctity that a lot of people want most out of their Church experience. I also enjoy learning a new language, which helps me with all of the Romance languages.

Finally, the Bible was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, Latin and ancient Greek. Latin, while not spoken anywhere in general, is used widely in science and law. Aramaic and ancient Greek are effectively dead languages. At the very least there is the alphabetic difference. Hebrew was used more for the old testament, and is also much less accessible to people who speak english (pronunciation and alphabet). Use of the lingua franca from the time the scripture was written can open a lot of doors in interpretation.

I don't want the church to go back to all-latin, but I don't have any thought that it would. So I've got that going for me... Which is nice.

mccallcl: Red Shirt Blues: I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.

MORNING HAS BRO-KEN LIKE THE FIRST MOR-NING

BLACKBIRD HAS SPOKEN

LIKE THE FIRST BIRD

*singing, antiphon/chorus style*

Doooooooo-oooooo Noooo---ooot Waaaant!

Had that one Easter service, around the time when this Terri Schiavo thing happened. Not only that, I was in the middle of a crappy job situation. It was all sorts of cruel. I was relieved to get out of that service.

Red Shirt Blues: I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.


This. Even my Pauline parish has started doing the Angus Dei back in Latin. Sounds nice and everybody knows what it means anyway.

Ichi ichi kaping.

Greek Orthodox here. Been kickin' old school for almost 2000 years.

ChubbyTiger: Even my Pauline parish has started doing the Angus Dei

"Angus Dei" sounds like the Pope's steak house.

/sorry, closed Fridays!

olyhay uckfay!

ChewbaccaJones: mccallcl: You're right. I am sorry if I may have offended any child molesting catholic priests.

It was just a tired joke that comes up in every mention of Catholicism on the internet.

MadTheologian: Why do you think we have brats n beer on Reformation Day?

Because your churches look like upside-down boats? I don't know, man. I got married in a Lutheran church. BONUS: not actually married!

Red Shirt Blues: Damn your soul! I went to the basilica in Philly to dodge that crap this week and now it is stuck in my head!!!

Sorry.

THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD HAS MADE
LET US BE GLAD AND REJOICE IN HIM

ha ha, that one's even worse!

mccallcl: Red Shirt Blues: Damn your soul! I went to the basilica in Philly to dodge that crap this week and now it is stuck in my head!!!

Sorry.

THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD HAS MADE
LET US BE GLAD AND REJOICE IN HIM

ha ha, that one's even worse!

But at least its not....

Be not afraid..........

"Gregorian chant is the opposite of rap, and I believe this is a refreshing change for them," he said.

That word refreshing, I do not think you know what it means.

Red Shirt Blues: But at least its not....

Be not afraid..........

*whimper* Please stop. Think of the children (doesn't that always work).

I was driven Episcopalian in part because of those stupid "praise choruses" Southern Baptist churches seem to have fallen in love with over the last decade (well, that and the whole "wives shall submit to their husbands" business from Paul that the Southern Baptist Convention decided required more prominence than some boring things that Jesus said about peace and the poor). I'm more likely to hear old Baptist hymns at an Episcopal service than at the Southern Baptist church I grew up attending. That's sad; it's like they're losing the best part of the tradition.

Episcopal Church: rather unsettled on a national scale, pleasantly predictable on a weekly basis at a given location.

Anglicanism: we do not even pretend to have a glorious founding myth.

mccallcl:
THIS IS THE DAY THE LORD HAS MADE
LET US BE GLAD AND REJOICE IN HIM

ha ha, that one's even worse!

I hate you.

And the worst thing about this is that I wanted to fire back another dopey obnoxious campfire canticle but now I can't get this one out of my head.

I'm all for it---as long as it means that my non-believer butt can go listen to it somewhere close to home.

Honestly, the closest any major religion has come to catching me is the Catholics---SOLELY because of hearing Latin Mass sung in a massive basilica in Italy. Amazing.

If I was a religious type, I'd want to be in awe every Sunday, and moved, etc, etc. Learn the Latin so you can understand it, and bask in the lovely music/words. Conservative Jewish services do the same thing for me. Anymore, any "normal" church/temple service just sounds like my old high school's Key Club meetings. Ugh.

Texmandie: I'm more likely to hear old Baptist hymns at an Episcopal service than at the Southern Baptist church I grew up attending. That's sad; it's like they're losing the best part of the tradition.

"Onward Christian Soldiers" was my favorite. I grew up Anglican.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: And the worst thing about this is that I wanted to fire back another dopey obnoxious campfire canticle but now I can't get this one out of my head.

How about "Taaaake this bread and driiiink this cup..."

The Eucharistic hymns are the worst.

mccallcl: How about "Taaaake this bread and driiiink this cup..."

The Eucharistic hymns are the worst.


This may be for you.

This. Even my Pauline parish has started doing the Angus Dei back in Latin. Sounds nice and everybody knows what it means anyway.

Exactly. The parts of Mass that are the same each week can be in Latin and people will understand just fine.

Latin is better because it takes you out of your normal routine. The vernacular can't do that.

LibertyFirst:
Actually it was used because it was the scholars language, and it was simpler to use one language for Mass everywhere. Scriptures on the other hand were kept out of the vernacular purposely to keep people ignorant.

/Not Catholic.
Ummm, No. Thank you for playing.

Scriptures were kept in Latin because if you could read, you could read Latin. There were vernacular texts of the bible before the Protestant reformation. Mass Literasy is a technological innovation, made practical by moveable type. Before this point, books were ridiculously expensive. Costing more than most people would make in a year or possibly several. this warranted them being chained down. And having texts in Latin - the "lingua franca" if you will pardon a bad joke I will never get to make again - therefore made a hell of a lot of sense.

/I AM Catholic
//A convert, too
///No, didn't convert to get married. thank you for asking.

rvagirl81: Honestly, the closest any major religion has come to catching me is the Catholics---SOLELY because of hearing Latin Mass sung in a massive basilica in Italy. Amazing.

What, not inspired by the McLean Bible Church (pops) on the radio?

/"Not a sermon -- just a thought!" Yeah, right, you lying sack of monkey feces.

Moving to Center City Philly on Thursday. Like I alluded to in an earlier post I get to attend the Basilica of St Peter and Paul. No hippy music. No barefoot dancing ladies sprinkling holy water (yes, I suffered through that), no woman "assistants" on the altar dressed in vestments. Gimmeeee that old time religion.....

Just a kick ass pipe organ with bass tones that shake the building and a choir. And the altar hasn't been stripped of marble and turned into some modern abstract art piece.

And get off my lawn and altar.......and yer guitars too...........psychadelic relics.

pludodog: mccallcl: How about "Taaaake this bread and driiiink this cup..."

The Eucharistic hymns are the worst.


This may be for you.

Oh Jesus Christ-

1. Come to the Feast
2. Gather Us In
3. Sing Out, Earth and Skies

That shiat is horrible. To me, it's the audio equivalent of the woodcut-style "blocky people standing around with their necks at weird angles" illustrations in the Missals.

Bestbank Tiger: Latin is better because it takes you out of your normal routine. The vernacular can't do that.

Does someone send up some kind of Opus Dei signal that is invisible to the rest of us? Where are you guys when I am in here by myself trying to defend my Church from 500 farkers at once?

Great headline, subby.

/MAOLAY

mccallcl: Red Shirt Blues: I grit my teeth at mass when I hear the putrid, syrupy vomit spewed out these days.

MORNING HAS BRO-KEN LIKE THE FIRST MOR-NING

BLACKBIRD HAS SPOKEN

LIKE THE FIRST BIRD

mccallcl:

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: And the worst thing about this is that I wanted to fire back another dopey obnoxious campfire canticle but now I can't get this one out of my head.

How about "Taaaake this bread and driiiink this cup..."

The Eucharistic hymns are the worst.

While y'all are at it:

We come to share our storyyyyyyyyyyy. We come to break the breeeeead. We come to know our rising from the deeeeeeead.

/that's not all folks, I got plenty more if ya want!
//here all night

mccallcl: [MusicMakeMyHeadPound: And the worst thing about this is that I wanted to fire back another dopey obnoxious campfire canticle but now I can't get this one out of my head.]

How about "Taaaake this bread and driiiink this cup..."

The Eucharistic hymns are the worst.

That one I'm not immediately familiar with, so ha!

Though you have a good point - I remember one whose stanza goes, "When we eat this bread / when we drink this wine / we'll be with our Savior / till the end of time"

If you don't know the song then good for you. The lyrics alone are Nickelback-worthy but the tune is infectious.

I have to admit I like the cultural guilt songs like "Uyai mose" (sound sample; pops) and "Siyahamba" :P Those are fun

linuxubergeek:
What, not inspired by the McLean Bible Church (pops) on the radio?

/"Not a sermon -- just a thought!" Yeah, right, you lying sack of monkey feces.


I hate that man beyond all measure. I'm thinking of getting satellite radio. :)

Meow Mix:
/that's not all folks, I got plenty more if ya want!
//here all night

I am going to make a Chase&Status-style drum and bass remix of Morning Has Broken.

Say I won't, Motherfarker!

mccallcl: Meow Mix:
/that's not all folks, I got plenty more if ya want!
//here all night

I am going to make a Chase&Status-style drum and bass remix of Morning Has Broken.

Say I won't, Motherfarker!

LOL...that would be awesome! Mix in some "On Eagle's Wings" and you've got yourself a new hit for the next CYO dance

mccallcl: Does someone send up some kind of Opus Dei signal that is invisible to the rest of us? Where are you guys when I am in here by myself trying to defend my Church from 500 farkers at once?

You're never alone. We're all here, brother.

catholici iuvenes missae latinae se advertunt

Makes sense. The Latin mass has more symbolism than the Vatican II mass.

Latin:

The priest has his back to the congregation, and he faces the altar, so that his back is never to the communion.

Remember the line: don't throw pearls before swine lest they trample them under their feet? In the Latin mass, a plate is held under your chin when you receive the communion, to keep pieces of it from falling to the ground and getting "trampled" when the congregation leaves.

Among other differences...

Once upon a time, mass in Rome was the same in the U.S. as in Brazil as in Africa as in Asia...

Q: What's God's telephone number?
A: Etcum Spirit 2-2-0

/oldie but moldie
//thank you, i'll be here every sunday
///don't forget to tip your collection plate and try the host

rvagirl81: I hate that man beyond all measure. I'm thinking of getting satellite radio. :)

I did, and in no small measure because of him. Best investment I ever made, entertainment-wise. And the traffic on XM, at least, is no worse than WTOP.

mikaloyd: The tree huggin hippies want that same thing. Small world.

actually the middle ages were a pretty harsh time to be the environment. the hippies want back to neolithic era civilization, except with abortion clinics, and no jesus, definitely no jesus.

The only word in this headline that's actually a part of the Catholic liturgy is "assmay."

As in "Now, Billy, your assmay be a little sore for a couple of days..."

Latin Mass, why?

During the reign of Charlemagne "Charles the Great" there was a movement to standardize christianity because the mass had been translated into many of the provincial tongues, and while doing so many aspects of the faith were changed. It was believed by Charlemagne that if people did not all worship the same way and have the same belief then the Catholic church would fail.
Charles gathered together all of the assorted Masses together and had the leaders of the church debate and coordinate until a single form of Mass in Latin was devised.

One of the main reasons for leaving it in archaic roman Latin was that language was not growing and changing as “Italian” or “French” or other languages of the time, thus the pronunciation of the words would remain the same, the definitions of the words would remain the same throughout the Catholic dominated world.

It also should be noted that even among the members of the clergy reading of the “whole” bible did not become common until books were being produced with mechanical printing devices, rather a priest, deacon, or monk would receive instruction from a higher up and have texts of specific passages that he would repeat to his “flock” Not understanding the words of Christ, and the ideas and ideals behind the writings in the bible are the foundations of such things as Calvinism (as practiced by Republicans), come on, if a man cannot be led to checking sources of information in order to claim “science is divided on global warming!” or further claim that “most people in the middle ages thought the world was flat” when clearly based on Aristotelian understanding of the Universe they thought it round…. Why would he read the bible or make any attempt and understanding what he might believe is the absolute unquestionable word of his god?

Red Shirt Blues: No hippy music. No barefoot dancing ladies sprinkling holy water (yes, I suffered through that),

That's actually liturgical abuse. I have (thank God!) never seen it, but the thought of it makes me shudder.

and i will raaaaaaise you up on eeeeagles wings/beeeaaar them oooon the break of dawwwn *puke*

..and we will build the city of Gooooood! *puke*

and my very favorite:

I have fixed my eyes on your hills/Jeruuuuu-salem my destineeeeeeee! *technicolor yawn everywhere* (this last sung with drums with a militaristic feel--bleh)

There's some puketastic so-called liturgical music out there, not the least of which includes the tortuous triumvirate of tripe: Haugen, Haas and Cooney (and Haugen isn't even Catholic!!!). On top of this crap, nothing can be worse than having to sing or hear the faux-African hymn Siyahamba. I never want to hear or sing that ever again.

Now, don't get me wrong: I'm a Vatican II kid. There are some half-decent songs out there. With the right priest and parish, the Novus Ordo is a beautiful Mass. However, when the Communion song begins with a bone-jarring drum riff, we're going to have a talk. That said, I go to the Latin Mass on an irregular basis. I love the quiet, the reverence, the music that feeds the soul and sets the tone for prayer and contemplation. It soothes the nerves agitated by liturgical abuse.

//Hail Holy Queen
/Salve Regina
/Ave Maria (Schubert)
///food for the soul

In Nomeni Patri Et Fili Spiritus Sancti

Tell me these aren't a vast improvement:

http://www.shrinesf.org/images/paternoster.wav
http://www.shrinesf.org/images/gloria.wav
http://www.shrinesf.org/images/credo.wav
http://www.shrinesf.org/images/sanctus.wav

Breathtaking.