Dolphins centered mock draft> Posted by Omar Kelly at 12:40:00 AM

Since the Dolphins front office is conducting mock drafts on a weekly basis to get a good sense of where they are, and what the rest of the league might do, I figured it would be a wise idea to put one together also.

I'm only doing the first round, taking you up to the Dolphins selection at No. 32. But I'll also provide three targets for each of the teams picks that follows.

To improve the process I won't be doing the first eight selections on my own. I'll actually be using the assistance of fellow NFL beat writers, who honestly have a better idea of what their teams are doing, need, and are looking for in prospects. CLICK HERE to check out the media mocks we've done, and read why each pick was made.

1. DOLPHINS: OT Jake Long, Michigan

2. RAMS: DE Chris Long, Virginia

3. FALCONS: DT Glenn Dorsey, LSU

4. RAIDERS: RB Darren McFadden, Arkansas

5. CHIEFS: OT Ryan Clady, Boise

6. JETS: DE/LB Vernon Gholston, Ohio State

7. PATRIOTS: DT Sedrick Ellis, USC (totally disagree here, but it's not my pick)

8. RAVENS: QB Matt Ryan, Boston College

This is where I take over fully, but there is one disclaimer: All eight of the above teams are very interested in trading down, and I'm absolutely positive New England will.

9. BENGALS: DE Derrick Harvey (Florida) helps generate QB pressure for this flat defense.

10. SAINTS: CB Leodis McKelvin (Troy) is needed as a CB and returner.

11. BILLS: CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie (Tennessee State) is my favorite player in this draft.

12. DENVER: LB Keith Rivers (USC) prevents this unit from being exposed again. Might be moved inside, allowing D.J. Williams to remain as an outside linebacker.

13. PANTHERS: OG Branden Alberts (Virginia) will come in and be an immediate starter as a guard or tackle.

14. BEARS: OT Jeff Otah (Pittsburgh) Chicago wants another running back, but need offensive linemen more. The Bears can find a tailback later in the draft.

15. LIONS: LB Jerod Mayo (Tennessee) is moving up the draft board fast, and Detroit might fall into the trap. I personally don't think Tennessee players make good pros.

16. CARDINALS: RB Rashard Mendenhall (Illinois) would be a great replacement for Edgerrin James, who is running out of tread on those tires.

17. VIKINGS: DE Phillip Merling (Clemson) provides a much needed pass rusher. I'm tempted to go quarterback here, but the Vikings will likely give Tarvaris Jackson one more season to show what he's got.

18. TEXANS: OT Chris Williams (Vanderbilt) fits perfectly into Alex Gibbs' zone blocking schemes.

19. EAGLES: WR Devin Thomas (Michigan State) finally provides Donovan McNabb that big play receiver he's been begging for.

20. BUCCANEERS: CB Mike Jenkins (South Florida), a local product, helps address Tampa Bay's aging secondary.

21. REDSKINS: DE Calais Campbell (Miami) was coached at UM by newly hired Redskins defensive line coach John Palermo, and in their one season together Palermo had Campbell firing like a well-oiled machine (10.5 sacks). Palermo, a technician, loved Campbell, and will fight on his behalf.

22. COWBOYS: RB Felix Jones (Arkansas) isn't Darren McFadden, but he'll provide Jerry Jones that Razorback fix. The Cowboys already have a physical grinder in Marion Barber, so Jones will be the change of pace option.

23. STEELERS: OT Gosder Cherilus (Boston College). The Steelers just invested $100 million in quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, so a physical lineman is needed to supplement the line.

24. TITANS: WR Limas Sweed (Texas). The Titans have a lot invested in quarterback Vince Young and need to surround him with a couple more weapons.

25. SEAHAWKS: DT Kentwan Balmer (UNC). It's going to be hard to find quality defensive tackles in this draft, so Seattle pounces on the best defensive lineman available.

26. JAGUARS: DE Lawrence Jackson (USC) is a bit of a reach, but Jacksonville desperately needs to fill some holes in the defensive front. Auburn's Quentin Groves could also be an option.

27. CHARGERS: CB Brandon Flowers (Virginia Tech) will compliment the secondary. The Chargers don't have many draft picks so this one better count. Safety Kenny Phillips is also a good fit.

28. COWBOYS: CB Aqib Talib (Kansas) has character concerns, but the Cowboys aren't scared to take risks. Acquiring Pac Man Jones could change this pick.

29. 49ERS: DE Quentin Groves (Auburn) fits into San Francisco's 3-4 scheme as either a defensive end, or pass rushing linebacker. The 49ers also need offensive line help, but will likely address that later.

30. PACKERS: OT Sam Baker (USC) has the versatility to play tackle and guard. Green Bay might also take Arizona's Antoine Cason, the best available cornerback, or a quarterback like Chad Henne or Joe Flacco to challenge Aaron Rodgers.

31. GIANTS: S Kenny Phillips (Miami) addresses the Giants biggest need, proving Sammy Knight, the stopgap, a young talent to groom. The Giants might also target offensive linemen, but it's unlikely that any of top tier guys will be available.

SECOND ROUND

32. DOLPHINS: QB Chad Henne (Michigan) is a luxury pick, but what better way to find the next franchise quarterback than filling the roster with three young arms (John Beck, Josh McCown and a 2008 draftee) to battle it out. You know I love Delaware's Joe Flacco, but I'm going off what I believe is the second rated QB on the Dolphins board.

Three candidates for pick No. 57

1. LB Dan Connor, Penn State - An instinctive tackling machine. Likely won't be around here, but if he is the Dolphins pounce.

2. WR James Hardy, Indiana - Character concerns could take him off the Dolphins draft board, but he's an elite talent, and has the size the Trifecta likes. This one needs some serious investigating.

3. DT Trevor Laws, Notre Dame - Small for NG, but his motor could allow him to make the transition to 3-4 DE. He caught the Dolphins eye at the Senior Bowl, but is a little on the short side.

THIRD ROUND

1. TE Martellus Bennett, Texas A&M. While there are maturity issues here, this former basketball standout could turn out to be the elite tight end of this draft class. However, Notre Dame's John Carlson might be more fitting.

2. CB Tracy Porter, Indiana. Good athlete who has a habit of finding the ball (registered 16 interceptions in four years). Must prove he's tough, but he did bench press 225 pounds 18 times.

3. OT Duane Brown, Virginia Tech. His stock is rising fast, but if he's around in round three he might be a good investment considering it would be wise to add two tackles since Vernon Carey and Julius Wilson are presently the only ones on the roster.

FOURTH ROUND

1. OG  John Greco, Toledo. This is about the time the Dolphins start searching for a starting left guard. Greco is big, strong, durable, and a leader, which is what the Trifecta is looking for.

2. LB Cliff Avril, Purdue. Athletic enough to be a promising outside linebacker, but he'll need time to develop, and learn the position.

3. DE Kendall Langford, Hampton. He has the build and quickness to eventually play end in the 3-4 once he learns the technique. He might also grow into a nose guard because of his frame. If he's not the pick then Texas A&M's Red Bryant, a nose guard candidate, needs to be explored.

SIXTH ROUND (Two picks in this round)

1. LB Kroy Biermann, Montana. The Division I-AA Player of the Year has the combine number to match his eye-opening productivity.

2. TE Brad Cottom, Tennessee. This Senior Bowl standout will likely be long gone by this point, but I had to list him somewhere. A more likely candidate in this round might be Louisville's Gary Barnidge.

3. OG Chad Rinehart, Northern Iowa. If the Dolphins don't hit on Greco, or another guard in round four, they'll need to focus on getting another interior lineman with the first pick in the sixth round.

SEVENTH ROUND (Two picks in this round)

1. WR Mario Urrutia, Louisville. If the Dolphins haven't picked up a Keyshawn Johnson cone by now it should be a priority in the draft's final round. Urrutia, who came out as a junior, is 6-foot-6, but runs a 4.6.

2. OG Mike Gibson, California. He had a nice showing at the combine, and the East-West Shrine game, and has experience at tackle.

3. RB Tim Hightower, Richmond. Tough, physical inside running who could also fill in as a fullback because of his stout body. The Dolphins need to add a tailback late in the draft so he can be stashed on the practice squad. However, a good one might be available up after the final round of cuts. The same can apply for receivers.

This is my first attempt at a mock draft, so go easy on me. I'll give you my second version next Saturday.

Deuces.

Comments

[stella]

like all of the picks except henne

[Mitch]

I guarantee Miami will not pick a QB in the 2nd. It makes no sense. You picked one last year ! The team needs talent everywhere, a rookie QB will not help this team this year ! Besides, the media says you're a bust unless you go to the pro bowl and since no rookie QB will so dquat in Miami this year, then we'll have to pick another one in '09 obviously and '10, '11 ect.

[daboy_J]

Omar, get over your QB crush. The dolphins arent taking one this year, at least not in the first 5 rounds. Why? Because its a waste of a pick. The notion that a young arm to groom is a good idea sounds nice, but how much grooming did John Beck do last year prior to being thrust into the lineup? Hardly any. When youre the third string QB you get no reps in practice past training camp, no playing time, you basically watch film, signal in plays and hold a clipboard. Bottom line: Drafting a QB means NOT drafting a pass rush specialist (Groves), a starting caliber CB (Flowers,Talib), an inside LB (Mayo, Lofton), etc. All of those players would help the team immediately, especially with depth and on special teams. Henne, Flacco, and the like will not do ANYTHING to help the team this year, or anytime before John Beck has a chance to sink or swim. If there was a Peyton Manning or Carson Palmer out there I'd agree with drafting him, but for a bad team to spend a high pick on project QB with no chance of starting is the height of irresponsibility. I'd expect any GM who did so to be fired. The dolphins can use players at OG, OT, TE, WR, ILB,OLB,DE, CB, and S. Basically everywhere. They dont have the "luxury" of spending valuble picks and valuable cash on players who MIGHT contribute at some unknown point in the future. Besides, is there a QB in this draft better than John Beck is right now? I dont think so.

[omar]

give beck and MCown a year to prove themselves.

Give Henne or Flacco a season to learn and develop.

If Beck or McCown establish themselves as a good starter you trade Henne or Flacco for the exact same second rounded you used to take him.

If they don't establish themselves you break the wrapping and use the drafted QB.

[Dave2183]

I really don't want Jake Long! I think he will be another Robert Gallery and after watching the Super Bowl I believe the most important thing is defensive pressure up front. I'm really hoping the pick is Chris Long or Gholston.

[daboy_J]

1st Round- Vernon Gholston.
If he plays to his potential, he'll be a perrenial pro bowler.

2nd Round (a)- Carl Nicks OT Nebraska. Put him at RT and leave Carey at LT, at least for this year.
(b)Brandon Flowers CB VTech/Patrick Lee CB Auburn

3rd Round- (Trade down for extra picks) If not, Tyrell Johnson S Arkansas St.

4th Round-Chilo Rachal G USC

5th Round-Phillip Wheeler ILB Georgia Tech

6th Round(a) Kellen davis TE Michigan St (b)Chad Rhinehart OL Northern Iowa

[quentin]

tennessee players don't make good pros??

peyton manning
jamal lewis
john henderson
dante stallworth
chad clifton
eric parker
jason witten
travis henry
gibril wilson
al wilson

from 2000-2005, tennessee had more players in the pros than any other college.

[Valandui]

I think Jordy Nelson is one of the more interesting players in the draft and we should go after him. He reminds me a lot of Wes Welker. He has also played at defensive back and quarterback, so he's a very versatile player.

[John123]

Daboy_J,

The Dolphins won't be going anywhere until they find a QB. I like Beck but he is 27 and hasn't proven anything yet. He should be given his shot but again the Dolphins HAVE to find a QB. The Dolphins have 2 QBs on their roster which should tell you that at some point they are drafting a QB. I for one would welcome some competition for Beck and a safety net should he fail. I hardly call a team without a legitimate starting QB drafting a young QB in the 2nd round a "wasted" pick or a "luxury" pick. Let them have at it in training camp and let the best man win. I just didn't think it should be Matt Ryan with the #1 overall pick. I would prefer Brohm over Henne though.

I think a team will trade up with the Chargers to grab Brohm or Flacco.

[John123]

For better or worse Albert Haynesworth DT TEnn is also a vol.

I'm just not a fan of Tenn Wrs... or at least the most recent ones.. They all seem soft and are always injured. Meachem seems to be on that track.

[13kvfins]

1 OT JAKE,2 DT Laws,2b DE/OLB Avril,3 G Rachal,4 CB Lee,5 to come TE Finley, 6a WR,6b Ainge or O Connell 7a "D",7b "D"or OL.... I'll get the names of 6a,7a,b b/4 the day comes..TE,and CB pks may need to be reversed,or the names may be changed to protect the innocent..

Posted by: 13kvfins | April 12, 2008 at 12:48 AM
Hope Sean,and Jeremy don't get mad for convincing me away from Brohm who's not likely to be @ 32 anyways!! I stole T Laws from them,after they enlightened me to him,and I reviewed!!Sorry guys,but I gave you full credit!!But didn't change w'out my own research... Thanks 4 your help!!!

[Doc's Sports Picks Guru]

I think Henne would be a steal in Round 2. Yes, he had some injury issues, but the kid is a player. There is a recent track record of Michigan QB's with success in the NFL, and with Henne it's not about attitude or arm strength. I think that's a great call.

[13kvfins]

I like Daboyj's except for 1 and 3..

[Jeremy]

John123,

There are actually four QBs on the roster. But as I think Omar has previously stated...most likely arms for training camp..so I agree that we need a QB but hopefully they have found some "under the radar" talent to acquire late.

[Jeremy]

13kvfins,

Go to the last blog and read my piece on Avril...it was posted within the last half hour...I think you may take him off your board as well. But maybe not. I just do not want to repost the same thing on two of Omar's canvases...lol

[Sanj]

I believe the easiest way to have a successful nfl team is to use your higher picks EACH year on one ol/dt and one qb EACH year.
EACHHH!!!!

[Daryl]

I have to disagree with Mitch at the top. They have to draft a QB in the second to get have another guy learning the system in case things dont workout with Beck. Taking into consideration next yrs class of QBs is below average they have to pull the trigger or be even further behind if they're wrong about Mr Beck. Its been way too long since the Phins have had stability at QB and i'm of the opinion you dont stop looking until you find your guy and he has proven himself we don not have that.

Also forget about this season don't look at it as he won't help this year who cares it Beck's turn to sink or swim. Plus there are other rookies who wont make a major impact this season who will be drafted by the Trifecta all be it after round two but same applies this will not be a one yr turn around so don't look at it that way!

I like it all the way to the end Omar there are some different names I'm hoping for after we pick Henne

[JinVA]

Hey Dave2183...why do some of you continue to see only ONE side of the ball?

The Giants didn't win the SB ONLY because they could pressure the QB. The also controlled the Patriot's D, ran the boat with three different backs with ease, and were able to control the ball long enough to play keep away.

We can already pressure the QB!

You gotta win in the trenches on BOTH sides of the ball, and with our players and FA...the side that needs the most help now by far is our OFFENSIVE LINE.

[omar]

What did you say about avril jeremy? I don't want to fish it out of the last blog.

[daryl in Charlotte]

I like CB Antoine Cason with the 32nd pick! Great upside and I hear Jeff Ireland loves this kid. If Joe Flacco is there at 57 than take him. If not lets get another O-lineman. I have confidence in Beck with a solid offensive line and running game! Quinten Groves @32 would be a option too!

[juan7248]

NT is still a need for Miami.

Jason Ferguson is over 30, with injuries & a suspension in his past. He is not a long term solution. He is a stopgap, just like K Traylor was.

Paul Soliai did next to nothing as a rookie. It's too early to give up on him, but you can't count on a big contribution either.

IMO, Randy Starks is more of a 3-4 end than a true NT.

The Dolphins need to come out of this draft with another young player to add to the NT mix. In addition to Red Bryant, here are a few of other Day 2 NT's to keep in mind:

Antyba Rubin - Iowa State - 6'3 315 - Not full size yet, but has great natural power & will be over 330 in a year or so & be ready to go

Frank Okam -Texas - 6'4 347 - very bright, gifted kid with an underacheiver tag.

Jason Shirley - 6'5 338 - Most physically talented NT in this draft but is a big character risk (He got drunk & drove a car into a building in college) However, he is well worth the risk with a late pick (Rd 5 thru 7)

[omar]

Soliai did next to nothing because there wasn't anyone experienced to teach him. I think he'll get another shot at it.

[Tommya]

Jeremy,
Avril missed one game in 2005 because of what was called a lower back injury.

By the way, he played DE at Purdue, so it's pretty miraculous that an injured undersized guy went two years without missing a game and piled up these stats:
"Avril piled up 125 tackles (30 for losses), 12.5 sacks, six forced fumbles, two interceptions (one that he returned 43 yards for a score) and 11 pass breakups"

This guy is a steal in the fourth round. And you are just biased for no reason at all.

[Jeremy]

omar,

Avril fractured his lower back a few years ago and never underwent surgery. To me that is high risk...I think we all know how back problems can be a consistently nagging occurrence. Could he be an exception? Sure. Just more risk than I am willing to take on.

[Pramis]

Omar, very good good of doing a mock draft, as you offered good research into the selection process, such as Washington's motives for having an interest in C. Cambell from UM. I agree with your top two Dolphin picks, in Long and Henne.

[Jeremy]

I will also add that I am (obviously) not a doctor but a fractured lower back sounds pretty sever to me. From personal experience, seeing my father, friends, and others deal with back injuries that can cause problems forever once they occur. I think in what is arguably the most violent sport in the world, I reiterate too much risk for me.

[Jeremy]

Tommya,

You do present facts there but so did I. And sure he only missed one game; but he also missed most of all of the pre-season the following year to allow his back more time for recovery. But if you do some more research you will find that it is also a fact that he fractured his lower back. So you can claim that I am biased for no reason at all but I have presented facts that caused me to take the guy off my board. Nothing more. Tell me, what it were to be presented as a moral issue...would you change your mind? Do you think Trent Green should continue playing. I personally think he should have never even considered it after his last incident. So I do not want him for the risk involved as well as his own well-being.

[juan7248]

"Soliai did next to nothing because there wasn't anyone experienced to teach him. I think he'll get another shot at it"

Keith Traylor wasn't experienced?

[Johnny]

I think Kevin Smith in the 3rd or 4th rd because of the injury's to Brown and Ricky.
And Kevin O Connel later in the draft if they even go for a QB.

[Tommya]

Jeremy,
Proof of your bias is this:
when I read your post it sounded as if he had a broken back and missed an entire year. You never said he injured his back in midseason 2005 missed only one game and played out the entire year.

You also said he never had surgery as if doctors told him he needed surgery to repair it, and he decided not to take the doctor's advise. Well, I researched it and found that NO physician ever told him the back fracture required surgery.

On top of that you never mentioned that the injury was considered a fracture long after it occurred, meaning it was such a small fracture it wasn't even noticed until after numerous exams and tests.

All of this explains YOUR bias very well.

[Sean]

Omar,

Nice mock draft! If the draft went (switching it up a little) Jake Long, Dan Connor, Trevor Laws, Tracy Porter, and John Greco I think I would piss myself (out of joy of course). Nice work! Also, are you saying that Traylor was out for himself (maybe everyone was last season to try and save their jobs)? Anyway if you have time I would love to hear an explanation.

If Avril indeed has back problems then I would be very concerned. I suffered a small crack in my L5 in high school when I srewed up in the pole vault. I don't have acute pain but if I squat too much weight or do certain things it aggravates my back.

[MJZ]

I would hope the Fins pick more O Lineman in the higher rounds rather than fishing for guys in the 6th and 7th. How about a higher quality Guard in round two? Or is there not much dif in quality between a round 2 or 3 guard and a round 6 or 7?

[td]

Quentin said:
"from 2000-2005, tennessee had more players in the pros than any other college.

Mhh....What about UM?

[Vinbob]

I like the Henne pick...just look at the value of backups around the league that become starters, eg. Schaub/Anderson, plus we haven't had a qb in 8 years, so why not try here.

[Ant the Rant]

Sorry, I have been following the posts the last few days, but isn't the contract negotiations with Gholston just talk to entice another team (i.e. Rams, Jets) to trade up to get him? Is that obvious or could the Phins really do interested in him?

I hoping for Jake Long, btw.

[Ant the Rant]

I know there's typo police here, so take it easy on my last post. A little rereading goes a long way, I know.

[Sean]

Vinbob,

Nice post about the quarterbacks but it does not justify taking a QB in the second as your two examples Anderson was undrafted and Schaub very late in the 3rd round (27th pick). Picking up a QB is a good idea but maybe not so high.

[Sean]

Ant the Rant,

I don't think that Miami is really interested in drafting Gholston, not that high anyway. I think it is a way to lower the contract agreement of Jake IMHO.

[Glenn]

Omar, this is the first time that I have added to your blog but I just wanted to say, Great Job! Your thoughts are always clear and well written, thank you. Your the best. Now having said that I also would like to add that the wild card for this draft could be Jason Taylor. If one of those late drafting 1st round teams ie: the Chargers or Cowboys decide to give us their pick then that could change the whole complexion of the draft. If that occurs then I would definately use the first 2nd on a QB and the new first to accumulate more picks. I think that this is a very likely occurence as the Chargers are likely to think, hhmmm merriman and taylor...look out pats. The cowboys have the luxury of 2 1st's and need a better pass rush to get to the next level.

[nomuzlimprez]

DABOY has given EVERYONE the most valuable thought on how to select with a hi pick in the draft. DABOY said..........

"If he plays to his potential, he could be a pro bowler!!"

NEVER, and i mean NEVER select ANYONE in the top 20 pics if they have "if he plays up to his potential" in front of him. you DONT take a player that hi and pay them 40+ million if your HOPING they play to potential. and that is why vernon gholson is going to DROP in the draft.

JOHN123: is right. everyone wants a qb, and whines that we dont have one, but NEVER want to do anything about it!

every year, dont draft a qb, it is proven, in [place draft spot here] that qb's are always a bust. and the good 'ol, qb's from [that school] never make it. so NO drafting one. thats out!

then free agency comes around its the old...dont spend the money on a qb, it's a proven fact that....etc....

so, we shouldnt draft one. and we shouldnt pay one in free agency.

AND THAT IS WHY we are STILL looking for a qb TODAY, just as we were 6 years ago, 3 year ago, this year, and the way fans are acting, next year and the next 3 after that!!!

stock piling qb's is esential!! gives you a better chance of finding the right guy, gives you injury insurance, competition, and qb' [talented ones] are ALWAYS good trade bait!!

RON WOLFE, the genious talent evaluator from the packers who is widely considered the guru of qb talent ALWAYS took AT LEAST ONE qb EVERY year!

and they have ALWAYS had exellent back ups to farve, and most of those back ups ended up being great trade and those went to the pro bowl on other teams! [hasselbeck, etc...]

LONG story short, we wont find one unless bring one in.

[Krillian]

Omar,

I like all of your other picks(although a lot of them probably won't be around at the time of their selection- still I like how you have 3 options for each).
However, I disagree and will be very disappointed if we go with the Henne pick. It's a waste of a pick at a point in the draft where we can seriously improve our team.

Assuming we select Jake Long:

Dan Connor would be perfect in this slot...he had a very impressive Pro Day that quieted critics about his athleticism, and he's proven on the field that he can flat out play. But instead, we'll draft Henne as a luxury pick? That just doesn't make sense to me? Before the combine he was slated for the middle of the first round...I think picking him up there would be good value(he'll def. be gone by 57.

Another non-stop machine is Calais who would be solid at the #2. Don't know if his pass rushing is elite, but I like his strength, power, effort and size, and I think he'll push into the pocket and be solid against the run from the End position. He fits the Trifecta mold to a tee.

Let's add competition to the qb in the later rounds with someone who could return high value. We have our 2nd round qb, so let's invest in some talent around him.

I'll admit that I'm very worried about Henne b/c I know that BP and company are giving him a hard look. I trust their judgment more than my own, but I can't help thinking that I'll be a little disappointed in 2 weeks if the Henne pick follows through.

[Sean]

Omar,

Why does it seem like we are looking more for OLB instead of an ILB? Does the TriTuna have more confidence in Crowder and Torber than Taylor and Porter? Unless we trade JT I don't know why it would be a bigger need.

[Krillian]

Nomuzlimprez,

You always have to draft with while considering does this player worth the current pick's value. Now, I don't disagree reviewing the qb prospects and choosing one(every year even) is valuable to your club, but I do have issue with using it THIS year at the 32 slot with Chad Henne.

The qb prospects this year are somewhat disappointing, and I just don't think Henne's attributes/qualifications/health indicate the kind of value/trade that we should be getting at the #32 pick. Plus, as a secondary concern(filling needs should always be a secondary concern) he doesn't currently fill a need on a team that has MANY of them!

You never mentioned Henne, or anyone in particular, but since he's the guy on Omar's board I thought your argument might have stemmed from that. Maybe not though, so I was wondering who you like at QB and where?

[Jeremy]

Tommya,

All your post explains is your bias towards my post...lol. I did not insinuate nor suggest any of what you claim. I posted facts and nothing more. Good job on being proactive and doing some research. But none of what you say will change my opinion of the risk factor. In fact most of what you brought up is completely irrelevant to the point I made backed up with facts.

[Fishypete]

Remember size!!

1- J.Long

2- C. Campbell

2b- C. Nicks

[lacenaire]

1. Jake Long OT
2a. Dan Connor LB
2b. Chad Henne QB
3. Roy Schuening OG
4. Lavelle Hawkins WR
6a. Kroy Bierman LB
6b. Darnell Terrell CB
7a. Michael Cox FB
7b. Bobbie Williams S

[Krillian]

Daryl in Charlotte,

Couldn't agree more with your post. Cason would be solid, but I've kind of stopped reviewing CBs in the short term b/c most of what I read indicates that BP won't be looking for a corner in the early rounds. There might be some value-add corners in the 3rd or 4th round though. I personally think Patrick Lee or Brandon Flowers fit more into the brand of player the Trifecta are looking for. Both are strong and tough corners and one of them might slip that far...

[Krillian]

Fishypete,

I like those picks...that would be $$$. I'm still holding onto the dream that we take Chris Long and jump on the OL in the second and third round, but if Jake's the man, those are quality.

[Jeremy]

Thank you Sean (hoever sorry to hear about your back problems I know they can be excruciating) ...maybe Tommya will read your post in reference to your back and "back" off....hahah I crack myself up
*sound of crickets*
woah tough crowd

Also in reference to your question about OLB and ILB...I am of the opinion that yes they do have confidence in Crowder and Torbor (yet will still continue to bring in more competition). We are also at the beginning of a rebuilding phase...and you have to admit that JT and Porter are on their way out. You have to get their replacements in and begin grooming them. Not to mention get them in while they have good mentors to teach them the ins and outs of the position at the pro level.

[Jeremy]

Krillian,

Do not worry you are not alone...my personal favorite 1/2 punch would be Long/Nicks. I believe that Nicks will stil be there at 32...of course we make our pick who knows what crazy things will occur.

[randy]

I think you have to try to hit on a QB every year. But, I don't think that means you pick one in the top 3 Rds., necessarily. The Fins are going through a draft cycle where they're just adding as many good bodies as they can to upgrade their overall talent level. This type of management allows you to go after a QB in Rd 2 or 3 if you really think he has the potential to become a good pro b/c you still have another couple years to keep adding good players at other positions through upcoming drafts. I think there are a couple guys I'd take in the 2nd or 3rd Rd. if they were available, but it would depend on what other players were also available at that spot. From my understanding there aren't a lot of potentially great QBs coming out of college in the next couple years; although i don't think you can predict more than a couple years into the future. So, if that's true, you might take a shot this year earlier in the draft than you might otherwise.

[Sean]

Jeremy,

Funny stuff! Thanks for your imput on my question to Omar. I never really have seen Torber in action and I have questions about Crowder but they are young so I see what you are saying, whereas Porter and JT....well, their best years are behind them. Thinking of it like that makes more sense to me. I also guess there is more of a premium on a player that can really get after the QB so you want to pull the trigger on a guy like that. Nice call on Trevor Laws. I've liked him for a while and had him on my early mocks but nobody has been talking about him so thanks for bringing more the the table about him. I don't know if he is a BP guy and we are currently looking at Pat Sims and Darrell Robertson but we'll see.

[Sean]

Omar,

Do you know if dolphin brass has interest in Trevor laws?

[Krillian]

Jeremy,

Okay now we're getting to my IDEAL-IDEAL, IMO. Ha. Still waiting for that article where they talk to Chris Long's agent. And waiting...And waiting. Omar could you atleast make something up to appease me? Oh wait, then you might get fired...nevermind.

[Eddie...]

Omar, I like your thinking.

McCown seems to be a temporary starter until a Franchise QB can emerge.
I think the Henne/Flacco decision is very interesting (if the Dolphins have that choice to make). Does selecting Henne say they have very little confidence in Beck despite Sparano's praise of his work ethic? Isn't Flacco be a better draft choice as he has more star potential and could develop into a starter by the time McCown's contract is up and the jury comes in on Beck? I see Henne being able to compete immediately for the starting job given the collegiate offense he ran and his intelligence level. How does Beck handle that as the No. 3?

As far as drafting a TE, I think Carlson from ND may be ahead of Bennett on the Dolphins' list.

[Ed]

I don't know what the trifecta if going to do any more than the rest of you, including Omar, but this is my guess. They are not convinced that Beck is or is not the loong term solution at QB. They know they have to solve that hole at qb. They will not go with a qb high because beck may be the answer and if you draft someone in the top 10 you must play them sooner rather than later. If beck flops they have to have his potential replacement on hand already and with a year to have already learned the system. They will therefore draft a qb with the 32 nd pick to make sure they get their guy at qb for the future and not what is left. I agree with the comments made that is you don't have a qb already established on your team it can't be a wated pick to select a player at the most important position fairly high. I think they do draft a sure thing at #1 and will not get a good enough offer to trade it. It is J. Long there. I think they do trade taylor for a 2 and a 4 or 5. He is worth more than that but not to a team that is several years away from contending. I take Flacco or Brohm(if he is there) at 32 and with the two other second round picks take an OL to replace Taylor and another LB or Cb depending on value available. I would then keep the pick at the top of the 3rd and take an OG like Greco or the best TE still on the board. With the two fourths I would take either the OG or TE depending on what we got in the 3rd and then pick up another lb or cb if I got two lbs in the 2nd. The last 5 picks would be depth at Wr, RB and the lines.

[Ed]

hey Omar,

have you heard what the trifecta like so much about Henne? What attributes make him attractive? He would not appear to have the size they prefer in a QB.

[Sean]

Ed,

Not sure I agree with you on that. To me its like (I know its different because more is invested) taking Eli Manning in the first round and after he struggles the first year taking another first round QB just in case he doesn't pan out. I know the comparison is off but remember Beck was taken high in the second round so there is not a first round investment in him but it is still significant. Of course, things could be different because there is a new regime and they weren't the ones that picked him. That is the only reason I would see them take another QB in the second. Of course, if a QB they have rated really high on there board falls and there is nobody else they value picking that high without reaching (improbable) and they cannot trade down then I can see a QB being taken as well. I can't think of any other reasons right now that would seem logical to me.

[Tommya]

Jeremy,
The funny thing with Avril is you drop him off your draft board and the Patriots bring him in for a visit. Nuff said. :-p

[Jeremy]

Sean,

I did not think it was that funny...but maybe my thoughts were persuaded by the sound of crickets. (more lackluster dry humor) HA!

Torbor played at a much higher level than anyone had prognosticated or even dreamed last season. Crowder I believe also did well considering our season. But what really gave me confidence in Crowder is how highly Zach Thomas spoke of his abilities. Not to mention he got to be mentored by ZT! He may not spend as much time in the film room as ZT but at least he had that influence so lets hope some of it carries over.

Krillian,

*DISCLAIMER* the following is a false story created by myself to appease the man that posts under the moniker Krillian *DISCLAIMER*

Dolphins call in Chris Long to negotiate in hopes of having a contract signed today

*DISCLAIMER* the above statement was false, created by myself to appease the man that posts under the moniker Krillian *DISCLAIMER*

OK as you can see I am bored as hell. I am going rock climbing so enjoy your Saturday peeps!

[Krillian]

Ed,

Ditto with Sean said. I think the Trifecta has stated their confidence in Beck as their QB in recent weeks, BUT if they do lack the confidence you mentioned, then maybe they'll use one of their 2nd rounders on a QB. I still don't really like this QB class in relation to the talent/value at other positions in the 2nd round, but if Beck is questionable to them, then you're right- they'll probably go with Henne (reports indicate he has gotten the most consideration from the Trifecta thus far) in the 2nd.

I'd prefer to wait on a value pick in the 4th or 6th rounds personally...a qb that they see with some upside. I haven't researched the second tier qbs yet, but maybe I will over the next couple of days- then get back to you.

Where is Ainge slated to fall in the draft?

[Krillian]

Ed,

Just read your second post about Henne and size. I agree...didn't get why they liked him either after reading they wanted to review more quarterbacks in the Josh McCown mold. So Omar(or anyone else), any information on this that you can find would be appreciated. Thanks...

[Sean]

We've talked about the #32 pick being our best possible pick to be able to trade down as well as our 3rd. My thoughts are, considering how many teams just under us will still need a QB like Atlanta, KC, and Baltimore. Henne and co. may be good trade bate if teams think we or another team above them will take him and at least two of those teams will need one after Ryan is picked in the first. Just a thought

[Sean]

Krillian,

I think Ainge is slated to go as high as the 3rd round and possibly slipping to the fourth.

[Mr. Bungle]

Omar, I don't think we should go QB high in this draft. I think you work with 2 QBs, not 3 at this point. Tap into McCown's upside and continue to develop Beck and see how it turns out. I think everyone is making too much out of there are no good QBs coming out in 09 or 10. It's way too early to determine that.

There are always a few decent QB prospects in every draft. This year's QB class is highly overrated starting with Matt Ryan. It's just that there a bunch of decent prospects so everyone thinks you have to take one of them.

I'd rather see us draft big linemen on both sides of the ball and get that part of the team good again. We need a young corner to develop for the future when we should be ready to compete again. We need LB depth because we don't have a lot of proven depth, just a bunch of bodies with some potential.

1. Jake Long
32. DL, OL, CB or LB
57. DL, OL, CB or LB
64. DL, OL, CB or LB
100. DL, OL, CB or LB

After that I think any position is up for grabs. This draft is deep at the above positions so I would target them early and often.

That's my two cents!

[Krillian]

Sean,

Then I think Ainge would be an example one of those talent/value picks that we go for if he's still around in the 4th.

One of many possible scenarios for locking a qb with upside as a "luxury" in the later rounds. He also fits the Trifecta qb prototype.

[Judge Dredd]

cam cameron should have played beck more last season because now we have no idea if this guy is any good or not. he should have started the entire second half of the season. i think seven games is enough to know if a guy can play or not. now we have no idea if this guy can play and might have to waste a year trying to find out.

[Sean]

Krillian,

You're right and I think it would be wise looking into guys like Ainge in the later rounds. Also there are guys like Josh Johnson, Matt Flynn, Bernard Morris, and Sam Keller that can be had in round 5 and 6. Notice I said 5 b/c I'm hopeful a trade down will produce no lower than a fifth rounder in this draft. I am torn....I don't want to take on with our 4th but I think 6th may be too low (I know Brady was selected here) so I really think there can be some good QB prospects in the 5th.

[Sean]

About Ainge fitting that QB size requirement I think he may still need to add some bulk to his frame. He is 4 inches taller than Beck yet weighs about the same.

[Krillian]

Dredd,

I think Cam is a great judge of talent along with some skills with the Xs and Os. However, he was probably the worst coach in the entire NFL at team management, as well as game management.

When missing the playoffs was a certainty, they put in Beck to get him used to the speed of the game. They limited the playbook, and kept things very simple(very similar to Peyton's inauguration). The goal was to get him used to the game speed, get him used to play-calling, snap progressions, etc.

However, after Beck's abysmal outing vs. Buffalo, and enormous pressure towards the final third of the season for the coach to just WIN ONE GAME, Cam relented and put in Lemon. He wasn't the future, but Lemon knew Cam's offense(from back in San Diego) and was ready to run the full offense. He was at that time, much more capable of getting the Dolphins a W.

I'm not gonna lie. We got the win, and I was ecstatic. However, in hindsight he probably should have stuck with Beck, win or lose, if they had plans for him as our future. All I really have to go on was the final game, where the offense was opened up and Beck took advantage. He looked like the qb they gambled in the 2nd round to get. Maybe we would have seen more of that had he played the entire time. In the long term, it was a poor decision by Cam.

I still value the '07 draft more than any draft we've had in a long time overall(we'll see if the #1 and #2 selections pan out), and I do give Cam some credit for that.

Beck has intangibles though. In training camp last year the coaches loved how he saw the field and went through his progressions. He has great poise. He's known for his accuracy. He's not known for his arm, but early on at BYU he was asked to take heat off his throws b/c receivers were finding him difficult to catch. He's disciplined, and he's ALL about football- a workhorse. The negatives are his height, and his release point(which is being worked on in the offseason by the staff). Another minor concern is the butterfingers/fumbleitis syndrome he went through last year, but that wasn't an issue in college, and with more experience and a little more time I think that'll work itself out.

[Krillian]

Sean,

I'm torn too, but if getting a qb is a priority, I was listing just one of many examples of higher draft picks for qb than the Chad Henne 32 pick.

I feel in relation to the other quarterbacks taken at much earlier picks, grabbing Ainge in the 4th is of tremendously high value.

I know what you're saying though...man, Chad Henne??? That really concerns me...

[omar]

A couple of things I realized doing this mock draft.

1. The Dolphins need another pick in round 4 or five, and will likely trade down to get one at some point.

Why are the Dolphins more focused on inside linebacker than outside. They like Quentin Moses, Abraham Wright is there, Charlie Anderson players there. That's three backups to Jason Taylor and Joey Porter. There are no backups for Channing Crowder (who is in his final season) and Torbor.

Taking a QB with the first pick is risky. But if they want Henne or Flacco that's the only time to do it. Outside of his leadership and arm strength, experience, and pedigree (Michigan does produce good QBs) I don't really know why Henne has a higher grade since they like height and arm strength a lot when lookng at QBs.

[Ed]

Krillian and Sean,

You both make good points and I don't disagree that you normally would not second guess your own QB choice after just one year. You hit on the point I was trying to make when you pointed out that the pracells boys did not draft beck. We can't assume they would have. We just don't know. They are not going to say they like him alot because that says too much to the opposition and the same if they indicated they wanted to replace him. I think Cam knew quarterbacks even if he did not know how to lead but beck did not look good at all last year. I know that is'nt fair to evaluate him especially because by the time he got in there chambers was gone and ronnie was hurt. I don't honestly know if he can play or not. I doubt the trifecta knows for sure either. I hope we can all agree here that you need a qb to win in this league. Period. We are all dolphins fans here and we should have learned that lesson by now. You know even after Danny Boy left we had a pretty darn good defense for a long time and a god running game too for most of that time but what have we done? Until we know we have a franchise QB or at least a capable starter we cannot pass up chances to draft someone who potentially fits that profile. I like Omar's guy Flacco because we are going to try out beck anyway this year so we don't need someone to be ready right away but we do want the biggest upside possible. It will never be a wasted pick becasue qbs are in demand and if we spend a 2 on one and then beck delivers we will either have the necessary depth or more likely trade bait.
Hey Omar, I know you were up till past 12:30 posting your mock draft but rise and shine, we got questions that need answering. It is two weeks until the biggest draft in dolphins history and we are all worked up out here man.

[Ed]

Omar, my apoligies, you posted while I was typing. Does'nt sound like you quite understand the interest in Henne either. could it be that the interest you are hearing about is a smokescreen. You can't know for sure but what is your gut feeling? You would'nt be the first member of the media to get used.

Keep up the good work. You know what the diehards want to read about and discuss.

[13kvfins]

Due to my posts stating that they've been construed 1hr prior to the actual time that it is,and new information 1hr after the actual time that it is!!I'll be requesting a slightly variated DO OVER to my Dolphin mock on a daily basis!!You'd think I live in Australia...In regressing back slightly towards last wks appithanies(seems like the correct word/spelling)..Heres this particular hrs thoughts!! 1) JAKE 2)Trd down to 40 or so along w'a 5th, NICKS next to Jake on the left 2b) LAWS 3) hope he's there GROVES 4)TE Finley,Cottam,Davis 5) QB Ainge 6a) CB Lee 6b) WR 7a) "D" 7b) OL...Keep in mind I like getting guys slightly later than projected,and that the 5th along w'b pks are still to come...For those that don't appreciate the humor,THAT's JAKE,NICKS,LAWS,GROVES,TE, AINGE,LEE,WR,D,OL !!!!Thanks for granting my DAILY DO OVER requests!! L8s

[Andy Perez]

Crowder has show the he can't stay healthy for a whole year they will pick on the second round MLB not OLB...for the QB issue I belive that we will trade next year 5th or 4th for Simms from Tampa bay. This will create competition right away and its much better option then drafting a QB not even rated better then Beck was a year ago.

[13kvfins]

Reluctantly,if GROVES isn't there,I'll stick w'AVRIL b/c he's the only other guy I see comparable to my nonpk of C Long,IF he's totally mended!!!

[13kvfins]

If LAWS isn't there,I'll take the right fitting DLineman thats available w'that pk!!And,if we don't trade down from 32,I'll stick w'NICKS anyways!!!!If anyone cares???!!!! Me and myself are having quite the debate!!!!!

[13kvfins]

Gotta go,I have some rock wall demolision to tend to...LOL!!!!

[JASON]

1st round: JAKe LOng
2nd: JAmes HARdy
2nd: Brandon FLOwers
3rd: John CARlson

that would be the perfect first four picks

[jason]

why draft a qb in the 2nd? let beck and and mc go at it this year behind a good oline if they dont pan out next year better qb will be availiable

[Dolphindude]

So I guess everybody got a little crazy without me here monitoring these mock drafts.. F.Y.I. if a QB is picked before round 5 I will be extremely mad. I think Ainge has just as much potential as Henne and either way we are talking about potential because nobody is going to start for us in the fall. By the way no way the USC guard is around in the 4th and no way Phillip Wheeler is around until the 5th. You are smoking DolphinDoobies.

[Dolphindude]

1. Jake Long
2. James Hardy
2b. Quentin Groves?
3. Justin King CB Penn State
4. John Greco
6. Frank Okam or biggest NT available.

[Ed]

When you guys are saying that none of the qbs have high grades where are you getting taht from? I am not disputing that just wondering if that is just a personal opinion or is there some expert opinion out there that says that. I find it hard to believe that beck had a higher grade last year than ryan, brohm or flacco. Omar, do you know?

[Krillian]

Dolphindude,

I like James Hardy a lot, but do we have more of a need for a quality slot receiver?

I think Eddie Royal fills the slot needs to a tee and we can lock him up either later in the second or early in the third. No potential character issues either.

[dolphindude]

Nobody is saying that Ryan, Flacco, and Henne grade higher than Beck. First of all I don't understand how you try and compare last years Qb's to this years QB's. What I do know is we took a QB 2nd last year. We need young players to contribute immediately. The 32nd best player in the draft in my eyes should be starting on this team. They shouldn't be on the bench getting groomed for 2-3 years. The fact of the matter is, there are as many good QB's that were low draft picks or undrafted free agents as there are 1st round Qb's that are stars. At least in the last 5-7 years. YOU DO NOT WASTE THE 32ND OVERALL PICK ON A QB. NO WAY, NO HOW!

[Dolphindude]

Krillian,
I think Ted Ginn Jr will be our slot receiver. Imagine lining up James Hardy next to Ginn on the left side, then Wilford on the right side. I think that is a nice line up for receivers. You are giving Beck/McCown some serious targerts. I wanted to throw in a TE somewhere in there. I think we need a serious upgrade there. I like Martin Rucker, but I don't know if I would take him in the 4th.

[Krillian]

Ed,

This is known by many analysts to be a very weak class, and many agree that Matt Ryan shouldn't be a top pick. However, for everyone of those analysts there are opposing analysts that think he could be the next great thing. I watched him play three different games this year and this is how I felt:

Positives- He has a strong arm, he is streaky but mostly accurate, and he has a confidence/competitive edge that raises his game when it's clutch time(huge). Also made the most of mediocre talent around him.

Negatives- He doesn't see the field that well, focuses on his primary target, and he forces the ball way too much for my liking.

As for Flacco, he is one of those "potential" guys that you mentioned that you probably don't want to bank on. He is very raw, lacks the fundamentals, but throws one hell of a ball. Huge arm that reminded me of Marino's Pittsburgh game footage.

Brohm- I actually like Brohm, but he will probably be gone by the end of round one. Out of all of these guys, I feel he could be the real deal. Great play caller, sees the field well, good arm, and has that same swagger Ryan has. He's 6'4"/225 pounds which marks him as a Parcells prototype. The knock against him is his injuries. Fractured hand and torn ACL. He's rehabbed both nicely though.

Can't really compare them to Beck, but Cam and Randy Mueller ranked Beck equal to Brady last year, and that's why they gambled with Ginn in hopes that Beck would be available. Beck was considered a great value in the second round when he was chosen.

Maybe I mispoke or didn't clarify...but those guys should probably be drafted in the second. My point is that we already used a high-end draft pick last year on our qb of the future. He is unproven, so he should be given the shot he deserves before impatiently using more high-end draft picks on another qb.

One last point though- Beck was chosen based on a different value-system and wasn't a selection of BP and company. If they have concerns after working with Beck in the offseason, then they'll make a move in the second. Which would suck, b/c that indicates that we have ANOTHER wasted draft pick from last year, and we need to use ANOTHER valuable pick this year to compensate.

Wow, sorry for unloading. Couldn't shut-up, but that's my perspective.

Who do you like out of that group?

[Ed]

dolphindude,and the other qb haters out there

brady, schaub, anderson(with high pick quinn waiting in the wings), romo, kitna, delhomme, garcia,hasslebeck, and bulger are the only starting qbs in the league drafted lower than the second round. brady, romo, hasslebeck, and bulger are the only established quality starters out of 32 teams. don't talk to me about anderson or schaub yet.

On the other side of the coin here is a list of the other qbs starting which were all picked in rounds 1(most of them) or two.

palmer,manning(times 2), Mcnabb, brees, rothlisberger, cutler, leinart, a. smith, young, russell, campbell, edwards/losman,clemons,rodgers, jackson, macnair. The point being, not too many teams have found your theory that you find your starting qbs in the latter rounds to be accurate. Everyone gets too carried away with the example of tom brady. It is possible to find a qb late and first round qbs due bust sometimes. You are a heck of a lot more likely to find a qb that can lead you to the promised land in rounds one and two then 5 or 6. If it takes 2-3 years to develope a qb and they are not a factor before that as you are arguing than I guess it is Mcnown or bust for us this year as beck is in year two, or is he the exception to your theory.

We have a lot of qb haters out there. Don't like the glory boys. Well you can't win without one no matter how many awesome OG LB and NG you get. This is a 3 year rebuilding project and we need to collect good football players and not just focus on contibutions next year. Even at the other positions I would rather have a prospect that needed some refining with a bigger upside. Dolphindude and all you other o-line guys and defensive guys, take a look at the list of qbs above and tell me who beck is definatly better than based on any objective criteria up to this point. We may have, depending on how he does this year, the worst qb situation in the NFL. But we should not even think of drafting a qb until the later rounds???? What????

[Krillian]

Dolphindude,

We'll have to see. I like what I've seen from Hardy, but I was under the impression that Ginn would be the #1. If Ted's routes continue to improve, then his speed to the outside could be invaluable.

If you get a chance, read up on Eddie Royal. I'm always sold on character guys, and when they have talent on top of it, it's exciting. He's fast, extremely quick, has great hands, and is great at making plays after the catch. He reminds me of Donald Driver and Wes Welker quite a bit, but faster. A leader with a great attitude. Huge plus side, who I feel is a hidden secret as a projected 3rd rounder. HUGE value in the 3rd round.

[Krillian]

Ed,

I'm not one of the qb haters you're referring to and your logic is somewhat accurate, but we have a fundamental difference of opinion that we're just going to have to agree to disagree on: You don't believe in Beck, and I do.

I think Beck is going to prove a lot of Beck-haters wrong this year. I'm a pretty good judge of talent, and I think he has intangibles that will shine with a full year under his belt, a long offseason, and a better supporting cast. I base this on what he did at BYU, his training camp analysis from last year, the potential the coaches saw in him, and the positive reports that are coming out about him this year. That's why I want us to use our early draft picks to address other areas and not use an early draft pick on the qb.

Plus, a lot of times later draft picks are only given chances after injuries. Many talented QBs only get the opportunity out of luck...having said that, I would think 9 out of 32 qbs coming out of the later rounds is a pretty impressive number that could be dangerously close to a point raised against your argument.

I'm all about the Trifecta's judgment though...they're the better football minds, and they have all the information at their disposal. If we go with a second-round qb, then obviously they thought it was a position that needed attention.

[Sean]

Ed,

No offense, but your list is not too impressive. A. Smith? Campbell? Rodgers? Clemons? Edwards/Losman? Cutler? Leinert? Jackson as in Tavares (undrafted)? People from Jets camp have serious concerns about his pocket presence and he did not put together a good showing. Cutler is good but jury still out. Leinert had Warner splitting time with him b/c he struggled. Tavares Jackson has done nothing impressive IMO. Smith is close to becoming a perennial backup, Rogers has not even started a game yet along with Russell. How are these guys somehow more impressive than Beck. How about playoff teams....4 of those low round quarterbacks took their team to the playoffs while 3 of the quarterbacks you listed took their team to the playoffs. Sorry but I'm not convinced.

[Sean]

Ed,

don't get me wrong...some of these or even most of these guys can become good or great. My point is the jury is still out on most of them and many are only getting the chance to start because the team invested too much money in them to not let them start.

[Krillian]

Dolphindude,

Don't you think Rucker is right out of the Donald Lee mold? Donald Lee really didn't have too shabby of a year last year(48 catches for 575 yards and six touchdowns.), and I think the TE that we draft this year should be a little bit bigger/stronger than Rucker with talents at run/pass blocking. Just my humble opinion...

[Daniel]

I like henne, but not that high and he is not the number 2 QB. I rank the QBs 1.Brohme, 2.Ryan, and 3.Henne. Also I like WR Caldwell from UF at 57 if he is there. In the 3rd round I would be happy with Bennett, or UCF RB Kevin Smith.

[George]

I commend your effort for tossing some names out there and putting this thing together. I think a lot of you theories have some basis but your 2nd round is a disaster.
1) QB is not as big of a need as everyone thinks. Matt Ryan would not have been picked ahead of Beck last year and neither would Henne. If Miami does choose a QB in the draft he isn't playing this year so do you use such a bigget asset as a 2nd or 3rd rounder on a guy who'll be 3rd on the depth chart this year? NOPE! Those picks must be use on guys who are going to see serious playing time. The secondary and OL (even if J. Long is picked first) are still screaming for huge upgrades. I believe Miami needs to get two DB and 2 OL by the end of the 3rd round. LB is still a need, TE must be addressed by round 4. WR and QB are way down my draft list. I wouldn't pick a DL at all in this draft, Miami is set there. Coudl they use a convesion guy for OLB yes but no one who is going to play DL. MLB needs an upgrade. I don't know if Miami would be better with two new corners or a corner and a S but they need to high picks back there.

Could you see Taylor going to Phi in exchange for Lito Sheppard? I still feel Miami needs a deal like that or to obtain another late 1st round or 2nd round pick.

[13kvfins]

OHHHH Kayyyy,finally got to read the story,and ALL replies!! Sometimes,I think I should read ALL b/4 I post,but that can be quite exhausting,and tends to scramble my own personal thoughts!! Fortunately,this time,many of my own thoughts were confirmed(somewhat),so I'll stick w'what I got for now(FARABOVE)..Though minor adjustments need to be made according to some of the above(but I've already used my DAILY DO OVER today)!! Omar,another fantastic job on the FINS,and the mock!!!GREAT job by ALL,can't mention everybody,but most were very insightful,and indepth..I liked BUNGLEs options(easier done than said)!! ALSO Sean said;Jake Long, Dan Connor, Trevor Laws, Tracy Porter, and John Greco I think I would piss myself (out of joy of course). 13KVs reply is; We could have a pissing contest if that,or something simular were to take place.. ALSO,I appreciated ALL my regular constituants thoughts(you know who you are),AWESOME job people!! Just felt compelled to lift my leg and mark my territory,so I'll know where I am..CyaL8s

[13kvfins]

(FARABOVE)3:43pm,not the AMpost!!

[Sean]

13kvfins,

I can always count on you for some good comic relief and some good football insight. Just make sure you clean up wherever you are marking your territory or it will leave a horrible smell, unless of course its outside, then do it on your neighbors yard. BTW, you are quite a night owl....you're almost right up there with me. Well, I'm kinda fried and I am not sure what to talk about so this was not a very good use of space. Anyway, was up!!

[Dolphindude]

Ed,
Sorry but half of your quarterbacks are not quality starters in the N.F.L. I won't disagree that they are starters but I think most teams gives highly drafted QB's at least 2-3 years to get it. That is why you see a lot of those names. I don't think most of them will be starting QB's in 1-2 years. Obviously the Mannings, Mcnabb, and Favre(you oould have use dhim were the exceptions. Cutler, Young, Leinart, Alex Smith, what have they done? By the way was Drew Brees a 2nd round pick or was he a third? Can somebody google that sh*t?

[Dolphin D]

Omar, you mentioned that you personally don't think Tennessee players make good pros. Is the Peyton Manning the rare exception??

[Dolphin D]

Omar, you mentioned that you personally don't think Tennessee players make good pros. Is Peyton Manning the rare exception??

[Sean]

Brees was the first pick in the second round in 2001. And actually if you add Favre he was picked in the second round and 33rd overall. What does all this mean? Invest into what you already have. I've said it before but the previous brass has IMO drafted, improperly coached and discarded good young talent and I think with BP's help it is time to dicard that type of attitude and philosophy. The good teams are patient with their players and allow them to make mistakes and grow and improve. You bring another first or second round QB into the fold and what do you do? Beck struggles which he will and should and then all the fans and media want to hang him out to dry and call for his backup. Look, I understand what some of you are saying but I just think it is not prudent.

I see any QB's that fall to the second as trade bate because a few teams will be looking to sure up a signal calling in round two and guess who has the first pick and an apparent need for a QB and passed on Ryan (speculation of course).

[Davide]

I think Parcells will not take a QB with 32nd pick......this is my mock draft:
1) OLB Chris Long
32) best OT available (Gosder-Baker-Collins-Nicks)
57) CB Tracy Porter
then they 99% trade 64th for a middle 3rd and another 4th or a 5th rounder so:
3rd) WR Jerome Simpson
4th a) OG John Greco
4th b) ILB Beau Bell
6a) QB Kevin O'Connell
6b) TE Cottam-Finley (Joe-Jon)
7a) OG Mike Gibson
7b) DE Barry Booker/ DT Jason Shirley- DT Dykes

[Mike In SD]

What about Reggie White? Uh...didn't he go to Tennessee?

[Krillian]

Davide,

I really like some of the guys you mentioned, especially b/c of the value they have in relation to the pick.(and their possible/probable availability).

Personally, I'd like to stuff another guard/tackle in there somewhere, but that's a pretty sweet, well thought out mock draft. Man, it'd be great to have those extra draft picks.

[Dan]

Mitch and daboy_j have it right, BP is not going to draft a QB in round 2. I'll bet all the money that I don't have in the bank on it :-)

If they see a QB worth the risking picking that high, then someone else has too, and the pick will gone. Anyways, there way too much other talent that is not as risky and can be more valuable from the standpoint of contributing immediately. Games are won and lost in the trenches and BP knows this... watch them focus there and on the LB position in the first few rounds.

Since theys ay they are grabbing the best talent available at the time of the pick, it makes it near impossible to assume their picks- maybe that's their strategy ;-) Otherwise I'd look to see them picking up a couple O-line, D-line, LB, DB. Let's face it, our D-line and LB were getting old and they are being infused with youth, secondary just plain sucks.

BP likes his veteran QB's- he;s not the 'project' QB type of guy.

[Sean]

Hey guys,

Listen, that Quintin Demps-S that we are looking at is pretty impressive. I know everyone has weaknesses but this guy is constantly around the ball. This is from NFL.com.

Overview
One of the elite pass thieves in college football, Demps' 17 interceptions were the most among active players in the NCAA in 2007 and rank second in Conference USA and school history. He is one of only seven players in college history to gain more than 400 yards (404) in returns on interceptions in a career, setting the league all-time record (331 yards in Conference USA competition).

The free safety has been a huge problem for not only opposing offensive coordinators, but also opposing special team coaches. In addition to his 17 interceptions, he ranks second in school annals with 24 pass deflections. He also ranks eighth in UTEP history with an average of 22.1 yards per kickoff return. Finding the end zone has become a fact of life for Demps, who scored on interceptions, kickoffs and fumble recoveries during his time with the Miners.

At Roosevelt High School, Demps was a unanimous All-District 26-5A, All-Greater San Antonio and honorable mention All-State honoree as a senior. He split time at defensive back, wide receiver and punter that year, recording 65 tackles and five interceptions (two for touchdowns). He also picked up 10 receptions for 360 yards and three touchdowns while averaging 40.5 yards on punts. During his last two seasons, he helped Roosevelt High School to a 16-6 record, including a district title in 2001.

Demps added second-team All-District accolades as a junior. He recorded 23 tackles and had two interceptions that campaign, competing as a defensive back and wide receiver. He also lettered at cornerback as a sophomore. He was a two-year letter-winner in track, where he was a regional qualifier in the 100 as a junior and a member of the 1,600 relay that advanced to State.

Demps red-shirted at Texas-El Paso in 2003. He earned Freshman All-American honors and was chosen the Western Athletic Conference's co-Freshman of the Year in 2004. He started 10 of 11 games at free safety, sitting out vs. San Jose State with a hamstring pull. He posted 58 tackles (42 solos), caused two fumbles, recovered one for a score and broke up four passes. He also blocked a kick and had one touchdown on a pair of interception returns.

As a sophomore, Demps started all 12 games at free safety, finishing fourth on the squad with 78 tackles (47 solos) in the Miners' first season in Conference USA. He picked off three passes, deflected six others and averaged 16.5 yards on four kickoff returns. He also recovered two fumbles.

In 2006, Demps was named to the All-Conference USA first-team. He led the league and tied for fifth nationally with seven interceptions and broke up five other throws. He ranked third on the team with 67 tackles (31 solos), caused two fumbles and averaged 23.9 yards on nine kickoff returns, including one for a score.

As a senior, Demps split time between free safety and right cornerback. The team captain was a first-team All-Conference USA defensive pick, adding second-team honors on special teams. His 220 yards gained on five interception returns set school and league single-season records, ranking second in the nation. He totaled 72 tackles (55 solos) with nine pass break-ups and recovered two fumbles. He ranked 15th in the nation and led the conference with a 13.3-yard average on 15 punt returns. He also averaged 22.4 yards on 22 kickoff returns and blocked one kick.

Demps appeared in 47 games at Texas-El Paso, starting 40 contests at free safety and six at right cornerback. He recorded 275 tackles (175 solos) with 5.5 stops for losses of 15 yards and two quarterback pressures. He caused four fumbles and recovered five others, returning two for a total of 57 yards, including a 51-yard score. He blocked two kicks and deflected 24 passes.

Demps intercepted 17 passes for 404 yards (23.8 avg) in returns with three touchdowns. He gained 773 yards with a score on 35 kickoff returns (22.1 avg) and 200 yards on 15 punt returns (13.3 avg). On 69 touches, he amassed 1,434 all-purpose yards, an average of 20.78 yards per attempt.

[Sean]

Here is the scouting report I have on him. Sorry, I know you guys already have your draft boards set in stone :) LOL!

Quintin Demps
S | (5'11", 206, 4.389) | UTEP

Scouts Grade: 60
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Strengths: Shows adequate range, tracks the ball well and is experienced playing a centerfielder-type role. Disciplined and rarely gets caught out of position. Explodes out of backpedal and shows good closing speed coming forward. Opens hips quickly, flashes the ability to change directions quickly and has the potential to develop quality man-to-man cover skills. Reads quarterback's eyes, baits quarterbacks and jump routes. Catches the ball very well and is a playmaker in coverage. Flashes the ability to time hits well and occasionally will separate ball from body. Does a decent job of staying low and undercutting bigger ball carriers. Reaches top speed quickly and flashes the ability to get to the quarterback when asked to blitz. Plays with emotion and is a leader on the field. Has experience returning kickoffs, flashes big-play ability in that role and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Lacks elite size, takes too long to shed blocks and can get engulfed when lines up in the box. Avoids blockers rather than stacking them up and creates running lanes in the process. Doesn't always square up to the ball carrier, doesn't always wrap upon contact and is an inconsistent open field tackler. Footwork is inconsistent and gets spun around at times. Plays pass before run on every snap and can be a step late filling.

Overall: Demps arrived at UTEP in 2003 and redshirted the year. In his first three seasons (2004-'06), he appeared in 35 games (all starts) and amassed 203 tackles (one for a loss), 12 interceptions and 15 pass breakups. As a senior in 2007, he played in all 12 games (11 starts) and had 72 tackles (4.5 for losses), two fumble recoveries, a blocked kick, nine pass breakups and five interceptions (including a pair of 100-yard returns for touchdowns). Demps missed one game in 2004 because of a hamstring injury. Demps is far more effective dropping into coverage than he is filling against the run. However, he is a very good natural athlete, which was confirmed during his outstanding combine workout. He also has a nose for the ball, displaying the ability to make momentum-shifting plays in coverage and on special teams. Demps projects as a versatile reserve DB in the NFL and should come off the board in the middle rounds.

[CoyoteCane]

Omar:

Your blogs are simply the best exchange of info for fans and by fans in any local papers. Its the same as the UM Legion, and the first place I go as I suffer thru another long offseason. I pick as follows:

1) J. Long (total need pick)
2a) A. Cason (BP WILL pick CB early. Would also snag K. Phillips, S; D. Conner, LB; or B. Albert OG, IF he/they dropped to this spot. Team wants starters out of this draft, and plenty of Beef.
2b) J. Hardy, WR; or D. Brown OG. BIG People.
3) BPA
4) Dennis Dixon, QB. Watch out for this kid. A better passer than many think, a great kid with a clipboard for a year, and the steal of this draft. He's a better total prospect than Vince Young was. Better passer, smarter, and recovering just fine from the knee. I agree you must troll for a QB every year. Marino's come once a decade or worse. You stock the pool until you hit. I'd love to grab PAC-10 MVP for a fourth.

[superscout]

I have reviewed every play involving Will Demps since he was in the seventh grade, including sandlot and pick-up games. He has trouble opening up his hips on runs to the right, and he often trips over his left-foot in bump-and-run coverage. Another concern to us professionals is that he took too many Gatorade and/or potty breaks before making the varsity team in High Schools. Nevertheless, I agree with Sean that he is worth a serious look on Day Two of the Draft.

[Sean]

superscout,

are you serious? Anyway, I think you mean Quintin, I think there is a Will that plays in the pros. I think Quintin may play corner in the pros instead of safety.

CoyoteCane,

I like Cason as well but for the life of me can't figure out how long he'll be on the board. As for Dixon I am not sure BP will not have another QB with similar abilities but fits his size requirements better.

[Ed]

Krillian and Sean,

You guys both make a good case and obviously have a conviction on Beck. I think you both probably have studied the qbs coming out of college more than I have and don't believe they are any upgrade over Beck. The BYU quarterbacks just worry me. Other than steve young none of them have been any good in the NFL. They are generally productive in college but our a product of a psss happy system and a weak league. I hope you guys are right about him.

I just think the qb position in this league is so critical(along with coaching) that it is worth spending another high pick to increase your odds of getting the right guy. That would be stupid if Parcells had just drafted Beck last year and was showing impatience altready but he was the choice of a failed regime. I say create an open competition rather than just play beck because we used a 2nd round pick on him(Iknow you are also saying he is good and deserves the chance) Feeley than should still be the QB because we used(wasted) a second round pick on him.

Bottom line is this. If Parcells likes beck as a player they will not use a 2nd on another QB and if he is'nt sold then you can bet he will draft a qb high because of the importance of that position.None of us really knows waht parcells thinks of beck's future but we will know when the second round pick comes up this year because he is not going to agree with others who have weighed in on this issue and say stuff like "you can get a QB later" or "parcells knows that games are won in the trenches". Line play is critical but the whole idea of making QB a low priority in building a football team is just plain wrong.

[Terry]

I believe Henne or Brohm is your next Brady. Should one of them be available after pick 1; I think you must go after them.

[13kvfins]

I see any QB's that fall to the second as trade bate because a few teams will be looking to sure up a signal calling in round two and guess who has the first pick and an apparent need for a QB and passed on Ryan (speculation of course).

Posted by: Sean | April 12, 2008 at 11:10 PM
Hey Sean,hows it going bro??My POV on this thought,is that those teams below us that want the QB,would probably want to trade up w'31/30/29 to get ahead of us!!So,not to allow us to possibly take the guy that they want,why take a chance trading w'the team that may possibly feel as strong about the same guy you want? Hopefully though your POV is possible(and it is)!!!! Just a leg lift..Cya

[Sean]

Ed,

Don't give me too much credit. I don't know about Krillian but I have not done much study on any of the quarterbacks, which means my opinion does not hold much weight, but that doesn't stop me from voicing it :) You may be right on your position with a quarterback and BP may have less patience with Beck because he did not draft him but his draft status regardless of who drafted him is a franchise issue IMO. I do see your point and I don't know enough to say anything definitavely but I do think Beck should get his shot and that second should be used, like Krillian said, on a guy who can come in and at least contribute on special teams if not start. That is the hardest part for me is having all that talent on the board yet taking someone you may never see play a down for the Phins (if Beck does well). If Beck plays poorly you still may not see him for one or two or even three years. I just think that with the right talent around him and good coaching, TriTuna can find someone later with upside.

13kvfins, Was up!! You may be right. I don't know how these trades work. I thought that as long as the Phins were willing to trade the pick it did not matter whether or not they had Henne or Flacco high on their board because they would not be able to pick that guy if they moved down (assuming that is the guy the other team wanted).

[Sean]

Terry,

Not sure if you're right on the Brady comparison. If that were true they both would be a lock to go #1 and #2 overall respectively. In that case Miami would take one of them with the first pick and we would not even be talking about Chris or Jake. Vernon who? If they are the next Brady then maybe we should get them in the sixth round :)

[13kvfins]

Sean,I was looking @ it from the other teams prospective,NOT OURS..The other team knows who they want,and have no idea what the FINS are thinking!!Its a crap shoot if they only want one particular guy..I'm not trying to be right,just sharing views..L8s!!!

[Judge Dredd]

armando salguero said on his radio show that omar's report on the dolphins talking to vernon gholston is false. he said the dolphins have only talked to jake long.

[13kvfins]

Sean,jus doing some chores while watching the Masters..Believe me when I say,the way your seeing it,is what I wish to be also! I'd like NICKS around 40+ @ this moment!However,If you are 2nd,and I'm 3rd thru 10th in line,and only 1 Dolphin SB ticket will remain after the 1st guy makes his purchase??Seeing that your wearing a FIN costume,w/Miami shaved into your eyebrows,and permanant gold teeth that say DOLPHINS!! I'm gonna offer the plain clothed guy in front of you big $$ to assure myself of that seat!! MPOV,Human Nature..