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GREG:It's always good to show some levity now and then. And if there ever was a joke,until Bob Kelleher that is, it was/is Nader for President.

Nader is a bitter old gas-bag. He would be better than McCrazy, but any vote for Nader is a vote for McSame.

Oh, yes, Ralph Nader, the "consumer advocate". Take a look at his record of "advocacy", and think about what you DON'T have because of him. I will throw away my vote by voting for muself before him!

Greg Huffard is right.If you think things in our nation our going great, just relelct the same politicians to continue the status quo. Ralph Nader has been true, courageous and consistent from the beginning at defending the pulbic interest and our Constitution. By a huge majority, the current crop of politicians have grossly mismanaged our nation and economy and actively worked against our Constitution. Both Democrats and Republicans have voted to: *Created and continue to fund the Iraq Holocaust *Give Bush immunity for COnstitutional violations *Signed the anti-Constitutional Patriot Act which destroys American freedom, violates our Constitution, and ends habeas corpus *Given tax breaks for disloyal corporations offshoring jobs and factories *Allowed illegal immigration invasion to continue undermining American workers *Have failed to nationalize American healthcare *Have failed to rein in price gouging by oil companies. *Have kept the minimum wage at slavery levels while voting in a pay raise for themselves every year. *Have doled our corporate welfare bailouts to Bear/Stearns for finanacial mismanagement and theft of investors assetts. *Have bequeathed "most favored nation status" to Communist China and accepted its poison goods into our nation without recourse. Both Barack and McCain have flip-flopped more than a fast food chef frying burgers. Barack has broken his word repeatedly about: *Campaign finanacing *Funding the Iraq War *Voting against FISA and our Constitution for telecomm immunity *Having a differnt foreign policy than Bush while proposing to bomb inside Pakistan w/o Pakistan or our congressional approval McCain has flip flopped on: *Tax cuts for the rich *Using torture to terrorize POW's *Illegally baiting the public campaign financing laws to secure private funding *Being a genuine social conservative in his support of illegal immigration and abortion. Neither McCain nor Barack are worthy. Neither are genuine presidential material. Ralph Nader on the other hand has been true to his word for consumer and constitutional rights and has a proven record of 40+ years of superb and courageous service to our nation. If anyone is worthy and qualified, it is Ralph Nader.

Not me , I,m still ****ed off at Nader for badmouthing my old Corvair .

PUBLIC ADVOCATE:Ralph Nader is a hypocrit of the first degree. While decrying big bad corporations and attempting to make their lives miserable over the years he has gotten wealthy from his stock portfolios...his investments in the very corporations he claims to want to save us from. And it only gets 'better' if you actually check his record out...like how much "public imput" the public is allowed by his organizations which are under his direct and autocratic control. And the list goes on....think I'll pass on this hypocritical old news of a contender.

Public Advocate, aka Ralph Nader, just get yourself a TV ad if you're going to b.s. like that again.

Hi Greg, How did voting for Nader work for you in 2000?

none, at last we agree on something. I really liked my '63 Corvair Spyder! What a blast to drive, with the turbocharger and 4 speed tranny! I miss that car.

I agree with the article. Much of the media is kind of brainwashing instead of informative. Obama gives speeches promoting unprovoked war with Iran, based on the same language Bush used for Iraq - abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4999088 Obama called for strikes in Pakistan (one of our only allies there, besides Israel, who also has nuclear weapons), whether or not Pakistan likes it. - news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6926663.stm He's calling for national based community service, or withholding funding to schools - firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/02/1181135.aspx He is scary the way he can tell different people completely different stories, and they seem to buy it. McCain on the other hand is pretty war-like too, remembering Grenada. He probably isn't saying anything thinking Obama will fall under his own lies eventually. Nader on the third hand, fought to give citizens the Freedom of Informaton act in the first place, so you know he supports an open government. He supports only going to war when we have real reason, instead of when politically moved to do so by lobbyists or corporations. If he can get enough people to care about real change, he can at least get in on the debates and change them from being fake to being more real. www.votenader.org/

Let's face it. None of the politicians that are within striking distance of the White House will do anything but act in thier own self interest at this point. Look at what Bush and Cheney have gotten away with unscathed. Time to concentrate on the state level and do our best to save ourselves from Uncle Sam.

I heard Nader is coming to Montana, to throw out the first pitch at an upcoming Mustangs game at Dehler stadium. He is then going to rail against the lack of netting along the third baseline. He is really coming to the state to court Bob Kelleher to be his vice presidential candidate!

The only way to avoid living in the corpocracy is to vote for someone that rails against that control. Nader has ALWAYS pursued that end for the benefit of the constitution, and all of the people in this country. I'm not proud to be american, I'm shocked by how this country has ignored the transformation to ignorance. Dwight Eisenhower tried to warn us, control of this country is no longer the peoples', and if we don't vote our conscience now, when will we? We as a people, should display a society that believes in and promotes fairness and justice in this country as an example for other governments to emulate. This is America's responsibility. Beware the military / industrial / corporate complex. Vote Nader.

This is just so pathetic in so many ways...let Nader in on the debates? Why?

Why do we accept only two "major" parties to "lead" us? We pay more in taxes to offset corporate welfare, a bloated defense and salaries of people from corporations leading government agencies. We allow these two parties to be controlled by corportations. Thus millions without health care, a levee should have been fixed, 935+ lies leading us to war, zero impeachment mandated by "our" constitution, global warming, absurd acceptance of nafta and the wto, media monopoly, campaign contributions so we can live of, by and for those with the means to influence. Legislation for the people does not even making it out of committee while legislation for those with the means to influence passes. Supreme court justices selected based soley on Roe v. Wade. Compare to Mr. Nader's hard fought accomplishments, before the takeover. The media promotes distortion, while not providing truth (and time) in reporting about the above issues. His record screams of, by and for the people. Like our founding fathers intended and many gave their lives fighting for. "News" entertainers and political operatives use of spin, costly negative sound bites and labels to blur the truth, do not change what is real. Corporate media do not want Mr. Nader on what use to be the publics' airwaves. We have the two party controlled Presidential debate fiasco keeping opposing voices from being heard. Allowed Gore to make a deal with the soon to be appointed duo, to keep Mr. Nader out of the debates in 2000. The next time the democrats went on a suing binge, even after Mr. Nader followed the rules that only apply to candidates not selected by the two "major" parties. And who passed these laws? These two "major" parties have forgotten the words "We the people..." I thought the question should be "Why have we allowed this? But seeing some of the previous comments shows how we continue to be controlled.

One good reason is the debates don't have to be boring. Since the League of Women Voters removed themselves in protest from the DNC/GOP sham, they're nothing but staged shadow boxing PR stunts. The DNC and GOP run the corporation that runs the debates. This is the first time in history non DNC/GOP companies, yahoo and goggle, are hosting independent debates the candidates will agree to, if enough people care. People are catching onto Obama's lies so fast, once he gets the patriot act powers, we may not have a chance to peacefully choose a democracy next time. This is a great time, in that the people have a good shot of getting more voices into the debates to ask real questions, instead of the GOP/DNC "agreed on" debates. news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080706/cm_thenation/45334812 I know it's cool to imagine some militia, but to be honest, McCain or Obama will crush it certainly. Why not take a chance to learn about the only candidate that already has 6% even with the media shutting him out of most conversations, who fought for the FOI act in the first place, who wants to actually limit the government's power by abolishing the "patriot act" and supports a national override option, to put the teeth of the people back in America, so politicians will care what we think? "a system of lawmaking by the people is likely to be the worst ever seen—except for all of the conceivable alternatives." www.votenader.org/issues/national-initiative/ I can think of no better person right now. Nader is within hiding distance of the White House, if enough people care about getting a government of by and for the people again. Obama will put us to work for him or take away school funding, while McCain will just ignore us.

Nader may be just running to collect more of those federal matching funds, we taxpayers have to fork over to the government. It does look like that if Nader and Bob Barr get the 10% in the polls, they would be invited to the Google/Youtube debates in September.

I'd like to see Barr debate too. I'm not too sure about his turnarounds yet, since he did support the Patriot Act, War on Drugs and Iraq War, but that was with the sunset clause, and I'd kind of like to hear from him too. I still think Nader is more consistant and for more representative government, but anything to give us options and a real debate. A few thousand dollars of matching funds is a small price to end billions in war money and oil subsidies, among other things we end up paying for otherwise.

Nader's only relevance is that he deluded some idiots into NOT voting for major candidates in previous elections. He needs to get his Matlock-watching keister back on his Barcalounger before I slap the sensation out of the OTHER side of his face.

Big man. That makes you sound cool. Really though, if that was Nader's only relevance, to remind us the DNC and GOP don't control American's options, despite the attempted brainwashing, if all he did was remind us that we have choices other than abandoning thinking for ourselves and just goose-stepping for Obama or bending over for McCain, Nader would be a hero. As it is, he's fought consistently for years for most of the things most of us claim to want. That's the point of a democracy though, even if a minority see past the lies and want something better, they can't do it without at least a moderate amount of the people wanting something better.

It looks like the Democrats listened a little, but not enough. www.newsweek.com/id/55429 Ron Paul tried to stop the obstruction to Nader and other third parties perpetuated by the DNC and GOP, and he came up against the same system. At least he tried though. www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul194.html

Any review of past fears of "the corporate state" will cause you to understand the duplicity of both major political partys. This is what I have told my small circle of email freinds. Quotes and Comments I hope that we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. - Thomas Jefferson Don’t know who the we is Thomas, but you guys failed in this one. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. - Abraham Lincoln Yep, you called that one right Abe, still true after all of these years. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// Big business is not dangerous because it is big, but because its bigness is an unwholesome inflation created by privileges and exemptions which it ought not to enjoy. - Woodrow Wilson Privileges and exemptions Woodrow? Our elected officials are individually bought like a piece of meat. Hey, doesn’t that apply to another even older profession? What do you think, is there something wrong with our form of government or do we the people just consistently keep electing the wrong representatives to government? If the latter, how dumb can we be? If the former, how is the deck stacked against us. You need to answer which of these you believe to be true. Or, if you know of a third possibility of what is wrong, please let me know. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The citizens of the United States must control the mighty commercial forces which they themselves called into being. - Theodore Roosevelt When congress is in session and the commercial force lobbyists descend upon our elected congressmen-and-women, well, to relate that to pigs at the trough would give a bad name to pigs Teddy. Citizen voting has just proven ineffective; woefully inadequate. It should be the duty of the government to control commercial forces, not its' citizens. How can that happen? How can government control commercial forces; by law and regulation maybe? ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. - Dwight Eisenhower The councils of government have let us down Dwight. They have since the beginning and they continue to do so today. What the hell do we do now? We elect, both directly and indirectly, the councils of government so voting doesn’t work. Obviously we need not a new government but a new form of government. Any suggestions on how we do that? What form of government should it be? Come on Dwight, some answers please. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. - Franklin D. Roosevelt Would that none would call it treason to name our system of democracy as it really is Franklin; democrafacism, also known as plutocracy. Maybe there is no gravity Franklin, the earth just sucks; like corpocracy. ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but the people themselves - and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion. - Thomas Jefferson As old Thomas has said, consider yourself informed. Being so informed I don’t know what you might want to do about it or how you will vote this time around. But for me, for once, I am going to vote for how and in what I truly believe which is in neither of our two major political parties. Voting for the lesser of two evils just no longer makes sense to me. I’m going to vote for Ralph Nader. I urge you to consider doing the same. George Bernard Shaw said something along the lines of A reasonable man adjusts himself to the world. An unreasonable man expects the world to adjust to him. So, I’m unreasonable. I hope you are too. Vote Nader/Gonzalez in 2008

OK. You are right on some things for sure, but please take a deep breath, my friend. There are choices, and it is sham mind control that America was ever supposed to be bound by two special interst options that make special deals. It hurts America's place in the world, for people to think we are so dumb, especially when we are forcing "democracy" on others. I don't believe in the lesser of two evils. I do believe in the best practical option though, and Nader seems it to me right now. www.votenader.org

haroldmh - You make good points. I admit I just need a history lesson.