If it wasn't for him we wouldn't have had a republican President in 2000 and the world would have been a much better place.

he siphoned off just enough votes for the Dems to lose. he is just as much to blame as baby bush for these monumental failures. neither of them know when to say enough is enough!

Exxon/McCain 08!

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Arrayed against impeachment literally, is the entire Democratic Party establishment as well as the Republicans.

Most rank and file Democratic voters want Impeachment but are being ignored by the Democratic Congress.

In addition, many of the so called progressive organizations are also in lock step with them (ex: MoveOn & UFPJ) and against impeachment. It will take a very hard fight to over come this and some real courage on the part of individual Democratic voters.

In Colorado we have actually been doing negative campaigning against all incumbent Democratic Congressmen who refuse even to discuss impeachment.

We have a Congressman Udall who is running to be a Senator from Colorado. He supposedly has a liberal background but is moving right as fast as he can. He avoids all protesters who want to stop the Iraq War funding and who support impeachment. The difficult aspect is that the Colorado Democratic Party, the Media, and most Colorado Progressive organizations are helping him avoid us.

Even so, the race for the US Senate from Colorado is statistically "too close to call", so we have a real chance to make a difference here. We believe that since the race is "so close" that we actually can stop Udall from winning.

The way we are doing this is by doing "Negative Protesting" at our weekly impeachment events, all of his public events and by constant "commenting" on all newspaper articles about Udall (nationwide).

Up until about two weeks ago, the honking at our weekly events had quadrupled since January. Then we used much "tougher" anti-Udall language on our signs and the honking doubled again. So much so that the Denver Police came and threatened arrest if we continued to use "honk to impeach" signs and also threatened us with citations for "disturbing the peace". A strong indication that we are getting to the Democratic establishment and that the public is with us.

Regarding "commenting", after awhile you become somewhat adept at changing the subject of an article to relate it to Udall and why he shouldn't be a Senator from Colorado. It really stirs people up and gets the discussion going. If you all are interested in how we do that I can share a list of links to articles that we've commented on.

Given that impeachment advocates have worked hard to lobby Congress to hold hearings and have done so for many years with no results, we think it is time for all impeachment advocates to get tough with Incumbent House Democrats.

The House Democrats have ignored us for years. Unless we threaten to un-elect them with negative campaigning they will continue to ignore us.

John H Kennedy,
43 yr Democratic voter, Obama delegate to the Denver County Democratic Convention, organizer of the
IMPEACH COLORADO COALITION http://ImpeachCO.com

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My sources tell me they're waiting for this whole crew to leave the white house so they can bring them into a World court type of deal to answer for the crap they've pulled on our country.
AND they are gonna try to nail Cheyney's A$$ to the wall.
I do agree Pelosi needs to be shaken awake, she's holding Conyers back. and he wants to go after them now.
Do we need a 3rd and 4th party to keep everyone honest? (err...more honest than now)

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jabb0,

Careful. Most of his 2000 supporters are here daily pumping Obama. I would hate to see a liberal civil war take place here.

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How much has Obama been getting paid by the Coal companies? He threw a nice line into his speech transcript about using more coal, "ones of America's most abundant energy sources"

Coal is completely contradictory to the "movement for change". Coal is what we're trying to replace with alternatives. Obama will deal a huge blow to the efforts of environmentalists, scientists, and everyone else who breathes air if he pushes coal any further.

Many of us have heard of the technology that the Coal industry refers to as "Clean Coal" power plants. Do not be fooled into thinking that this technology - while being somewhat better than the plants that exist now (see http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/07/eastlake_power_plant_burps_sho.html ) - will come anywhere near to replacing the existing technology within TWO hypothetical Obama terms. Barack's got every intention to let BIG COAL continue to trample American consumers, and America's landscape, and delay the arrival of alternatives that could be helping us NOW.

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I'm no Nader fan, but thank god he ran in 2000 and prevented the insane Al Gore from being elected. We'd be in much worse shape under an Algore presidency, with all his nonsense about manmade global warming.

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JohnHKennedy,

Fight the good fight. Stand up and shout from the rooftops. As a Republican, I wish you the best success in bringing all the whackos out of the woodwork. Grassroots Dem activists like MoveOn and Dem Underground sure did a great job losing elections this way in 2000 and 2004. Keep it up.

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Dear Cleveland.com:

Jabbo is correct.

It is completely unacceptable for third-party candidates to impact election results.

Sincerely,

H. Ross Perot

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Come on, Ralphie. Man up and throw your hat in the ring with DENNIS! as your running mate. LMFAO.

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Where is the usual cast of Obama supporters who I KNOW voted for Nader in 2000? Stand and be heard.

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Well, Cleveland78, I voted for Nader in 2000 & 2004 when I lived in decidedly anti-Bush California..and if Ohio wasn't a swing state, I'd vote for him again.

Buckeyebobby, you're comparing a democratically elected leader like Hugo Chavez to people like Stalin and Mao? If you can do that, I'll take liberties to compare Cheney to Pinochet, Hilter, Suharto, the Shah of Iran, Mussolini, Codreanu, Franco, Mugabe...fair is fair, right?

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Hitler was Democratically elected too, genius. So was Mugabe. However, neither Mugabe nor Chavez won elections free or fair. They rigged votes like crazy. Chavez might have won fair and square his first term or two, but like Hitler, after winning elections, consolodated his grip on Venezuala's power and is now basically an authoritarian tyrant. I take it you like Chavez and sympathize with him?

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Coming from the guy who is primarily funded by corporate interests. Nader has accepted millions of dollar in funding from longtime Republican supporters over the last three election cycles.

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You think Nader is a nut? Stop wearing your seat belt right now. Or do your homework and know that he has been the most selfless and helpful consumer advocate (also taxpayer advocate) in US history.

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Nader is on a national book tour, again. And this classic bitterman is worse than a prima-donna athlete the way he treats people who want to take "free" pictures or want "free" autographs instead of buying the "logo" merchandise on sale at his speeches. A truly reprehensible individual with an ego larger than the one in the steroid-enhanced head of Barry Bonds.

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Nader didn't cause Gore's defeat. Gore did.
If he had moved a little left toward his Base (liberal Democrats) he would have been elected. Playing to the middle cost him the election.

Pay attention:

The House Democrats have ignored us for years. Unless we threaten to un-elect them with negative campaigning they will continue to ignore us.

John H Kennedy,
43 yr Democratic voter, Obama delegate to the Denver County Democratic Convention, organizer of the
IMPEACH COLORADO COALITION http://ImpeachCO.com

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Just the mention of Nader and all the degenerate liberals come out of the woodwork. The fact is they love him,but know he can never be elected.Too much baggage! They've found their new Messiah Obama. They threw the Clintons overboard and now Naders gone too. Only the craziest of the communist and socialist will vote for him now. At least Nader is not an America hater like the rest. Hope he does enough damage to help McCain beat this empty suit Obama. Remember liberalism is a mental illness.!! Any thing sponsored by moveon.org. comes from the pervert wing of the Demorat party in SF.Pelosi country.

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Hey what does the h stand for as your middle initial. You seem to be a perfect example of whats happened to our schools in the past 40 years.Liberalism is after a mental illness!

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Kennedy finishes off his far-left rant by identifying himself as an Obama delegate. That typifies what I've been saying for weeks now. Moderate Democrats like myself share little in common with this very liberal candidate.

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DannyOcean01, my point was that if people are going to compare Obama to people like Stalin and Mao, it was fair game to make extreme comparisons in the case of folks like Cheney..not to endorse comparing Cheney to Hitler.

Hugo Chavez..I like his economic positions but he is far too shrill, doesn't take civil liberties very seriously and has little desire to speak to his opponents..kinda like the neocons. Then again, he's not worse than past right-wing leaders (actually better..or not as bad) so I'd vote for him if I were Venezuelan, holding my nose.

Chavez hasn't engaged in anything even close to what Hilter did in terms of subverting and eviscerating democratic rule.

Mugabe won fair and square in the early days of Zimbabwe's independence, but ended up banning and violently oppressing any and all opposition, engaging in a land grab against white farmers (those that opposed Mugabe at least) that resulted in land being given to Zanu-PF thugs instead of poor landless blacks.
Mugabe's pogroms against the homeless and shantytown-dwellers (those in opposition..even mild opposition) in Harare are nothing short of obscene.

*Big* difference between Chavez and Mugabe. Chavez is not exactly my ideal leader, but I can think of *far* worse. I'll take him over the proto-fascist thug Uribe anyday.

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Posted by Johnhkennedy on 08/06/08 at 9:50PM
Nader didn't cause Gore's defeat. Gore did.
If he had moved a little left toward his Base (liberal Democrats) he would have been elected. Playing to the middle cost him the election."

That's laughable. Try and remember the fact that Gore did win the popular vote. Nader shaved into his base just enough to tilt Florida in Bush's direction. Nader, as well as idiotic far left wingnuts, cost Gore the election. I am thankful for Nader, as he has been the gift that keeps on giving to Republicans.

Gore actually ran his race to the center, and did quite well in doing so. If he would have run to the Move.on beat, it would have been 70/30 Bush in the popular vote, instead of 49.5/50.5 Gore in the popular vote.

The problem, JHK, is that the Democratic party hasn't updated its Demographic strategy for winning the Electoral College. It still depends on the 1950s era clout of the Upper Midwest and Northeast to win elections. Look at an electoral map from the 1960 election, and look at a map today. The harmful Demographic change for Democrats cannot be understated.

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Well,

I'm not surprised you are a fan of Commie thug Hugo Chavez. Have you looked at the Venezualan economy lately thanks to his economic policies? Do you actually care if the economic policies you and he support actually work? I still think Hitler and Mugabe operated in pretty similar ways, in terms of how they were Democratically elected, subverted Democracy, consolidated power, and heavily militarized their nations.

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Sorry, I meant Chavez instead of Mugabe - I was typing fast.

That being said, why do you hate Uribe so much? Because he is an American ally? Don't tell me you are a FARC supporter as well as a Chavez supporter.

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What's wrong with being a "corporate" candidate? Last I checked this country was founded by property owners and businessmen opposed to excessive taxation imposed on them by a far away power. We are a capitalist country. Founded by capitalists for the benefit of capitalists. I don't about the rest of you, but I never got a job from a poor person.

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DannyOcean,

Re: Gore in 2000--you are wrong.

Al Gore ran a boring centrist campaign until the last seven days of the race, when he suddenly became a populist in campaign stops in Iowa and Florida. In that one week of campaigning, he overturned a Bush lead nationwide, overturned a Bush lead to win Iowa, and did the same in Florida, no matter what the U.S. Supreme Court or phony rioters recruited by James Baker say. The view that running a populist campaign even one week sooner would have won Gore the presidency is not the minority one.

Here in Ohio, some people claim the AFL-CIO GOTV effort is what shrank a Bush lead that was around 10% two weeks before election day to 3.5% in the actual vote. However, it's ignorant to believe that the people who knocked on all of those doors would have been motivated to make such an effort without a candidate who suddenly started preaching the message they wanted to hear but had not heard the entire year previous.

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As one who finds the killing of innocent people for business interests and, the lies and misinformation spewed to facilitate the use of military force totally in opposition to my values, Nader/ Gonzales is my only choice.
As one who believes we need an energy policy that will work for my kid, Nader/Gonzalez is my only choice.
As one who believes that the federal budget should not be skewed in favor of corporate interests and that our resources should be used for the good of all citizens, Nader/Gonzalez is my only choice.
and on and on.

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LOL at 2mc,

You still believe the Florida conspiracy theories. Gore lost Florida. He tried to cherry pick recounts in Dem counties to steal the election from Bush. SCOTUS put a stop to that, and made sure the recount was statewide, which is in line with the Constitution. How would you like it if McCain and Obama were neck and neck in Ohio, there was an election controversy, and McCain decided to try for a recount in Butler and Warren counties?

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Can any of you honestly say if someone gave you a million dollars, you wouldn't feel in the slightest way obligated to help that person down the road...

But if you only took money from the working american citizen, you would only be obligated to the working american citizen...

Votenader.org.

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Funny you bring that up, since I deliberately left it out of my post because it's not the point of issue discussed. I have griped about Gore's choosing a handful of counties for years now. But the fact is that his hand-picking was well within the guidelines of Florida election law. As an attorney--and a conservative one at that--if you're trying to justify "our consideration is limited to the present circumstances" as good law and proper use of Supreme Court authority you're either lying or you're nuts.

I wouldn't like it if the presidential election came down to a few counties in Ohio and McCain chose the most Republican counties. Funny you chose the two GOP counties with the most notorious and incompetent BoE staff, too. However, if the issues were litigated and Ohio election law clearly holds that it's fine for McCain to handpick a few counties, what I think about it makes no difference.

Gore's mistake was not asking for a recount of the whole state. But SCOTUS clearly would have used an arbitrary deadline to block that recount, just as it did in the case that actually happened.

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Gore gave up the presidency, he didn't lose it. Our constitution says nothing of a two party system. That's how the same, imperialist, globally oppressive people get in again and again, by limiting the choices.
Even so, when all was said and done, Gore did win, but the GOP and partisan Florida officials covered up the counts until the Supreme Court stopped the votes from being verified. I remember clearly Gore conceding to Bush when he was told by party leaders to let it go, despite others fighting hard for him against all the illegal shenanigans that went on, from GOP paid mobs preventing people from voting in poor democratic districts to shady counting standards.
The last thing the democrats can blame is Nader, just because he gave people a better choice. Gore clearly still won and bent over and gave up his presidency, for political purposes and compliance to power.
Obama is the same pro-war anti civil rights puppet as McCain, so Nader is a hero for giving us another choice. The system (not our constitution, just the globally oppressive power structure) is set up to make it hard for third parties,

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Standing up for our Constitution is about
as non-partisan as it gets.

It is not "far left" to pressure our gutless Incumbent House Democrats to Impeach, it is right on the money.

Incumbent House Democrats who refuse to even hold hearings to determine the truth about Bush's crimes, who refuse to honor their Oath of office to protect our Constitution, will "never "get you Single Payer Healthcare.

The House Democrats have ignored their Base for years.

Unless we threaten to un-elect them with negative campaigning they will continue to ignore us.

John H Kennedy,
43 yr Democratic voter, Obama delegate to the Denver County Democratic Convention, organizer of the
IMPEACH COLORADO COALITION http://ImpeachCO.com

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