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June 30th, 2008

Google’s culture ‘not fit’ for enterprise apps

Posted by Phil Wainewright @ 7:36 am

Categories: Google, Web 2.0, Customer experience

Tags: Software, Google Inc., Microsoft Corp., Tools & Techniques, Management, Phil Wainewright

Anyone hoping that Google Apps can rival Microsoft’s products in the enterprise marketplace will have pause for thought after reading the astonishing testimony of development manager Sergey Solyanik, who has just gone Back to Microsoft after a stint working at Google.

His blog post starts out innocuously enough with a list of good things at Google that Microsoft ought to emulate as an employer. But when it comes to “So why did I leave?” Solyanik rips into Google’s working practices, in particular criticizing the effects of its business model, which emphasizes free software at the expense of utility. His conclusion is brutal:

“Google as an organization is not geared — culturally — to delivering enterprise class reliability to its user applications.”

Solyanik leads up to this verdict with a three-step exposition. First of all his personal motivation for writing software:

“I can’t write code for the sake of the technology alone — I need to know that the code is useful for others, and the only way to measure the usefulness is by the amount of money that the people are willing to part with to have access to my work.”

From that starting point, he moves on to set out his dissatisfaction with Google’s emphasis on building Web properties that are popular, but which “primarily help people waste time online,” and its consequence for the engineering culture:

“This orientation towards cool, but not necessarilly useful or essential software really affects the way the software engineering is done. Everything is pretty much run by the engineering — PMs and testers are conspicuously absent from the process. While they do exist in theory, there are too few of them to matter.”

While that makes it a lot easier to get a software project finished, it doesn’t do much for the quality, he went on:

“It seems like every week 10% of all the features are broken in one or the other browser. And it’s a different 10% every week — the old bugs are getting fixed, the new ones introduced. This across Blogger, Gmail, Google Docs, Maps, and more. This is probably fine for free software, but I always laugh when people tell me that Google Docs is viable competition to Microsoft Office. If it is, that is only true for the occasional users who would not buy Office anyway.”

In conclusion, he sums up:

“[T]he culture at Google values “coolness” tremendously, and the quality of service not as much. At least in the places where I worked. Since I’ve been an infrastructure person for most of my life, I value reliability far, far more than “coolness”, so I could never really learn to love the technical work I was doing at Google.”

It’s a damning indictment, and one that casts a long shadow over Google’s attempts to replace Microsoft’s pre-eminence in the office collaboration software market with its Google Apps suite. As a disruptive competitor, it doesn’t have to match Microsoft Office feature-for-feature. But if it really is unreliable and buggy as Solyanik claims — and the current outage of Feedburner’s Web analytics service lends further weight to this view — then Google doesn’t even make the grade as a business-class SaaS provider.

Phil Wainewright is a commentator and strategist on emerging software industry trends. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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Truth, Google will never win the entrprise. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/30/08
Well I think they have won some of the Enterprises over... mrOSX   | 06/30/08
Try Live Search dragon@...   | 06/30/08
Live search... Stuka   | 06/30/08
Google is a better search engine LiquidLearner   | 06/30/08
Wow notsofast   | 07/01/08
Well I have tried live.com.... mrlinux   | 06/30/08
Given half the chance, every search result from the filthy monopoly fr0thy2   | 06/30/08
LOL - your such a twit - LOL socialism=nowhere   | 07/01/08
maps.live.com DEChandler   | 07/01/08
Search maybe, anything else no... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 06/30/08
Well if I remember correctly the first version... mrlinux   | 06/30/08
And, what does MS have in the enterprise? A rinky-dink OS, and an outdated DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
Guess you haven't noticed... Marty R. Milette   | 06/30/08
Here is a picture of the group at MS that had the culture necessary DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
Sooner or later... Marty R. Milette   | 06/30/08
not the best option for enterprise search 5ri   | 06/30/08
So what are you using ??? mrlinux   | 06/30/08
So, pray tell, what do you use? MSN? DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
Never is a long time Dude. TripleII   | 06/30/08
Too Right! Meesha   | 07/02/08
Truth, Google already HAS won the enterprise for search. MS is a miserable DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
Silliness daengbo   | 07/02/08
Not True, the "culture" of enterprise is changing vancejen   | 06/30/08
MS can't write for reliability either. Bruizer   | 06/30/08
I don't think you know what you're talking about! General C#   | 07/02/08
"Open Source as Free Software" = FUBAR dragon@...   | 06/30/08
Not sure that is FAIL... TheArchGroovus   | 06/30/08
Ok, we should trust the managers. They are the only ones that know DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
Back when MS was an actual innovator. TripleII   | 06/30/08
Very good points! Reminds me of Windows 1.0. DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
'Where Google does well is to truly supply fritterware. mhenriday   | 07/01/08
ZDNet "Add your opinion" dragon@...   | 07/07/08
"No Management, No Structure, No Discipline?" bmerc   | 07/01/08
Easy does it there cowboy! technology@...   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps TheArchGroovus   | 06/30/08
Different cultures dragonmago@...   | 06/30/08
whatever dude... patibulo   | 06/30/08
Kind of funny coming from MS whose products are still held together by duct DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
How can anyone take this at face value? TripleII   | 06/30/08
+1 AndyCee   | 07/02/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps tsavola   | 06/30/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps martin23   | 06/30/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps rohn.wood@...   | 06/30/08
Rule of thumb.... James Quinn   | 06/30/08
he plans to copy a lot of what google do stevey_d   | 06/30/08
Microsoft ? trenchsol   | 06/30/08
Let's also not forget Windows 1.0, Windows 2.0 and Windows 3.0, which all DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
And Microsoft is a model of reliable software ??? Basic Logic   | 06/30/08
Microsoft has many products, some more reliable, some not... Roque Mocan   | 06/30/08
For a small database, try SQLite! A great little project where you do not DonnieBoy   | 06/30/08
WRONG, it's doing it already stevey_d   | 06/30/08
Agree with not now but the future has not been written roadwarriorgeek   | 06/30/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps shmooth@...   | 06/30/08
Google == 1 dimensional company joemartn   | 06/30/08
The back to MS guy nailed it when he ... LBiege   | 06/30/08
World loves Google! MS workers like MSFT. jack of daniels   | 06/30/08
Google is the Future. Microsoft now irrelevant. jack of daniels   | 06/30/08
Fools and their money are soon parted,, socialism=nowhere   | 07/01/08
Well when they start writing the checks to pay for socialism=nowhere   | 07/01/08
Even Bill Gates left Microsoft jack of daniels   | 06/30/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps samuraywendel   | 06/30/08
Sometimes the ABMers are funny High Plains   | 07/01/08
Sometimes clueless fanboys are funny too kaiwai   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps bmorgen@...   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps IBKrusty   | 07/01/08
Enterprise versus Good Enough josephmartins   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps XeeMe   | 07/01/08
What is enterprise grade software? TJGodel   | 07/01/08
How long is a piece of string? kaiwai   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps randys@...   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps dianecmiles@...   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps atari8bit@...   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps peter.j.boyles@...   | 07/01/08
Solyanik's Blog contains obvious bias gavin.bollard@...   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps g.weberg@...   | 07/01/08
Microsoft paid these guys? kraterz   | 07/01/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps debo26july@...   | 07/02/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps Meesha   | 07/02/08
Best Practices Not BIAS Delivers ROI westrajc   | 07/02/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps pjones   | 07/02/08
I really don't think they want to do enterprise stuff CobraA1   | 07/02/08
Good points... socialism=nowhere   | 07/03/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps cvozzi@...   | 07/03/08
Solyanik not fit for Google mr_e_mann   | 07/03/08
Question the Source MBridge llc   | 07/07/08
RE: Google's culture 'not fit' for enterprise apps atari8bit@...   | 08/06/08
Guess you haven't noticed... Marty R. Milette   | 08/08/08

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