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October 6th, 2008

Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows

Posted by Adrian Kingsley-Hughes @ 6:43 am

Categories: Linux

Tags: Linux Laptop, Operating System, Laptop Computer, Linux, Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, UNIX, Open Source, Software, Adrian Kingsley-Hughes

Do people who pay $299 to $399 for a Linux notebook suffer greater levels of buyer’s remorse compared to those buying Windows machines?

According to MSI’s U.S. sales director Andy Tung this seems to be the case:

“We have done a lot of studies on the return rates and haven’t really talked about it much until now. Our internal research has shown that the return of netbooks is higher than regular notebooks, but the main cause of that is Linux. People would love to pay $299 or $399 but they don’t know what they get until they open the box. They start playing around with Linux and start realizing that it’s not what they are used to. They don’t want to spend time to learn it so they bring it back to the store. The return rate is at least four times higher for Linux netbooks than Windows XP netbooks.”
[Emphasis added]

So, people are attracted by the price, get the machine home, unpack it and fire it up. They then quickly figure out that the system isn’t booting up into Windows as expected and realize that while the price is right, they’d rather pay more for what they are used to. Put another way, what’s happening is that the wrong kind of users are being attracted to these machines based solely on price, but these folks aren’t willing to put in the effort to learn how to use Linux and find free alternatives to the software that they are used to paying for.

I’ve touched on the idea that this could be a stumbling block for Linux several times before, so it’s interesting to see an OEM confirming this. It also echos Wal-Mart’s Linux PC trials, which ended after Wal-Mart concluded that Linux wasn’t what their customers wanted. I wonder if Wal-Mart came to this conclusion based on returns.

I’ve not handled a Linux MSI Wind netbook but I’m also willing to put a few bucks down as a bet that MSI haven’t put in enough effort into making the the system user-friendly to those not coming from a Linux background. If returns really are four times higher for Linux compared to XP then something is really wrong with the way that the OS is being presented to newbies. Sure, some will never overcome the activation energy required to embrace a new OS (which is exactly the problem that Windows Vista is having ), but for most users Linux would make an ideal OS for a netbook. Sure, it’s not Windows and never will be, but it’s not hard to find applications (free applications) that will make the OS workable.

How do you sell Linux-based systems cheaper than the Windows counterparts without attracting the wrong kind of buyer? How do you get people to accept a multitude of operating systems being available for PCs in the same way as on their cell phones?

[UPDATE: Ed Bott picks up on this story. Overall I agree with what Ed says, especially when it comes to people valuing their time and that people are happy with what they already know (but that’s an argument that plays right into the hands of those who want to stick with XP and not make the shift to Vista). However, I am bothered by one point he makes:

“And this is for a product that is targeted at early adopters who are far more technically sophisticated than average; the MSI Wind is a tiny, dirt-cheap portable PC that has been selling like gangbusters to the digital elite and gadget freaks since its launch in June.”

I can find nothing to indicate that these netbooks are being bought exclusively by “early adopters who are far more technically sophisticated than average.” These netbooks are dirt cheap and I think that this makes the device attractive to average users - if these devices were aimed at early adopters I’d expect the price to be a lot higher.

Ed also mentions “rough edges and usability gotchas” but I think that we need to be careful here - we have no data relating to why the Linux systems are being returned.

I also think that we need to be careful how much we read into these returns numbers. I would imagine that even when dealing with four times the returns on an XP netbook, we’re still looking at quite low numbers in real terms.]

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Wow, can't wait to see the spin on this one! NonZealot   | 10/06/08
That didn't take long. ye   | 10/06/08
I think he's the Linux Mike Cox. Sleeper Service   | 10/06/08
..... Linux User 147560   | 10/06/08
Linux Geek is funnier then Mike Cox Cayble   | 10/06/08
How can you expect anyone to take you seriously... Core2uu   | 10/06/08
Netbooks are priced the same, whether Linux or Win$ raffym@...   | 10/07/08
Odd... I find Mike Cox to be MUCH funnier.. Wolfie2K3   | 10/07/08
I'm amazed he wasn't the 1st one in...I lost my bet on that one...nt USTechHead   | 10/06/08
I'm not; the true zealot was first! rahbm   | 10/06/08
I liked the Popcorn idea - most are great entertainment- USTechHead   | 10/07/08
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NetBook, Linus and EP sanctusmedia@...   | 10/06/08
Isn't that the point robgausten   | 10/07/08
making the change. DiAmOnDaGgEr   | 10/07/08
I agree with you 914four   | 10/07/08
No spin, it's simply they forgot... TripleII   | 10/06/08
no slamming, just want control opcom   | 10/08/08
that's pure M$ FUD! Linux Geek   | 10/06/08
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You're the Mike Cox for linux. DevGuy_z   | 10/06/08
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I guess one of the zealots has been heard from tswartz   | 10/06/08
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You must not understand the software business LiquidLearner   | 10/07/08
Doesn't make sense. storm14k   | 10/06/08
when you start so low that 2X only = 1% tech_walker   | 10/06/08
Same thing I was thinking Greenknight_z   | 10/07/08
Yep... fire it up and stare...... GetReal-mac.com   | 10/06/08
I recommend Mint Ole Man   | 10/08/08
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Ummm rodonn   | 10/08/08
M$ FUD! nimrod666   | 10/07/08
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Some more statistics would be helpful Michael Kelly   | 10/06/08
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people who can demo a machine... LinuxEnduser   | 10/06/08
Let's look at the original report. daengbo   | 10/06/08
Good argument. 914four   | 10/06/08
and going to the next referenced article... djchandler   | 10/07/08
Canonical confirms MSI's report daengbo   | 10/08/08
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I dont agree .. DiAmOnDaGgEr   | 10/07/08
User vs. computer beoz   | 10/07/08
you do have a point but .. DiAmOnDaGgEr   | 10/08/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows Loverock Davidson   | 10/06/08
Linux is a fine operation system. ye   | 10/06/08
I agree. DevGuy_z   | 10/06/08
re: linux is a fine os owner@...   | 10/06/08
Linux is good on servers... gypkap@...   | 10/06/08
There is nothing wrong with Linux per se. ye   | 10/06/08
Not germane Greenknight_z   | 10/07/08
You are correct tswartz   | 10/06/08
People don't wat to go off finding software? cbreaker   | 10/06/08
This I agree with .. DiAmOnDaGgEr   | 10/07/08
Why? clfitz@...   | 10/06/08
Updates LinuxEnduser   | 10/06/08
Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows Groenest   | 10/06/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows k1nj0   | 10/06/08
Don't waste your energy trolling cbreaker   | 10/06/08
Finally - someone who gets it piredude   | 10/06/08
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HAHAHAHA!!! Loverock Davidson   | 10/06/08
Can you type and read martin23   | 10/06/08
Can you? Loverock Davidson   | 10/06/08
Oh dear martin23   | 10/06/08
You don't get it Loverock Davidson   | 10/06/08
average users don't want to relearn computing tech_walker   | 10/06/08
Lets make it real simple martin23   | 10/06/08
The fact is we don't have enough facts. tomandnancyjones@...   | 10/07/08
It's like another commenter already pointed out joziki   | 10/06/08
But the ratio is still the same Loverock Davidson   | 10/06/08
why stop at 85% since your making up numbers tech_walker   | 10/06/08
Linux crap? Not sure ZDNet would agree. piredude   | 10/06/08
No, But Typing and TROLLING is Second Nature to Headrock! drprod@...   | 10/06/08
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Lies, damn lies and statistics 914four   | 10/06/08
dude. DiAmOnDaGgEr   | 10/07/08
Because of Windows XP entrenchment ... MisterMiester   | 10/06/08
Name One XP program that won't run on Vista. notlehs   | 10/06/08
There are programs that run on XP but not Vista Michael Kelly   | 10/06/08
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I haven't had problems with it Michael Kelly   | 10/06/08
As it does in Vista... Sleeper Service   | 10/06/08
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... DiAmOnDaGgEr   | 10/07/08
You think that all corporate users use off the shelf software? dinosaur_z   | 10/09/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows Linux User 147560   | 10/06/08
Stupid people can't read the large print on front of box cheapasskevin   | 10/06/08
That's not it... BR999   | 10/06/08
Ah... the Linux community mindset perfectly on display! mikefarinha   | 10/06/08
That's about it! Linux User 147560   | 10/06/08
Poland was last month. Sleeper Service   | 10/06/08
I kind of agree JT82   | 10/06/08
And that explains why Linux out numbers Windows in corporations! *nt* mikefarinha   | 10/06/08
Well... MisterMiester   | 10/06/08
..... Linux User 147560   | 10/06/08
Are these servers running on laptops? mikefarinha   | 10/06/08
..... Linux User 147560   | 10/06/08
Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows. mikefarinha   | 10/06/08
No one said Linux wasn't stable... gypkap@...   | 10/06/08
..... Linux User 147560   | 10/08/08
Linux rocks... donthetech   | 10/06/08
Hate to break it to you tswartz   | 10/06/08
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Linux User "IT Decisitions"? DaNoch-PTY   | 10/06/08
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huh? josephmartins   | 10/06/08
RE: Oh where to begin DaNoch-PTY   | 10/06/08
This is changing FAST Koin   | 10/06/08
What is this 1999 all over again? mikefarinha   | 10/06/08
No one is saying 'impending doom' Koin   | 10/06/08
Perhaps you want to clarify your 'MS Killer' statment then? *NT* mikefarinha   | 10/06/08
Well Koin   | 10/06/08
Another Outlook replacement? djchandler   | 10/07/08
Right, all it takes is to type 'make' at commandline. LBiege   | 10/06/08
..... Linux User 147560   | 10/06/08
Installing unclefixer@...   | 10/06/08
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PC OS vs cell phone OS Userama   | 10/06/08
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Wrong about "free alternatives" Anton Philidor   | 10/06/08
Linux v. XP heres_johnny   | 10/06/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows frederik1   | 10/06/08
Will anybody realize this? co-eddy   | 10/06/08
4x what? Yagotta B. Kidding   | 10/06/08
Good Point (nt) Marcos El Malo   | 10/06/08
Is it that surprising? Larry Dignan  ZDNet | 10/06/08
Apparently to some...but your right...nt USTechHead   | 10/06/08
You are wrong co-eddy   | 10/06/08
You are wrong ShadowGIATL   | 10/07/08
I was surprised, but maybe I shouldn't have been Marcos El Malo   | 10/06/08
The problem is... ShadowGIATL   | 10/06/08
MSI Wind don't need Linux to run well Zukuzu   | 10/06/08
Not worth the effort and risk Rick_R   | 10/06/08
Luckly users didn't think that 15 years ago... benitodarder   | 10/06/08
Very correct indeed .... MisterMiester   | 10/06/08
Similar story TranMan   | 10/06/08
Hmmm *nixFan   | 10/06/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows btidwell   | 10/06/08
Horrors!!! The rate of return is infinitely more for Windows than OS X. Letophoro   | 10/06/08
As they say nothing lies better than stats. alaniane@...   | 10/06/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows KNPepper   | 10/06/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows owner@...   | 10/06/08
RE: Linux laptops see 4x returns compared to Windows owner@...   | 10/06/08
Ditching Windows without returning it davidr69   | 10/06/08
Many rtk   | 10/06/08
I did wipe out XP Home dcdavy   | 10/06/08