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January 23rd, 2008

Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined at the hip

Posted by Mary Jo Foley @ 11:52 am

Categories: Vista, Windows client, Windows Live, Corporate strategy, Legal, Web 2.0, Windows 7

Tags: Microsoft Windows Live, Experience, Microsoft Corp., Microsoft Windows, Operating Systems, Software, Mary Jo Foley

The “plus” in Microsoft’s Software+Services strategy is going to get a lot more oomph in the not-too-distant future — at least according to a planning memo for Windows Live Wave 3 that I had a chance to see recently.

The memo — authored by Chris Jones, Corporate Vice President of Windows Live Experience, David Treadwell, Corporate Vice President of Live Platform Services, and Brian Arbogast, Corporate Vice President of Mobile Services — dates back to the summer of 2007. But it’s all about the future of Windows Live — and how Microsoft’s family of Windows-complementary services are going to get a lot more cozy with Windows and Internet Explorer.

Recent leaks regarding Microsoft’s next-generation Windows 7 release have all mentioned that the next version of Microsoft’s client operating system will be more tightly tied with Windows Live. The degree to which the two will be joined at the hip will become clearer, as Microsoft marches towards delivering Windows 7 in late 2009 or 2010 and Windows Live “Wave 3″ at the very end of 2008.

Even though the Windows and Windows Live engineering teams both report to Senior Vice President Steven Sinofsky, the two product families have had relatively integration and cross-pollination to date. But with the next releases of these products, a lot is going to change.

Some choice excerpts from the memo:

“We will invest to deliver a seamless experience for customers who own a Windows PC. We have a unique opportunity to remove the seams between Windows, our applications, and our services. Windows Live Wave 3 will be designed so it feels like a natural extension of the Windows experience.

“While we will target a seamless experience on Windows Vista, we will make a bet on the Windows 7 platform and experience, and create the best experience when connected with Windows 7. We will work with the Windows 7 team and be a first and best developer of solutions on the Windows 7 platform. Our experiences will be designed so when they are connected to Windows 7 they seamlessly extend the Windows experience, and we will work to follow the Windows 7 style guidelines for applications.”

And more from the memo:

“Windows Live Wave 3 will be designed so it feels like a natural extension of the Windows experience. … We will ‘light up’ the Windows experience with Windows Live. … What’s the relationship between a Windows account and a Windows Live ID (Microsoft’s Web-authentication technology)? Should we have a LiveID connected to account settings?”

The bottom line, according to the planning memo: “Windows Live will have value for every Windows customer. If you have an email account and use the Internet, Windows Live will make your experience better.”

It sounds like Microsoft’s current strategy of making Windows Live Photo Gallery an extension to Windows Vista is a very tiny tip of the iceberg. One of Microsoft’s main challenges will be to avoid being torpedoed by new antitrust lawsuits by its competitors and the European Union as it pushes to get the two product families in sync.

What kinds of Windows+Windows Live scenarios do you hope — and fear — Microsoft will deliver,going forward?

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Bundling dfolk   | 01/23/08
There is nothing illegal about bundling. TheTruthisOutThere   | 01/23/08
It is actually referred to as "tying" dfolk   | 01/23/08
There are 'hooks' in Win 7 to allow other top companies... quikboy   | 01/23/08
It depends maldain   | 01/24/08
I'll add... deuce63   | 01/24/08
As Bill Gates once said............ Ole Man   | 01/25/08
Hardly crypt2121   | 01/24/08
Message has been deleted. evilkillerwhale@...   | 01/24/08
Famous last words of a fanboy deuce63   | 01/24/08
I love it! Ole Man   | 01/25/08
Wait till the EU privacy group get wind and replies PokeyJoe   | 01/24/08
Bundling bdthompson   | 01/24/08
Why can't they give us a clean OS. bjbrock   | 01/23/08
They'd be cheating their shareholders John L. Ries   | 01/23/08
not the only function... but the only one most people pay attention to... shryko   | 01/24/08
I was being sarcastic, of course John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
Less code and More $ should please the shareholders ov1kenobi   | 01/24/08
Captive audience John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
That Would Be Zero, zulubuck   | 01/24/08
You'd be amazed... John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
What I have seen Ole Man   | 01/25/08
The minority don't count? kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
What he meant was.................. Ole Man   | 01/25/08
Now you are being facetious TripleII   | 01/23/08
A Windows "Kernel" would be nice ohiomike   | 01/24/08
I second that emotion! brownbagmusic@...   | 01/24/08
You just want the Kernel? DotNetWill   | 01/24/08
heck with kernel. give me the userspace portion only (nt) shryko   | 01/24/08
Why can't they give us a clean OS. morph000   | 01/24/08
well... evilkillerwhale@...   | 01/24/08
been my idea all along merc2dogs`   | 01/24/08
Poits are better made when they make sense kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
That's the point he was making . . . JLHenry   | 01/24/08
true.... rebelxhardcore   | 01/24/08
Name for me all the different programs you zulubuck   | 01/24/08
Not the point Dave32265   | 01/25/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly join zutt   | 01/23/08
Because Windows is a monopoly and there are zero viable alternatives. PB_z   | 01/23/08
Alternatives Windows Defender   | 01/23/08
He said "viable"... not goofy. TheWerewolf   | 01/23/08
Really? maldain   | 01/24/08
RE: Really Windows Defender   | 01/24/08
Because it 'just works' quikboy   | 01/23/08
Compatibility? kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
You may just have to... John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
Because: zulubuck   | 01/24/08
Ok, who will file the first lawsuit.... BitTwiddler   | 01/23/08
Dip $&$*$ at the EU probably - Euro Trash idiots socialism=nowhere   | 01/23/08
Really? ego.sum.stig@...   | 01/23/08
Euro Trash Idiots?????????????? c.ruddock@...   | 01/24/08
"Euro Trash Idiots"? How sad that bigots use I.T. also chas_2   | 01/24/08
Unfortunately, he speaks for a lot more than you'd think bmerc   | 01/24/08
Don't blame these yoyo's on . . . JLHenry   | 01/24/08
Nevertheless... John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
Obviously, MS is desperate to mix Windows proprietary protocols, apis, and DonnieBoy   | 01/23/08
Obviosuly as usual Blogsworth   | 01/23/08
How very obtuse of you SpikeyMike   | 01/23/08
You're obtuse as well quikboy   | 01/23/08
Hmmm SpikeyMike   | 01/25/08
Here's a shock for you DB, I agree 100% No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/23/08
Well, they may not care about all the details, but they do want DonnieBoy   | 01/23/08
I think you mistake what users want No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
I agree with that Michael Kelly   | 01/24/08
Yes and no... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
I hear what you are saying too Michael Kelly   | 01/24/08
Tail can't wag the dog.. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Wrong! Robert Crocker   | 01/23/08
Minor bumps mean little over time No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Minor Bumps....???? htotten   | 01/24/08
Your problem is you are still thinking "applications". No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Axe you're right but... maldain   | 01/24/08
Not even arguing your point but... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
What usual pains? zulubuck   | 01/24/08
My Mum Doesn't Care DotNetWill   | 01/24/08
Exactlly, and... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
If this is the MS strategy then........ carlsf@...   | 01/23/08
Your stratergy is... Blogsworth   | 01/23/08
sounds to me... Dave32265   | 01/24/08
I would really rather that they did not do that balsover   | 01/23/08
Please read the article kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
Yes, but can I access my stuff offline? CobraA1   | 01/23/08
"7 Lives to Live!" Mike Cox   | 01/23/08
Why is this AWESOME? carrilion   | 01/23/08
Isn't that AOL? Or Google for that matter? quikboy   | 01/23/08
5.9 but fresh fish shallow_diver   | 01/24/08
Google? kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
Trust me... John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined at the hip interstar   | 01/23/08
Hum...I guess it's time for firefox... mikifinaz1@...   | 01/23/08
Hmm? quikboy   | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined at the hip jonathan_stephenson@...   | 01/23/08
Isn't Windows Live..... Joe_Racer   | 01/23/08
Do your Research Windows Defender   | 01/23/08
Whats the difference? Joe_Racer   | 01/24/08
Difference Windows Defender   | 01/24/08
They are both online services Joe_Racer   | 01/24/08
Acutally, it's still having issues maldain   | 01/24/08
Not with me kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
Idiots. techboy_z   | 01/23/08
I Don't Like Windows Live chessmen   | 01/23/08
What's wrong with it? quikboy   | 01/23/08
What's wrong with NOT wanting to have it forced upon us? thungurknifur   | 01/24/08
Simple Answer bdthompson   | 01/24/08
Agrue the point kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
Microsoft is Pressured by Apple carrilion   | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft is Pressured by Apple Windows Defender   | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly join atari8bit@...   | 01/23/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly join standeman3   | 01/23/08
Wow, Just Like IE... itanalyst   | 01/23/08
But if Apple bundles Google stuff with their products... quikboy   | 01/23/08
Can You Remove The Google Stuff? itanalyst   | 01/24/08
Natutral evolution of PCs No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/23/08
Interesting vision Robert Crocker   | 01/23/08
I think you are off base. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
The mere existance of DataPortability.org Spke   | 01/23/08
And I would bet 99.9% of user never heard of No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
They don't need to CobraA1   | 01/24/08
And OOXML is the standard No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Waiting for you to say that, thanks! Ole Man   | 01/24/08
Yesd, I know the MS bashers rant endlessly, no one cares. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Didn't know your name was no one Ole Man   | 01/24/08
Waiting for you to post intelligent stuff transposeIT   | 01/24/08
Stuff is unintelligible Ole Man   | 01/25/08
Are we moving in that direction? CobraA1   | 01/23/08
Active Desktop? ehigg   | 01/23/08
t's a game changing move, one that I completely disagree with dan_n_boggs@...   | 01/23/08
IMPORTANT NOTE brian.shapiro   | 01/23/08
A MUCH MUCH MORE IMPORTANT NOTE TechExec2   | 01/26/08
I suggest gOS sue MS asap zaine_ridling   | 01/24/08
Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined Jeremy W   | 01/24/08
all news about win7 are pure FUD qmlscycrajg   | 01/24/08
Vista is a flop and Live as well - Good combination! msftzzz   | 01/24/08
I guess you didn't see theri record income story No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
I Guess You Missed The DRM Story Too Bitty Don itanalyst   | 01/24/08
No one cares child... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Not to mention Ole Man   | 01/24/08
Did you see the news on MS's earnings? No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
I saw the samo samo..... Microsoft have always cooke the books Ole Man   | 01/24/08
idea: evilkillerwhale@...   | 01/24/08
You Must Work At MSFT! msftzzz   | 01/24/08
Blah Blah Blah kdjkdj@...   | 01/24/08
Wow 30 Years! msftzzz   | 01/24/08
Gee, and their earnings report says you are dead wrong. No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Clever Accounting Techniques are Used to Make Internet Millionaires Ole Man   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly join oregonnerd13   | 01/24/08
Please stop using trendy expressions. GrizzledGeezer   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly join lim_yong_siang@...   | 01/24/08
Key: "We will be the first and best developer... on the Windows 7" pointzerotwo@...   | 01/24/08
What Do I Fear? A REPEAT chas_2   | 01/24/08
So then use something else... No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
I agree John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
I have always said No_Ax_to_Grind   | 01/24/08
Tough to argue with that deuce63   | 01/24/08
Well put deuce63   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined at the hip bhall@...   | 01/24/08
Windows Mail goodbye, Live Mail hello hansonjb   | 01/24/08
Synchronizing the EU orcmid   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly join gherreram@...   | 01/24/08
It's like Win2000 and WinXP Mihail.a.dimitrov@...   | 01/24/08
Not quite John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
A better way of putting it John L. Ries   | 01/24/08
Windows NT kernel rebelxhardcore   | 01/24/08
I agree. micheleh@...   | 01/24/08
windows 2003? evilkillerwhale@...   | 01/24/08
Windows Vista... evilkillerwhale@...   | 01/24/08
Hey PC Man go back to work! msftzzz   | 01/24/08
Oups! msftzzz   | 01/24/08
The Trouble with Vista Ole Man   | 01/24/08
Trouble with Vista? transposeIT   | 01/25/08
No! Microsoft has suckered another $Billions$ Ole Man   | 01/25/08
Enough with the extras already ilovebacon   | 01/24/08
Totally Agree! msftzzz   | 01/24/08
Lets just hope Windows Live doesn't have a Xbox Live type outage John Musbach   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined at the hip Tanset   | 01/24/08
RE: Microsoft memo: Windows 7 and Windows Live to be even more tightly joined at the hip captainfp@...   | 01/24/08
Great msdead   | 01/28/08

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