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July 7th, 2008

How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 5:00 am

Categories: Microsoft, Hardware Infrastructure, Enterprise Computing, Virtualization, Desktop, General, Business

Tags: Microsoft Windows Vista, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Jason Perlow

lenonade1.jpgIn a previous article I talked about some of the ways Microsoft might be able to learn from its mistakes with Windows Vista and deliver a winner with Windows 7. I also hit pretty close to home with a number of readers when I talked about the real world problems my own Mother-in-law has been having with her Vista machine — and how I may have to eventually downgrade her to XP. So the question is — how do we get past this? How do we end the negative sentiments that people have about Vista? Clearly, this is not just a perception is reality thing. Many, many industry pundits, analysts and experts alike have noted that Vista has a large number of compatibility, performance and usability issues, this despite Microsoft’s best efforts to patch the system with SP1. Some people arguably have experienced more of these Vista problems than others, which vary depending entirely on the hardware they have and the software they actually run.

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My own Mother-In-Law is having a horrible time with Vista because she uses a critical vertical application for the Real Estate industry that runs on a web site that was never designed to run on Vista and Internet Explorer 7, and is experiencing constant bugs with the latest Vista updates to AOL Instant Messenger. I can’t run Vista on my own laptop because none of my company’s internal applications and support stack are certified to work with it and Office 2007 and Visio 2007 works just fine on XP. This situation is extremely common, as many large companies have standardized builds of Windows with a specific stack of stuff that needs to be deployed to many thousands of people.

bloatware.jpg(Click on left photo for video) Other people have problems running specific applications and utilities that are deal breakers for Vista, such as VPN clients and home-grown legacy applications that were built for older versions of Windows and won’t function correctly in Vista due to its security model or other quirks. At the end of the day, most people that are running the new OS have problems with SOMETHING on Vista, be it an actual incompatibility or usability annoyances and it doesn’t seem to matter if it’s on new systems that have it preloaded or on upgraded machines. This is not a mountains-out-of-a-molehill-don’t-worry-we’ll-get-past-this-soon problem. These are real problems, they are documented all over the industry and in test labs in every major IT department in large corporations, and all signs have led to the sad truth that its the most painful Windows transition we’ve ever had to make. The Vista apologists can flame the hell out of me, I don’t care, because I’m telling it like it is. I wear asbestos-lined underwear and I’m from New Jersey. I can handle the abuse, trust me.

So with Vista being what it is, what do we do? Clearly, for consumers who buy new PCs, there isn’t much choice in the matter.  Those folks are are getting Vista by default (well, okay, unless they buy a Dell or Lenovo machine and can get Linux as an installable option) unless their OEM can offer them some sort of downgrade certificate at extra cost. This is only a realistic option until April of 2009, when the entitlements run out for OEMs.

Corporations with Enterprise Agreements can continue to use XP until 2014, so they can continue to wait things out a bit  — at least until their current crop of PC’s has to be replaced and the new systems absolutely won’t run XP bare-metal anymore. They could also decide to get creative and go with a virtual infrastructure with centralized virtualized desktops and thin clients — a real alternative that CIOs are actually considering now.

Given these challenges, what can Microsoft itself do to entice people now to go out and get new Vista systems or upgrade their existing systems given all the bad press?

As I suggested with a possible design strategy for Windows 7, I still think virtualization is the answer. Yeah, I know, I think virtualization is the answer to everything — it will deliver world peace and end world hunger and the energy crisis — but bear with me for a moment. What if Microsoft were to offer a free download of an XP SP3 Virtual Machine image that any Vista user can use to run their legacy apps on, in a mature environment? This way, they’d be able to take advantage of all of Vista’s new features, plus have the safety of a “sandboxed” XP environment to run those sticky apps that break Vista.

And although Microsoft has said they aren’t going to port Hyper-V to Vista in a “lite” version (which would be my preference, since we now know the basic technology works well) they could partner with a company like Sun — who they already have a technology sharing alliance with — and provide xVM VirtualBox 1.6 as a free download with the pre-baked XP3 VM, which could be stripped down and optimized so it doesn’t eat up a ton of memory. (EDIT: They could certainly use their own Virtual PC 2007 as well, but its not as versatile or as high performance as VirtualBox.)  And to sweeten the pot even further, I’d partner with a major memory vendor like Crucial/Micron or Kingston to offer RAM upgrades at a discounted price for anyone with a legit Vista license.

What else can Microsoft do to make lemonade out of lemons? Talk Back and let me know.

The postings and opinions on this blog are my own and don’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions, strategies or opinions.

Jason Perlow (click to email) is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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When you're locked in to a proprietary... bjbrock   | 07/07/08
Not really necessary to bother with Windows ME version 2 at all. golstat2003   | 07/07/08
with a virtual XP machine inside. deowll   | 07/09/08
Think of XP Under Virtualization as Patches for MicroShaft Addiction drprod@...   | 07/09/08
until finally, you just step off the MicroShaft merry-go-round altogether deowll   | 07/09/08
No, this isn't ME version 2. JDLjr   | 07/18/08
All software solutions are proprietary frgough   | 07/07/08
Who says you need to run Windows apps? Michael Kelly   | 07/07/08
Irrelevant to the point frgough   | 07/07/08
Who says you use all the features? Resuna   | 07/08/08
lot of them don't NEED to. deowll   | 07/09/08
Why do you hate wine? chemist109   | 07/07/08
I find it humours that people complain about Vista compatibility yet... ye   | 07/07/08
Because frgough   | 07/07/08
..... Linux User 147560   | 07/07/08
Uh, that kind of defeats the purpose numbnuts. deowll   | 07/09/08
Have you tried CrossOver Linux ? EdNetman   | 07/08/08
True, but.... JasonVene   | 07/07/08
The real problem is in Microsoft Mikael_z   | 07/08/08
Mac OS X jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
Don't get it twisted Jason... i8thecat   | 07/08/08
It has its applications. Run my entire enterprise? I think not. jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
Have you ever worked in an IT shop before??? blu_vg@...   | 07/08/08
Mac OS X in the Corporate World Masari.Jones   | 07/08/08
How many employees.... jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
This really has nothing to do with Mac OS X, and everything to do with XP blu_vg@...   | 07/08/08
Yes, Microsoft has removed freedom to choose, or at least made it very hard Mikael_z   | 07/08/08
Mac OS X, is it so hard to see? deowll   | 07/09/08
You are fools for being locked into proprietary solutions in the first Lerianis   | 07/09/08
Exactly deowll   | 07/09/08
Old software -New OS deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: The blame game. donnellb   | 07/07/08
Um, you are missing something ccrashh   | 07/07/08
Then the author is leaving something out GuidingLight   | 07/07/08
Television is not a good analogy jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
How many people do you know who have actually Tried... xuniL_z   | 07/07/08
It just means they're never going to be happy. ye   | 07/07/08
exactly. I've said the same too many times actually knowing.. xuniL_z   | 07/10/08
good analogy reedjjjr   | 07/08/08
So what did these people do with the release of... ye   | 07/07/08
Easy answer rhomp2002@...   | 07/07/08
So your answer is they were 100% backward compatible? ye   | 07/07/08
Nope, read... TedKraan   | 07/08/08
It's a rhetorical question. ye   | 07/08/08
Again the Blame Game donnellb   | 07/07/08
rE: Again the Blame Game n0neXn0ne   | 07/07/08
But... Sleeper Service   | 07/07/08
rather custom built, really freaking expensive applications deowll   | 07/09/08
re:RE: The blame game. n0neXn0ne   | 07/07/08
She should not have upgraded then. osreinstall   | 07/07/08
No choice jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
Yes there is. osreinstall   | 07/07/08
Sounds like she had a choice to me: ye   | 07/07/08
Some people are forced into making choices jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
Yes, it is her choice. No one forced her to buy... ye   | 07/07/08
The woman is in a bind. deowll   | 07/09/08
People lose their minds when talking about MS NonZealot   | 07/07/08
They are right to complain Michael Kelly   | 07/07/08
Right on nilotpal_c   | 07/07/08
How about this? James Quinn   | 07/07/08
How about it.? You totally can do that. <nt> xuniL_z   | 07/10/08
Re:People lose their minds when talking about MS Kid Icarus   | 07/07/08
re: blame game owner@...   | 07/07/08
Why would you rush to port your hardware rhomp2002@...   | 07/07/08
Why would you rush to port your hardware? deowll   | 07/09/08
Exactly right Lerianis   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons dprozzo   | 07/07/08
RE: ...sour Vista lemons n0neXn0ne   | 07/07/08
There is a good reason why you cannot install IE6 Lerianis   | 07/09/08
or made their software vendor rewrite the application so that it works on deowll   | 07/09/08
It is MS's fault Kid Icarus   | 07/07/08
Times are changing, and MS is now left with a Catch 22. deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons Sleeper Service   | 07/07/08
Why the insistance on replacing a working system? ye   | 07/07/08
NOT the American way...he heh heh James Quinn   | 07/07/08
vista has 4 legs, not 2 Ken_SF   | 07/07/08
Get over the bloated argument already. ye   | 07/07/08
To be fair to the previous poster... James Quinn   | 07/07/08
Why do people get so hung up on resources requirements? ye   | 07/07/08
HAHAHAHAH Kid Icarus   | 07/07/08
@Kid Icarus: Yep. ye   | 07/07/08
RE: system requirements AndyCee   | 07/07/08
@AndyCee: I've done that repeatedly. ye   | 07/07/08
Yeah, uhhh..ok Kid Icarus   | 07/07/08
@Kid Icarus: Already been provided over and over and... ye   | 07/07/08
Sigh..All I got was a "Product not available" message James Quinn   | 07/08/08
@James Quinn: Looks like it's been discontinued ye   | 07/08/08
Fair enough...but. James Quinn   | 07/08/08
@James Quinn: What is the fascination with... ye   | 07/08/08
Ignorance is a rather harsh term...:P James Quinn   | 07/08/08
@James Quinn: The requirement was a system that runs VISTA well. ye   | 07/08/08
when brand new computers capable of running Vista deowll   | 07/09/08
What is the MLS software? And does it run under Linux? ye   | 07/07/08
The MLS software jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
If it doesn't work with Linux then why is this a Vista issue? ye   | 07/07/08
It -IS- a Vista issue jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
Sounds more like an SP1 issue. ye   | 07/07/08
OT: Please teach your kids that .50 cents != 50 cents bmgoodman   | 07/07/08
Offering an XP VM means Michael Kelly   | 07/07/08
Just make sure the finger is pointing at the right culprit aalhc5@...   | 07/07/08
But now he can't get the version he wants... JasonVene   | 07/07/08
Except... Sleeper Service   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons johann@...   | 07/07/08
You're joking, aren't you? Sleeper Service   | 07/07/08
Don't feed troll AndyCee   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons wagiera   | 07/07/08
Maxtor driver/program problems, Okidata driver issues, etc.). deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons hlthtm@...   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons 1ceman   | 07/07/08
Will current software be upward compatible with Microsoft's next operating deowll   | 07/09/08
How fast can you say ... johnfenjackson@...   | 07/07/08
Microsoft offered XP for 18 months past the release... ye   | 07/07/08
18 months ? Santa_z   | 07/07/08
Why does Apple force me to buy Leopard? ye   | 07/07/08
Sick to the truth. deowll   | 07/09/08
Right on! tunghoy   | 07/07/08
Better idea ... johnfenjackson@...   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons JayKaplan   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons alaudel   | 07/07/08
4GB... but actually 3.5GB jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
So let me see if I've got this right. ye   | 07/07/08
Because 64-bit XP... jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
But your recommendation consumes more memory than... ye   | 07/07/08
That is not the point jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
Yes, you can run XP in a 2GB VM. And for what purpose? ye   | 07/08/08
That is not the point deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons dwood005@...   | 07/07/08
Some thing is not configured right. deowll   | 07/09/08
Microsoft has serious problems BALTHOR   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons el_condor_1@...   | 07/07/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons DonBurnett   | 07/07/08
Virtual PC jperlow  ZDNet | 07/07/08
run Virtual PC well and folks I repeat it's FREE.. deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons cartoonasaurus   | 07/07/08
This "virtual machine" is exactly what Apple did deowll   | 07/09/08
what part of... cartoonasaurus   | 07/09/08
Who is an average user? deowll   | 07/09/08
Until Today frj111@...   | 07/07/08
What about the games? TedKraan   | 07/08/08
Enterprise vs home user. kraterz   | 07/08/08
So how are you dealing with the aging hardware? jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
Enterprise doesn't go to Best Buy for PCs. osreinstall   | 07/08/08
Is it up to Microsoft...? Resuna   | 07/08/08
DRM and MPAA and rigestered Windows user are a pain. deowll   | 07/09/08
Jason, you are not getting it.... Narg   | 07/08/08
This is not a single instance jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
It never is. Funny how Linux users, who claim superiority, have... ye   | 07/08/08
Why are you classifying me jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
Oh I don't know. Could it be this: ye   | 07/08/08
I got news for you jperlow  ZDNet | 07/08/08
LOL! ye   | 07/08/08
same kinda instance here TedKraan   | 07/09/08
The only "maintenance" I've done to my Vista systems is... ye   | 07/09/08
A mission in life alf@...   | 07/09/08
I would rather have the grail quest tbh (NT) TedKraan   | 07/09/08
Enterprises and end-users are having a great deal of problems with Vista. deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons pabeverly   | 07/08/08
Are you insane? Seriously and with all respect. deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons madrucke@...   | 07/08/08
Maybe They Already Are Making Lemonade! donden@...   | 07/08/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons jwgebhardt   | 07/08/08
I sent my purchased copy of Vista upgrade back to Microsoft. deowll   | 07/09/08
Vista is 1/2 the problem.. Office 2007 is the other. friedsonjm@...   | 07/08/08
Did you try Firefox or Opera for MLS? Earthling2   | 07/09/08
Why not put your lemons into a Virtual PC 2007? Earthling2   | 07/09/08
ouch... Earthling2   | 07/09/08
They need a standard image jperlow  ZDNet | 07/09/08
Part of these problems are not coming from Vista Lerianis   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons cd003284@...   | 07/09/08
Obama is going to raise taxes or he's not a democrate. deowll   | 07/09/08
RE: How to make sweet lemonade out of sour Vista lemons doting.daddy   | 07/09