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August 4th, 2008

How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista

Posted by Jason Perlow @ 2:52 pm

Categories: Linux, Open Source, Microsoft, Software Infrastructure, Virtualization, Desktop, VMWare, Personal Technology

Tags: Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows Vista, Rachel, Microsoft Windows Vista (Longhorn), Web Browsers, Operating Systems, Microsoft Windows, Software, Internet

strangeglove-vista.jpgThe Mother-in-law versus Vista battle cold war never ends. Every week, it’s something different that goes wrong that brings us to the brink of annihilation, and I have to swoop in on the weekends to fix the inevitable new problem that comes up. Fortunately, I have the system more or less stabilized, and I finally figured what was going wrong with her Multiple Listing System printing out all sorts of HTML garbage issue. You care about how I figured it out, right? No? Well, too bad.

You see, being as protective and sensitive to virus and spyware issues that I am, I installed Mozilla Firefox on mom’s laptop, in addition to a virus scanner and spyware sweeping software and some other general crapware cleaning utilities. This has always been my standard operating procedure on my own XP systems, which I maintain primarily now as VM’s running on my servers. Naturally, I carried forward the same methodology to mom’s Windows Vista laptop.

Click on the “Read the rest of this entry” link below for more.

When I installed Firefox, I answered the following question when prompted - “Use Firefox as the default system browser?” - naturally, I answered yes. Unbeknownst to me, with this single click of a mouse, I screwed up mom’s line of business application.

You see, as it pertains to Vista, when you do this, a number of default file associations get set in the registry to use Firefox instead of Internet Explorer 7. While this may not affect a lot of web sites, it did happen to affect Garden State MLS, the main web site she uses. I had to do a lot of Googling to find out just exactly why this was happening, but eventually, the solution to this problem was  “Uninstall Firefox”. EDIT: Oh, I tried the expected path of using Control Panel and fixing the file associations in the GUI. Didn’t work.

On her previous XP machine, I had her using Firefox and IE 7 for different uses. IE 7 for GSMLS, because it was an IE-only site, and Firefox for her other uses. Everything worked fine, and I even had Firefox set as her default browser. Spyware and Virii were kept at bay, and everyone was happy. But clearly, when installed on Windows Vista, the application installation and registry interaction clearly does not behave the same. Granted, her older box used Firefox 2.0.0.14 and the new one 3.0, but when I regression tested 3.0 as the default browser on my own XP systems and with the GSMLS site, it worked just fine. The problem reproduced itself on a Vista VM running on my ESX 3i box and on my father in law’s new Acer laptop running Vista Basic. So this is clearly an issue that only manifests itself on Vista.

I had thought I had finally isolated all my Vista woes until this last week. My wife’s PC, a HP XW4100 workstation, a dual 3.0ghz Pentium 4 system, is starting to show its sign of age. I recently upgraded it to 2GB of RAM so she could use her DVD Slideshow maker program and Blurb for making self-published photo albums, both of which are very CPU and memory intensive. Her copy of XP is also starting to exhibit signs of 2 year crotch rot, which means it’s facing a re-install.

I decided rather than to re-install the old box with XP, that I would order a new PC and recycle her old machine as a Linux test box or NAS server. COSTCO, as it turns out, is running a nice system on sale, a DELL 4GB SDRAM Intel Core2 Quad with 500GB hard drive, sans monitors, for $599  which is preloaded with Vista Premium. As much as I wanted to get Lenovos, these particular Dells ended up being cheaper than my own corporate discount for an equivalent machine, so I picked one of these up for myself. Rachel is going to get my current Taiwanese Frankenstein special ASUS M2N-based machine with an Athlon X2 5000+ with 4GB RAM and whatever other spare parts I throw into it, with a fresh XP SP3 install. No need to make my wife suffer with Vista when her current environment works fine.

I, on the other hand, will image the Vista install that comes with the box, throw a second 500GB hard disk in it, re-initialize the drives, run RAID, and install Ubuntu as my primary OS. Vista can sit sandboxed on a 4GB VM on Hyper-V or ESX 3i where it belongs on my server. Keep that evil beast in its cage!

Have you finally submitted to Vista as your post-apocalyptic zombie overlord or are you seeking refuge in your XP SP3 or Linux bomb shelter? Talk Back and let me know.

Jason Perlow (click to email) is a technologist with over two decades of experience integrating large heterogeneous multi-vendor computing environments in Fortune 500 companies. See his full profile and disclosure of his industry affiliations.

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RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista
Vista is very good.

I always try the latest Ubuntu and SUSE but they always disapoint and I go back to Windows. I have used OS 10.0 to 10.4 but it feels dumbed down and the dock slows me down.... (Read the rest)
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in its cage where it belongs jaytischler   | 08/04/08
try xp drivers bananatwinkie   | 08/05/08
I bought vista 64x business only for one application - it is on dual boot coffee junky   | 08/05/08
wireless and flash cards stuoutlaw1@...   | 08/11/08
Kubuntu on main desktop ... MisterMiester   | 08/04/08
Not here! daMan25   | 08/05/08
Well .. MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
If you cant.... judgesinel@...   | 08/05/08
Don't try to run old software? Isocrates   | 08/05/08
Please read the post ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
Not here either! Northlite   | 08/06/08
Malware virus and Trojans Crestview   | 08/05/08
Lions, tiger and bears Spiritusindomit@...   | 08/05/08
Blame the Victim? MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
Yes. Yes it is. Sleeper Service   | 08/05/08
It never ceases to amaze me ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
Reading comp? laura.b   | 08/05/08
Read the title of the original post ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
Caveat emptor Sleeper Service   | 08/05/08
take advantage of the tools... jlafitte   | 08/06/08
Yes, actually laura.b   | 08/05/08
Once again ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
That's how it works in Windows too. ye   | 08/05/08
Thanks ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
DON'T Run As Administrator or in Administrator Group PMC-CON   | 08/05/08
Should be the default ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
@MisterM -- IE7 in Protected Mode IS the Default in Vista! PMC-CON   | 08/05/08
Sorry ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
@MisterMiester: Whether it's installed on your systems or not is irrelevent ye   | 08/06/08
@ye - Vista wasn't even part of the thread ... MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: It makes no sense to say they should fix it... ye   | 08/06/08
@ye -XP is really dead? MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester : Perhaps you could read the entire sentence instead... ye   | 08/06/08
@ye - You make no sense ... MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: Just because something is still sold and supported... ye   | 08/06/08
@ye - Once again ... MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: Once again: ye   | 08/06/08
@ye - "Fixed" in Vista is Irrelevant ... MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
@MisterMiester: I don't disagree this could have been addressed in XP. ye   | 08/06/08
Technically your comparing apples and oranges alaniane@...   | 08/06/08
Apples and Oranges? MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
So right...finally somebody intelligent Predator106   | 09/01/08
Re:Malware virus and Trojans IBMpreferred   | 08/05/08
Doesn't have Vista on his machines... Sleeper Service   | 08/06/08
Drama? MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
Yes. Sleeper Service   | 08/06/08
Hey Sleeper ... MisterMiester   | 08/06/08
No thanks, MM... Sleeper Service   | 08/07/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista chrispcade   | 08/04/08
Vista n ease of networking !! sucks !! mariyajohn@...   | 08/05/08
Not really Spiritusindomit@...   | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista spywarebiz@...   | 08/04/08
Transferring from XP to Vista a disaster -p help warogren@...   | 08/05/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista Solid Jedi Knight   | 08/04/08
I agree j.e.taylor@...   | 08/05/08
I agree. deowll   | 08/07/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista chromeronin   | 08/04/08
Mr Cool j.e.taylor@...   | 08/05/08
Message has been deleted. MIKEC0X   | 08/04/08
You're right, but... dcoaster   | 08/04/08
I prefer black and white films and ... jperlow  ZDNet | 08/04/08
RE: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Windows Vista beoz   | 08/04/08
I also bought a Dell preloaded with Vista . . . What a disaster. Basic Logic   | 08/04/08
You DEGRADED to XP. bananatwinkie   | 08/05/08
Rejection is a Valid Customer Choice Cardhu   | 08/05/08
After two months of Vista, I had enough wackoae   | 08/04/08
I suggest you... Sleeper Service   | 08/05/08
Why does he have to know what he's doing? storm14k   | 08/05/08
Who are you to say that? dreampainter   | 08/05/08
Perhaps because you and they didn't try and "fix" Vista. ye   | 08/05/08
How Many Friends Are You Speaking Of? Cardhu   | 08/05/08
To be blunt: I don't believe you. At least try to be believable. ye   | 08/05/08
keep in mind rtk   | 08/05/08
My Testimony Cardhu   | 08/06/08
@Cardhu: I have no doubt you work with a lot of people. ye   | 08/06/08
ye: you must be a particularly antisocial person. james.faction   | 08/06/08
The Easiest Thing To See Is Your Own Expectations Cardhu   | 08/06/08
Complete crazy talk. It doesn't jibe with the facts Cayble   | 08/08/08
Vista License Distributions Cardhu   | 08/08/08
Does that then mean... wolf_z   | 08/05/08
Does that then mean... POPPA G   | 08/05/08
Not according to the MS fans... storm14k   | 08/05/08
Bull Real World   | 08/05/08
The end user doesn't have to tweak. ye   | 08/05/08
You assume far too much. jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
Interesting. rtk   | 08/05/08
So... Sleeper Service   | 08/06/08
@jperlow: I assume too much? Let's examine what I said: ye   | 08/06/08
When Microsoft doesn't release the spec it is not the Manufacturer's fault mead.rose@...   | 08/05/08
incorrect rtk   | 08/05/08
Works fine here CobraA1   | 08/05/08
Disk Defragmentation tool present and accounted for... dreampainter   | 08/05/08
OEM preload variation jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
Do you have supporting evidence for that? wolf_z   | 08/05/08
Not the build jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
It's not *in* a menu wolf_z   | 08/05/08
Well, for what its worth jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
Funny I keep hearing how MS dictates everything to OEMs. ye   | 08/05/08
Hmmm, why then maldain   | 08/05/08
not only... gnesterenko   | 08/06/08
slight correction rtk   | 08/06/08
ME's instability was all drivers Crestview   | 08/05/08
I Had to Do The Same Sort of Things to XP PMC-CON   | 08/05/08
oops CobraA1   | 08/06/08
after a year + with Vista its the only way to go tech_walker   | 08/04/08
I agree, have all these people been under a rock since vista first arrived? cssrules@...   | 08/05/08
*sigh* louiswu   | 08/05/08
Perhaps I should have gone into detail jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
It could be worse. Salonikios   | 08/05/08
Certainly not anti-Microsoft. jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
ROFL n0neXn0ne   | 08/05/08
Hey, its not a foregone conclusion jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
RE: Hey ..., In a "Tech Broiler"'s term, it's called ... n0neXn0ne   | 08/05/08
Pro-Linux Salonikios   | 08/05/08
Pro and Con jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
So you haven;t used Vist then? Bozzer   | 08/05/08
Used in what kind of capacity? jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
Normally based on the "tone" of your socialism=nowhere   | 08/05/08
Vista requirements easily met. xuniL_z   | 08/05/08
Its about the same as the pro-MS articles...(nt) storm14k   | 08/05/08
What's worse is he installed Firefox... ye   | 08/05/08
whats worse ferrit@...   | 08/05/08
I Agree With You On This PMC-CON   | 08/05/08
I don't recall having said Firefox was crap. ye   | 08/05/08
You Wrote ... PMC-CON   | 08/05/08
"Crap" was in reference to the folllowing: ye   | 08/06/08
I use Vista since January 2007: it runs great! qmlscycrajg   | 08/05/08
I'm running Vista 64 bit, works fine. CobraA1   | 08/05/08
Ongoing Vista Issues Chad_z   | 08/05/08
Better fit with Linux ... MisterMiester   | 08/05/08
except rtk   | 08/05/08
Vista-bashing is just more Microsoft-bashing plainstreet@...   | 08/05/08
RE: Vista-bashing ... Microsoft-bashing n0neXn0ne   | 08/05/08
It's Not "Bashing," It's Word-Of-Mouth Advertising Cardhu   | 08/05/08
If you truely have ever spent *any* time here xuniL_z   | 08/06/08
Three Words For You Cardhu   | 08/07/08
Three other words for you rtk   | 08/07/08
True To Your Form Cardhu   | 08/08/08
The substance of my point rtk   | 08/08/08
I Provided The Substance Cardhu   | 08/08/08
Cradhu... Sleeper Service   | 08/06/08
Still no good after 18 months Unknown   | 08/06/08
Ok... Sleeper Service   | 08/06/08
Worse Than A Fiat X1/9! Cardhu   | 08/07/08
It's "Cardhu." Cardhu   | 08/07/08
LOL at Firefox CreepinJesus   | 08/05/08
LOL at You n0neXn0ne   | 08/05/08
Sorry, Don't Have Time For This Crap itanalyst2@...   | 08/05/08
Then good night...nt socialism=nowhere   | 08/05/08
What about? Salonikios   | 08/05/08
Love is relative. jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
So FireFox staff needed more time on the Microsoft campus ... Anton Philidor   | 08/05/08
re: So FireFox staff needed more time on the Microsoft campus ... n0neXn0ne   | 08/05/08
zzzzzzzzzzz nt socialism=nowhere   | 08/05/08
Tinkering is a foregone conclusion jperlow  ZDNet | 08/05/08
Which, of course, aren't necessary wolf_z   | 08/05/08
Turning off some services is a good idea. Anton Philidor   | 08/05/08
Turning Off UAC == True Amateur PMC-CON   | 08/05/08
Or better yet, rtk   | 08/05/08