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Can the RIAA Sue for Attempted Copyright Infringement?

posted by DrewWilson in file sharing // 309 days 14 hours 41 minutes ago

The Atlantic vs Howell has just taken on a new twist. While the case brought everyone the now-famous claim that 'CD ripping is illegal', now the RIAA is saying that people can be liable for attempted copyright infringement. The EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation) has announced that they are stepping in on the matter.



The Atlantic v. Howell case is fast becoming one of the most watched cases in the file-sharing world - if it hasn't already. In court documents, the RIAA said:

Once Defendant converted Plaintiffs’ recording into the compressed .mp3 format and they are in his shared folder, they are no longer the authorized copies distributed by Plaintiffs.


Many have interpreted this as saying that this would cause (should this case be won) the act of ripping a CD illegal. One source got a response from an RIAA spokesperson, saying that this was not the case, but many including the EFF are not buying it. The EFF took the following quote:

It’s OK to copy music onto an analog cassette (not for commercial purposes), it’s OK to copy music onto special audio CD-Rs, minidisks and digital tapes (but again not for commercial purposes). Beyond that there’s no legal “right” to copy the copyrighted music on a CD onto a CD-R, but burning a copy onto a CD-R or transferring a copy onto a computer hard drive or portable music player won’t usually raise concerns so long as the copy is made from an authorized original CD that you legitimately own and the copy is just for your personal use.


...and interpreted it as this:

we think that making copies for personal use is illegal, we just haven’t sued anyone for it yet.


While debate rages on over whether the RIAA really says that the act of ripping a CD is illegal or if it was a misconception through one form or another, the latest to come from the case is whether even attempting copyright infringement can bring liablility charges/damages.

The EFF described the RIAAs argument with the following:

As in more than 20,000 other lawsuits, the recording industry claims that Mr. and Mrs. Howell committed copyright infringement by using P2P file sharing software (in this case, Kazaa). But rather than going to the trouble of proving that the Howells made any infringing copies (by ripping CDs or downloading songs) or any infringing distributions (by uploading to other Kazaa users), the record labels argue that simply having a song in a shared folder, even if no one ever downloaded it from you (i.e., "making available"), infringes the distribution right. This essentially amounts to suing someone for attempted distribution, something the Copyright Act has never recognized


Last year, the Department of Justice tried putting in a bill which would hold people liable for even attempting to "infringe copyrights", but the attempt failed.

The EFF sites related cases which failed. The two they cite were the RIAA vs. Napster case and the Google vs. Perfect 10 case (PDF)

It seems that precedent is on the EFFs side, but the fear is that if the RIAA wins this case, a very bad precedent would be set for future lawsuits within the United States.

  • #1    i think RIAA needs a brain transplant... i mean u can't sue every one....
    posted by robincheema 309 days 8 hours 31 minutes ago
  • #2    For those interested, Ray Beckerman has a take on this story:

    http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2008/01/jeffrey-howell-is-not-alone-electronic.html
    posted by DrewWilson 309 days 6 hours 33 minutes ago
  • #3    Shows much you can buy in America. Laws for sale to the highest bidder.

    Don't back off people, the RIAA is just thrashing about like crazy while it dies off. Keep up the fight and they will die off once and for all.
    posted by Spurge 309 days 2 hours 29 minutes ago
  • #4    you know what riaa why dont you just eat your losses and we also know you are about to go out of business because the lables just pulled your funding.

    so all that you will be is another ieee like company that certifies the electronics standards for audio stuff.
    posted by ejonesss 309 days 23 minutes ago
  • #5    With the Major labels starting to dump the RIAA, could the Bulk of the Artists and bars and Nightclubs, and Radio stations be far Behind ? The RIAA Screwed over Local FM Radio Stations from using Local Playlists and forced Clubs to play the Crap the RIAA Pushed and Created National Chain Radio Stations Like " Clearchannel". That was Their first Mistake, Secondly not Buying into Todays Technology , People Created Their own Programming so to Speak !

    We buy and Listen to what We want, Not what Payola wants us to Listen to .
    posted by mach -1 308 days 16 hours 17 minutes ago
  • #6    Who's the guys in the pic? Looks upset over something.
    posted by Spurge 308 days 12 hours 56 minutes ago
  • #7    some white rapper... i think emenem...
    posted by robincheema 308 days 10 hours 46 minutes ago
  • #8    haha, i added that to get everyones attention! looks like it worked!
    posted by Jorge 308 days 10 hours 18 minutes ago
  • #9    oh yeah.. wow.. totally forgot about emememenem or whatever.. Shit.. it is too. lol
    posted by Spurge 308 days 10 hours 9 minutes ago
  • #10    So I guess everyone with an mp3 player is a law-breaker because they ripped the music from a CD to place on the ipod. Not sure how they go about suing everyone but they can try...
    posted by manakazero 308 days 9 hours 18 minutes ago
  • #11    money=lawsuit
    posted by Jorge 308 days 6 hours 27 minutes ago
  • #12    It is time a judge stopped this nonsense. I hope they lose and lose BIG on this point.
    posted by meyou123 308 days 2 hours 25 minutes ago

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