<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:blogger='http://schemas.google.com/blogger/2008' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd="http://schemas.google.com/g/2005" xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6258700226954243487</id><updated>2024-08-28T07:30:24.723-07:00</updated><category term="Lazarus"/><category term="Lutheran confessions kfuo wilken"/><category term="radical grace islam root"/><title type='text'>A Cloud of Witnesses</title><subtitle type='html'>A blog about the Lord Jesus Christ, &#xa;the Church which is his bride, and the &#xa;radical nature of the grace in which we &#xa;now stand before the Father.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Matthew</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/09323238670840371258</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6258700226954243487.post-6875778004342399996</id><published>2010-09-28T13:54:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-09-29T05:06:29.294-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lazarus"/><title type='text'>Jesus Tells a Hard Story</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;“There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;sup&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family: Verdana; color: black; &quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-converted-space&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;and longing to eat what fell from the rich man&#39;s table.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So opens the story Jesus tells in Luke 16, which I recently preached on.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Lots of preachers from various traditions don’t find it to be such a difficult parable to interpret. (I’m aware of the minority view which holds it isn’t actually a parable at all—more about that view in a bit.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;At the same time, I think conservative Lutheran preachers approach this text with a fair amount of trepidation, worrying they’ll either have to soften what Jesus says so he doesn’t really mean what the story implies, or they’ll have to preach a message which can’t be squared with the rest of the New Testament message.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Why is this parable such a problem?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;(Let’s assume for the time being it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;is&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; a parable.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;How is it a problem text, and how can we deal with it responsibly?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;You probably know it well enough, but the synopsis of the story is this:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Two men, a nameless rich guy and a beggar named Lazarus, have their life stories intersect twice—once in this life, and again in the afterlife.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;In this world the rich man has an abundance of wealth, so that day after day he lives the good life, while in contrast, Lazarus has a truly wretched and miserable life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Dressed in rags, starving, with open sores all over his body, Lazarus spends his days lying at the rich man’s gate, hoping for just crumbs and scraps from the rich man’s table.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Then they both die.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And after his time is over, the formerly-Rich Man looks up from torment in hell and sees ol’ Lazarus now enjoying the good life at Abraham’s side.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;When he asks Abraham to send Lazarus on a mission of mercy with a little water to cool his tongue, Abraham tells him why it isn’t possible.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;When he follows up with a request to have Lazarus rise from the dead and go back to earth to warn his brothers, Abraham tells him they can listen to Moses and the prophets, and if they won’t listen to them, neither will they be convinced if one rises from the dead.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;At least the plot is pretty easy to follow.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Now what did Jesus mean by it?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And how does this story raise issues?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;A good place to begin is how this text is usually preached, which is moralistically.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The rich man is so well off he could easily use the wealth he’s been blessed with to make an impact in the life of Lazarus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The mere fact that life never improves for Lazarus, that Lazarus dies in poverty, reveals the hard-heartedness of the rich man.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Having no mercy on the poor or suffering, it is no wonder when he’s judged he is judged without mercy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;This passage then gets used as a basis for sermons about social justice, compassion on the poor, the way money and luxury corrupt the soul, and the necessity of using earthly resources to help others.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;All of which are worthwhile things to teach on.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;All of which are conclusions one could draw from other Scriptures. On another blog I’ve written about how concern for social justice should be one dimension of our proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But if I interpret the story this way, I simply make it little morality tale, like a Christian fable or a Just So story:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;“Here’s what happens to rich people when they aren’t willing to share.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Or, if you prefer to dress it in more pious language:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;“Here’s what judgment awaits those whose religion doesn’t prove itself genuine through acts of mercy.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So if I’m a theologically liberal or moderate preacher in a theologically liberal or moderate mainline church, I don’t find it hard to preach on this text. It simply becomes a convenient pretext for talking about social issues.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;There’s no issue if I believe (as some do) that when God judges a world divided between Haves and Have-nots, He’ll condemn the Haves, or at least condemn the Haves who lacked compassion.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;There.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Easy.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But what if it’s not obvious how this conclusion squares with the rest of the New Testament?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Also, what if this terrible confusion of Law and Gospel (because that’s what it is), causes souls who are already troubled enough as it is to now wonder if they’re going to hell?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;What if I’m that troubled soul, reading these words of Jesus and worried whether they portend bad things for me? How do I know when I’ve been compassionate enough?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;As long as there’s anyone poorer than I am, how do I know if I haven’t held on to too much wealth?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Responsible preachers ought to think about where people’s imaginations are going to run with that. But the biggest issue is finding a morality lesson where Jesus’ story really doesn’t have one.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Consider what Abraham &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;actually says&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; to the rich man when the first request is made:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;“Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Of course Abraham also adds the part about a chasm in the way, but the main answer is that both of them are getting the opposite what they’d experienced before death.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Abraham doesn’t say anything about compassion or mercy, or sharing or social justice, and he never says the rich man would have escaped destruction and torment if he’d only been more generous in his previous life—all that is just stuff people read into the story, because otherwise Jesus makes no sense to us.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;After all, on the surface it simply sounds like he’s saying it’s only fair if Lazarus gets good things &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;now&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;, since he had to suffer so much &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;before&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And it’s also fair that now the formerly rich man should be getting bad things; he got his good things in his earthly life, and it would be unfair if he got more good things in his afterlife on top of it.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;You can have your good things now—your comforts and pleasures and partying—or you can get the nasty bits out of the way first (like Lazarus), and save your good things for the afterlife.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;That’s certainly the plain-sense meaning of what it &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;says&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But can any one imagine this is what Jesus &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;means&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;If he did mean it that way, could anyone believe it or think it was a good thing? &lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So you see, as soon as you take the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;actual words of the text&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; seriously, you’ve got issues! If you approach it as a morality story, you still have issues, because you put it firmly into people’s heads that generosity and deeds are what count in the end, and therefore all that stuff about grace is mostly a fiction.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Getting back to whether it’s actually a parable or not, most people who say it isn’t a parable only make things worse.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;They dispute it being a parable because:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;1. Neither Jesus nor Luke say it’s a parable, and 2. Abraham appears in it, and he was a real, historical person, and 3. the beggar is named Lazarus, and characters in parables aren’t given names.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;These three points are taken to prove that Jesus is relaying something that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;actually happened&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;In other words, according to this view Lazarus was a real person, the rich man was a real person, the rich man really went to hell when he died, Lazarus really went to heaven, and the dialog between the rich man and Abraham really took place.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So taking this to be historical narrative (albeit a narrative Jesus only knows because he’s omniscient), they use the story to intentionally terrify people with literal fires of hell.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But all the same issues still remain; they’re only made worse because now it doesn’t involve fictional characters, but supposedly real people!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;It makes the literal implications for us who live in the materially prosperous West so much worse when we consider all the Third-world Lazarus-figures lying at our gates! Parable or narrative, the issues don’t go away, although it’s easier to ignore Jesus’ words so long as he’s just telling a made-up story.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;I don’t apologize for having issues with this.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;As much as I believe the social implications of the Gospel are important, such interpretations undercut the message of the cross.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Of course I haven’t said much so far about the request to send Lazarus back to the brothers.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The climax of the story is in the final words of Abraham:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;“If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if one rises from the dead.” This is clearly a forward reference to Jesus’ own rising from the dead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Had the unbelieving Jews listened to Moses and the prophets, they might have repented at the rising of Jesus from the dead, but as they refused to hear the witness of Moses and the prophets, the message of the Gospel and the empty tomb was scorned by them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Here at least we have an angle for working in the need to believe in Christ, right?&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Sure. And a good Lutheran preacher will run to that climactic point and embrace it. And he’ll be right, because in those final words we are pointed away from basing our chances of getting into heaven on our own goodness. The reference to Moses and the prophets call to mind when Jesus lectured the disciples on the road to Emmaus about how Moses and prophets testified that the Christ would have to suffer and die, and rise again on the third day. In the story, Abraham implies the only way the brothers will avoid destruction in hell is if they listen to Moses and the prophets, and a Christian interpretation takes that to mean believe on God’s Christ. By further implication, the rich man would have not have found himself on the wrong side of the chasm if he’d only listened to Moses and the prophets.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So that takes the story, from the Christian preacher’s point of view, in a more helpful direction.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Unfortunately, it doesn’t cause the earlier issues to go away.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Even if now a faith component is added, the words of Abraham still amount to, “Lazarus never got a break before, so he’s comforted, but you had your good things, so now you’re in agony. You’re out, and he’s in.”&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So how should we understand this? I’m going to suggest we interpret this very differently than it normally is interpreted, and it may be such a radical reinterpretation as to be unsettling to both liberals and orthodox alike. I hope so, anyway.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;First things first; for now I’ll take this to be a parable, even though Jesus doesn’t say it is.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Honestly, before I’m done I’ll offer something else it may be besides a parable, but for now that’ll work.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Secondly, I’ll agree up front the words about listening to Moses and the prophets are key to understanding what Jesus means, and how it applies to hearers today. This is not a motivational story to get us to be more generous.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;This is not a thinly veiled threat that the rich will have to make up for any excesses in the hereafter. Jesus’ story is consistent with the Gospel, both as Jesus preached it, and as St. Paul preached it, and no history of good works gets around the necessity of hearing Moses and the prophets.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;What’s the main thing that drives this story? Isn’t it the total reversal that takes place between the two characters in the story?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Consider the rich man first.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;He’s not only wealthy, it would be hard to imagine in Jesus’ day how anyone could be wealthier, or more comfortable, or more blessed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;He’s not just dressed in fine clothes, he’s dressed in purple, which represents the most expensive clothing one could have.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;He doesn’t just have more than enough to eat, he feasts at a sumptuous banquet &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;every single day&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;He’s not just rich, he’s super rich.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And don’t even start about his house!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;When it says Lazarus was lying at or in his gate, you can’t think of a little gate in a white picket fence in front of a four-bedroom, two-bath, split-level.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Instead of house, think &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;castle&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; or &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;villa&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;, with a defensive wall going completely around his property, with a gate in the wall for traffic to go back and forth through. Lazarus lies in the gate, not only because he hopes to beg alms from the traffic passing him by, but because the enormous gate in the wall provides shade. No one could live a better life in this life than the rich man.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;In the same way, no one could imagine a more wretched life than the one Lazarus was living.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Without health in his body, or any means of support, he exists every day in crushing poverty.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;He’s in rags and he’s starving.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And he doesn’t have a single thing on his horizon to suggest things will ever get better for him.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;One assumes he survives as long as he does on the occasional table scrap he gets from the rich man’s table.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The rich man’s situation is as good as it can get, and the poor man’s is as bad as it can get.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And then a life-changing event happens to both of them, namely, death, and after each dies, everything is changed. At Abraham’s side, enjoying the pleasant comforts promised for Abraham’s offspring, Lazarus finally experiences relief and acceptance. Likewise, the rich man now experiences for the first time what it feels like to be rejected and miserable and the lowest of the low.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;After death, nothing could be better for Lazarus.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;After death, nothing could get worse for the rich man.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Mark this fact well—this story hinges on a total reversal situations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The rich man, who formerly was “in,” is now completely out, but where he’d always expected he’d be someday—at Abraham’s side—is Lazarus instead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Lazarus is in that position of blessing and honor that the rich man no doubt assumed was his as his birthright. If there was ever a story that illustrated the truth that “the last shall be first, and the first shall be last,” this is it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;It illustrates it even better than the parable of the Workers in The Vineyard, when Jesus originally made the point.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But can we understand this story in a way that doesn’t contradict the Gospel as it is explained in other passages?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;We can.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But to get at what it means, we have to pitch out what &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;doesn’t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; mean and what it’s &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;not&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; talking about.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;It’s not talking about heaven. It’s not talking about hell. It’s not talking about money. It tells us almost nothing about personal salvation. Abraham in this story isn’t the real, historical Abraham. Abraham is only important in this story for what he &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;symbolizes&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;, or more specifically, what being at Abraham’s side symbolizes. Also, as far as this story is concerned, heaven and hell only matter for what they symbolize, that one either finds oneself inheriting the blessings of Abraham, or shut out from them, comforted or being destroyed.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Heaven represents the final vindication, the fulfillment of the ultimate hope, and hell represents retribution and a tragic downfall beyond imagination.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Needless to say, if Abraham appears in this story as a symbol, so also does Lazarus and the rich man.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;These are not historical people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;They aren’t even a general type of person, as if the rich man represented all hard-hearted, wealthy people, and Lazarus represented all the world’s destitute.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Actual money doesn’t figure into this story at all, which is why all the morality lessons about showing mercy to the poor are misplaced.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Just as when Jesus talks about sowing and reaping he’s never &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;really&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; talking about agriculture, and when he’s talking about sheep he’s never &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;really&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; talking about four-footed, fluffy animals, when he uses money to make the plot work, it never is really about money.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So let’s consider what Jesus does mean in the parable, even if later we have to reconsider whether the story is a parable after all.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The Rich Man is unbelieving &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The riches are spiritual riches, blessings beyond compare.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Lazarus lying at his gate is the entire Gentile world—the spiritually impoverished, starving Gentile world.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; had Moses, and the prophets, and the promises made to Abraham, along with the covenant, the Torah and the temple and the messianic hope.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; was fed in the desert with the manna God sent them daily from heaven, but even more they were fed with words spoken to them by the Living God.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;In contrast, the Gentile cultures around them had either no prophets, or lying prophets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;They worshiped idols.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;They slaved away to carry out meaningless ceremonies and sacrifices.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;They searched for omens and oracles.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;If they were like Druids, after all the dancing and orgies, the high priest would throttle a goat, cut it open and spill it, and then try to read the future in the bloody muck.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Their religions were at the root of their disease. Occasionally the Gentiles got a scrap from the rich man’s table—the prophet Jonah being one example.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Occasionally the Jews demonstrated to the nations around them there is a real God who really hears prayer, and the Syrian general Naaman would be one such person who learned about the true God from the Jews.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;But for the most part, unbelieving &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; was content to keep her spiritual treasures to herself, and also content to keep the starving Lazarus well away from the Big House. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;, the favored nation, the Chosen People, never shared more than table scraps from time to time, while she anticipated what she thought was going to be the consummation of her blessedness. When the end came, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; expected to be at Abraham’s side, in a good place to watch the demise of all the godless nations that had been thorns in their side.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Instead what happened?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;A total reversal of outcomes, precipitated by Jesus Christ.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Unbelieving &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; will not listen to Moses and the prophets.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Neither is unbelieving &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; convinced by one rising from the dead.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;And in the end, &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; goes through a kind of death, in that Titus of Rome destroys their temple, lays siege to their capital city, scatters the people into exile, and puts an end to their national and religious way of life.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;John the Baptist had foretold it way back in the beginning when he announced on the eve of Messiah’s appearing that the ax was already laid at the root.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;What he meant was that God was getting ready to chop down the tree He’d planted, which is to say &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; had a limited time to repent.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; “died.” Not only that, but their covenant with God came to an end. The promises God made to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; were transferred.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;To where?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;To the very Gentiles who became incorporated into the new &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; because they &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;did&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;believe&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; the same Gospel to which Moses and the prophets had testified.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;The Gentiles “died.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Don’t think because it was rough on &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;, the cultural upheaval was easy for them.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;They died to a lot of their own previous culture, but the difference was they received an incredible blessing, purely by God’s grace as a result.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;As &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:city&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;St. Paul&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:city&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; once wrote in Romans, though they were merely wild olive branches, God broke off the natural branches and grafted the wild branches in.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;When you’re a branch that’s been grafted in, where do your nutrients come from?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;From the roots. From Abraham’s roots, planted in Jewish soil, watered with Living Water, the Gentiles gained every spiritual blessing.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;To put it back in the terms of Jesus’ story, all the rich man could do is look up, see where he was and where Lazarus was, and wonder what happened. And historically, this total reversal &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;really did take place.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; Unbelieving &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;st1:country-region&gt;&lt;st1:place&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Israel&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt;&lt;/st1:country-region&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; really is cut off today from the promises once made to Abraham.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;Many Christians who are ethnically non-Jewish are adamant that the God they know and trust is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. We are therefore misled when we try to grasp what this parable means for any particular individual’s salvation, because the story invites us to think corporately, not individually, and about the history as it has unfolded, not about my own personal history.&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;apple-style-span&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana; color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;So maybe when Jesus told the story it wasn’t a parable after all. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot; style=&quot;font-size: large;&quot;&gt;I’d be all for characterizing it as a prophecy.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-family:Verdana;color:black&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/feeds/6875778004342399996/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/6258700226954243487/6875778004342399996' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/6875778004342399996'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/6875778004342399996'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/2010/09/jesus-tells-hard-story.html' title='Jesus Tells a Hard Story'/><author><name>Pastor Gary Held</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10407401667921512167</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6258700226954243487.post-2621921550050589681</id><published>2010-05-02T11:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-02T11:19:17.890-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Law and Gospel Confusion</title><content type='html'>A repost of this, for the listeners today.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width=&quot;480&quot; 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 style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;I’ve heard certain conservative Christians talking about this thing called “The Coming Great Apostasy.”  So where do I sign up?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Definition:  Apostate—One who betrays or abandons his beliefs, principles, or cause.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I include a definition so no one imagines I’m playing shenanigans with what “apostate” means.  I know exactly understand what it means, and if they’re right about a Great Apostasy coming, I want to be sure to be included.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, I’m expecting to be disappointed.  Despite all the Bible preachers who keep warning their flocks to be on their guard lest they apostate themselves, the Big Event isn’t likely to ever happen.  In fact, the whole “Coming Great Apostasy” seems like it’s shaping up to be a big goose egg.  Like so many other presuppositions in the background of American Evangelical culture, this is going to be another one that turns out to be entirely vacuous.  And I’m sad about it because I’m not really satisfied being personally labeled an apostate; I was sort of hoping there was going to be whole herd of us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My co-host, Matthew Pancake, talked with me about this subject recently on our Easter edition of Radical Grace, but let me recap a little for any who may have missed it.  I’ve been trying to figure out why so many folks steeped in this culture are petrified of anything suggesting God isn’t all that interested in their works of piety.  I’ve also been asking myself why so many self-appointed teachers want to discredit teachers who emphasize how Christian living is first, last and always a matter of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;faith.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;  It drives Evangelicals crazy if talk of faith never gets around to adding mention about the importance of obedience, and they never fail to warn people about not letting a “grace message” become an excuse for laxness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is this?  Why do so many sincere believers cast sidewise glances at us, even though we back up what we teach with very clear passages from Scripture?  And why do they rail on and on about how so many sitting in churches today are Christian in name only?  Why are litmus tests put in front of professing believers, and why do folks in Evangelical churches think it’s important to keep track of who passes these tests and who doesn’t?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There’s no one, simple answer, but a factor in their paranoia has to be this conviction that there’s going to be a time right before the Lord’s second advent when most churches and the majority of people who call themselves Christian are actually going to be apostate.  People who believe they are part of the small, but faithful, remnant, are quick to look critically at anyone who accuses them of being nuts, and when you’re sure there’s a Great Apostasy coming, it’s very tempting to suppose anyone opposed to you must be part of it.  And it’s also a handy doctrine for keeping the members of your own group in line.  You not only can have them keeping an eye on each other for signs of compromise, you can train people to keep themselves in line with the accepted doctrines and practices by constantly reminding them how easy it’s going to be for some to be deceived and fall away.  The implicit warning is:  “Don’t let this happen to you!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a matter of fact, though, I think the whole thing is bogus and unscriptural.  I don’t see Jesus or the Apostles teaching anywhere that someday apostasy among Christians will become widespread.  Let’s just look at the principle passages that get cited to prove the Great Apostasy is going to happen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, there’s Matthew 24:3-14.  I suppose it’s sort of the grand-daddy of all the Coming Great Apostasy passages, so let’s look at what it actually says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:arial;&quot;&gt;As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. &quot;Tell us,&quot; they said, &quot;when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?&quot;  Jesus answered: &quot;Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.  All these are the beginning of birth pains.  &quot;Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.  At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.  Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.  (NIV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For context I’ve included more than what’s necessary, but the pertinent sentence is:  “At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.”  To “turn away from the faith” must imply those turning away had earlier been included among the faithful.  This means a good number of Christian folks will become apostate, right?  A transition from Christian faith to unbelief and betrayal fits the definition I included earlier, yes?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, I suppose.  I’d hardly want to be in the position of arguing with Jesus.  But notice, please, how the wording about those who “turn away from the faith.,” raises the question of what “faith” Jesus meant, and then secondly, it projects this condition into the future when it happens “at that time.”  At &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;what&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; time?  Evidently when Jesus’ followers are being persecuted and put to death as they find themselves hated by all nations because of being identified with Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Their discussion takes place in the Jerusalem temple complex, right after his disciples comment about the impressive buildings around them.  Jesus responds by assuring them it will all get torn down; not even a stone is going to be left standing on another.  And because it’s not going to last, Jesus prods his faithful Jewish disciples to see they’ll have to start thinking differently about the basis of their relationship with their God. Their faith can’t hinge on a temple or the goings on in it if the temple itself won’t last.  If Jesus is right—and by this point the disciples are pretty confident he’s &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;always&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; right!—the reign of God they go around announcing has everything to do with living as one of the captives Jesus sets free and one of the brokenhearted he binds up, and nothing to do with continuing in the religious culture they’ve always taken for granted.  The “faith,” then, is not only about getting reoriented to God’s reign as Jesus has revealed it to them, it’s also about seeing a break with the past is inevitable.  So there’s also a choice implied for that generation:  Choose between allegiance to the temple and everything it represents, or allegiance to Jesus and his very different approach to being part of God’s kingdom.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;That&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; is the faith many will turn away from.  In other words, Jesus is aware he has some followers trying to maintain both allegiances, and in the long run it’s not going to work.  Some are interested in what he’s about, but only so long as it doesn’t put them in open conflict with their heritage.  It can be put them on outs with the Pharisees, or even with the Priests.  They’re willing to rally around him like they used to rally around John the Baptist, even though it drives the authorities crazy.  But eventually these followers will desert him when identifying with Jesus means having to completely rethink their cherished identity as God’s Chosen People and their assumptions about where this whole “kingdom of God” thing was going.  Or at least that will be one group of deserters.  The other group will consist of those who don’t think following Jesus is worth enduring the endless threats and constant harassment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That this turning away will occur during a season of intense persecution seems pretty clear.  Of course &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;when&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; the persecution will take place isn’t so clear.  It was evidently future with respect to Jesus’ Ascension and Pentecost, but there’ve been numerous persecutions during the Church’s history, and each installment brought significant defections.  Believers in the Coming Great Apostasy automatically assume it signals an event to take place in the very last days before Christ’s Second Coming, but from the context it seems to fit better with a falling away sometime just before or after the destruction of the temple in AD 70.  But maybe it doesn’t have to be nailed down in time to a single fulfillment.  Maybe all the persecutions of all the ages are being telescoped into a single vision of violence leading to turning away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what happens when followers turn away from faith in Jesus and his good news?  What would that defection look like?  I think it would look like folks leaving the Church in droves.  I think it would look like people changing their opinions about Jesus, saying derogatory things about him, and quitting his kingdom.  And especially if signs of persecution were abundant, I think it’d look like people ditching Christianity to save their skins, homes and livelihoods.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now why have I been circling this subject this way?  Just for this reason:  The very thing Jesus did not predict is a wholesale deception and defection to take place someday &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;within his Church,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; so that most of his followers would be only &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;appear&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; to be believers, but in fact would be despicable &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;hypocrites!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;  The desertion he foresees here might lead to an exodus &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;out of&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; the Church, but it takes a fantastic imagination to conclude he means a rotting out of the core &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;within&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; his Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He didn’t predict such a thing!  Not anywhere!  Certainly not in Matthew 24, for his words only make sense if we take them to mean people turning their backs on the Christian faith.  In other words, Christians ceasing to remain Christians, potentially for any number of reasons, but one being to escape getting handed over for execution.  The “turn[ing] away from the faith” Jesus evidently has in mind something that could look like what happened after he delivered the Bread of Life discourse in John, chapter 6:  “From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The phrase “turned back” in John 6 likely means both that they turned back from where they saw Jesus was leading them, and also that they went back to the presuppositions and beliefs they’d held before—they went “back” to their earlier views.  But most of all it means they no longer wanted to be identified with this prophet anymore.  It certainly wasn’t like they were going to work through the “hard saying” he’d laid on them, and cook up unorthodox interpretations to make it easier to live with, or devise compromises to make Jesus’ message more palatable for more people.  No, they just quit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The desertion in John 6 wasn’t linked to persecution, but it’s easy to imagine a similar turning away could happen when identifying with Jesus becomes dangerous.  Ultimately, it still comes down to no longer wanting to be known as one of his followers.  But when we hear warnings about the Coming Great Apostasy, what do the preachers have in mind?  People quitting their churches?  Or don’t they mean something like this:  One day the majority of people in the institutional churches will be Christian in name only, and we who remain faithful will have to be on our guard, lest our also convictions become watered down. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Preachers bring up persecution in passing, as in, “We get ridiculed in the media, and luke-warm apostates hate us for taking a hardline stance, but we know the faithful have to endure persecution if they want to stand firm until the end.  So we’ll hold fast to God’s Word by dismissing any criticism of what we believe and ostracizing people who break ranks with our agreed-upon agenda.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suppose some teachers who cite the Coming Great Apostasy are sincere about protecting their flocks, but I think the majority feel superior when they look beyond their own walls and see where other Christians are.  “Look what they allow!  And they still call themselves Christians!”  It helps when you can add a knowing nod and say, “Of course we were warned many would fall away in the last days.”  The doctrine provides an easy way to gain apparent biblical support for your position over against others.  Self-proclaimed believers who think, look, talk or act different may be &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;apostate!&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point many readers no doubt think &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;I &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;must be apostate for taking this position.  After all, there’s got to be more than just one passage proving many or most are going to fall away from the true faith, especially in the very last days.  And being a member of the outward, institutional Church not only offers no assurance one is really a believer, but might it not actually get in the way of our being faithful to God’s Word?—or so it is commonly taught.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s take another passage and see if we can use it to support the doctrine of the Coming Great Apostasy.  Many teachers who call themselves dispensationalists are sure they can point to Revelation 17:1-9 to bolster their teaching that a great, worldwide apostasy is going to take place &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;within&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; the Church:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:arial;&quot;&gt; 1One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, &quot;Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits on many waters. 2With her the kings of the earth committed adultery and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.&quot;&lt;br /&gt;3Then the angel carried me away in the Spirit into a desert. There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names and had seven heads and ten horns.4The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls. She held a golden cup in her hand, filled with abominable things and the filth of her adulteries. 5This title was written on her forehead:&lt;br /&gt;     MYSTERY&lt;br /&gt;     BABYLON THE GREAT&lt;br /&gt;     THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES&lt;br /&gt;     AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:arial;&quot;&gt;6I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;  When I saw her, I was greatly astonished. 7Then the angel said to me: &quot;Why are you astonished? I will explain to you the mystery of the woman and of the beast she rides, which has the seven heads and ten horns. 8The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come.&lt;br /&gt;9&quot;This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.    (NIV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A complete analysis of this passage is not only unnecessary, it would morph into a study of the entire book and it’s proper interpretation.  For those wanting just such an in-depth commentary and analysis, I can’t do better than recommend Dr. Louis Brighton’s work in the Concordia Commentary series.  (Concordia Publishing House, 1998.)  But for our purposes, it’s enough to look at how this gets used in popular teaching.&lt;br /&gt;Basically, the prostitute riding the scarlet beast with seven heads is said to be the institutional church in general, some future day right before Christ’s Second Coming, and specifically it used to be identified in Protestant circles with the Roman Catholic Church.  Hence the reference to the kings of the earth getting caught up in adulteries with her, and the explanation that the seven heads represent seven hills.  Rome is supposed to be founded on seven hills.  World governmental leaders have not infrequently had to make  concessions to the Roman Pontiff they’d never make to any other religious leader.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At this point there’s confusion among Evangelical interpreters.  Does this passage cryptically refer to the Roman Catholic Church, or does it portend a general kind of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;outwardly Christian&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; future church that &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;one day&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; subverts the true message?  In other words, should we identify Whore Babylon with a particular church in existence today, or see her as a symbol of evil influences coming to corrupt the institutional Church in general?  This would seem to be an important question to get settled, but I’ve got a better question:  How do we know this passage refers to any kind of church anywhere?  Is there any indication in the text the institution symbolized here, if it is supposed to be an institution, is even any kind of religious organization at all?  If it is, why couldn’t it be Judaism?  If it’s not, why couldn’t it prophetically symbolize Marxism?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or fascism?  Or militant vegetarianism?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I’m not trying to identify Whore Babylon, much less explain the text’s meaning.  Instead, it’s enough to point out the passage only refers to the institutional Church when you bring the idea with you to your study.  And you only bring this ready-made identification to your study when you already suspect the institutional Church is up to no good.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it’s not surprising if four centuries ago Reformation Christians brought this suspicion with them to the text and saw in Whore Babylon a representation of Rome.  A hundred years later, Pilgrims on Plymouth Rock might have imagined it referring to the Church of England, in light of how they’d suffered at the hands of the established church in their old homeland.  Any Christian minority group who felt oppressed could easily cast the oppressing majority into the role of Whore Babylon, especially if their oppressors had any kind of cosmopolitan air about them.  After all, “with her the kings of the earth committed adultery.”  If that doesn’t evoke images of a backroom hook-up between religious and secular powers, what does?  People oppressed by an institutional Church could understandably bring that suspicion with them to the text.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course it’s a long stretch from this scenario to the preaching going on in American pulpits today, and an even longer stretch to make the people listening fit that same scenario.  Just try imagining Southern Baptists as an oppressed minority.  Go ahead, try.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And of course it’s not just one church body.  There are dozens of church bodies holding to some form of the doctrine of the Coming Great Apostasy, as well as powerful parachurch organizations, such as Campus Crusade for Christ and James Dobson’s Focus On the Family.  All of which are highly institutionalized, by the way.  Nevertheless, to be a Fundamentalist or an Evangelical today means you take for granted the institutional Church is at most a generation away from prostituting itself to a point where people will be led away from the truth with adulterous intoxications.  (Anything that cuts regular people a break is an adulterous intoxication.)&lt;br /&gt;But is it true?  As common as this view has become, do we have any &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;Scriptural&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; reason to believe the Church is going to rot out from the inside?  Will she prostitute herself?  Another way of asking the question is, are we really justified in bringing this kind of suspicion to the text?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let’s point out that Revelation chapter 17 follows chapters 1 and 2.  In those chapters Christ is presented as standing in the midst of his Church as one standing in the midst of lamps and lampstands.  To each of the seven churches of Asia he dictates a message, praising all except the Laodiceans for some aspect of their faithfulness, and chastising all except the Church at Smyrna and the Philadelphians for faults he counts against them.  When he dictates a warning, he makes it clear he will come among them and &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;take action himself&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; if they refuse to address the issue.  In some cases he says he will judge the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;individuals&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; in the church who have given the offense (Thyatira and Pergamum) and in other cases (Ephesus) he apparently warns the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;whole church&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; he is prepared to bring it to an end (remove their “lampstand,” as he puts it).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does this sound like a Christ who stands idly by while his Church turns itself into a Harlot riding a Beast?  Isn’t he revealed to be very much in touch with what’s happening in the churches over which he is Lord?  How can we suppose he would let the visible Church continue in an apostate condition?  If one or more of the churches went bad, isn’t the real Scriptural warning that Christ will remove the lampstand that’s causing offense?  He was ready to vomit out the Laodicean congregation for being lukewarm, which was a real congregation having real problems.  Jesus doesn’t sound tolerant toward them in Revelation, chapter 3.  Why should we expect he’d be tolerant of either luke-warmness or outright heresy taking root in his Church today? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moreover, without very specific Scriptural support, it’s hard to fathom how people would stay in congregations and continue to call themselves Christ’s followers, and yet actually have turned away from him.  It’s not that it’s impossible for lots of folks to falsely claim to still believe in him, it’s that without a good Scriptural reason, you have to ask &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;why you’d expect it to happen.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do people expect a Great Apostasy within the Church has to happen?  Especially since during previous persecutions, even when many fell away from the faith, it never looked like the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;majority&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; of people gave up their faith?  And when they &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;did&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; give up their faith, they didn’t choose to &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;pretend&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; to be Christians so they could stay in their congregations and propagate some kind of false Jesus-religion that only appeared to honor Christ while actually ignoring him.  In fact, the Coming Great Apostasy sounds less and less credible the more you think about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But wait!  The truly fearful….er….I mean, faithful, can still cite other passages.  Consider Paul’s first letter to Timothy.  In chapter 4 the apostle writes:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:arial;&quot;&gt; 1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.   (NIV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we’re getting somewhere!  What better proof text for an impending apostasy could one ask for?  Paul not only predicts people will abandon the faith, he makes it clear they will be lured away by “deceiving spirits.”  And the doctrines that will be taught?  They will be straight out of the pit of hell!  The human perpetrators of this destructive, false teaching will all be hypocritical liars, while the inspiration for their lies will be demonic.  Here, finally, we have strong support for The Coming Great Apostasy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, wait.  The thought in the passage gets continued in the next verse:  “3They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.” &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Huh.  The “Spirit clearly says” that the hypocritical liars being discussed in this passage are teachers who forbid people to marry and demand abstinence from certain foods.  But this doesn’t sound like the apostasy we keep hearing about.  In fact, based on this verse, the Reformers sound like they might have been onto something; isn’t it the Roman Catholic Church that forbids priests from marrying?  And don’t they have special rules about which days people can eat meat?  Perhaps it’s the Roman Church after all that’s being foretold.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As matter of fact, neither Paul nor the Spirit is likely to mean any such thing.  The best explanation for this peculiar mix of false teachings is probably to be found by studying Paul’s letter to the Colossians and taking note of the errors he tries to correct there.  The Colossian heresy is much discussed among New Testament scholars because it seems to have been unique.  It had elements of the Judaizing heresy, combined with something like a proto-Gnosticism.  For instance, Paul addresses circumcision, unhealthy interests in angels, handling criticism about eating, drinking and festival observances, and regulations about harsh treatment of the body, as well as including a special section on how husbands and wives should treat each other, which could indicate errors being held by the Colossians about marriage.  The Judaizing dimension of this heresy certainly had to extend to abstaining from unclean foods, while the proto-Gnosticism could have made people believe it was holier to forego marriage due to its physicality that Gnosticism saw as inherently evil.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or that identification could be wrong.  But the point is, no sensible interpretation of 1 Timothy 4 would look forward to a future fulfillment where the majority of Christians get deluded by demons.  Bible prophecies about people falling away have been fulfilled over and over again, but The Coming Great Apostasy, as it’s commonly taught, looks like something made up to scare Christians. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So now we’ve looked at three critical passages frequently used to support this doctrine, and none of them teach a Great Apostasy is going to lead most believers astray, unless you bring that idea to each text.  Even taking them all together, it’s a piece of fiction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So where did this expectation come from?  Have Christians always lived in anxiety about a large-scale apostasy brewing in the Church?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the real explanation of where this fear-mongering doctrine came from when it exploded on the American scene, we have to bring up two names:  John Nelson Darby (1800-1882), and Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although the churches resulting from these two have nothing to do with each other, both men were intent on restoring the True Church to a pristine condition by breaking from all institutional churches.  Both felt they were leading a movement to gather and organize a faithful remnant in the Last Days before the Second Coming.  And both believed it was impossible for anyone to remain part of the established, institutional Church without being apostate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Darby started what would become known as the Plymouth Brethren, and more importantly, his influence led directly to the creation of the Scofield Reference Bible and the pop-theology of Hal Lindsey’s &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;The Late Great Planet Earth.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;  Russel’s legacy was the formation of a group called Zion’s Watchtower and Tract Society, which continues today under the name Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower Tract Society.  Between these two men, millions have become convinced the visible, institutional Church, either Protestant or Catholic, is headed toward a falling away.  It is at the feet of these two men, and especially Darby, that we should lay the responsibility for this common belief, so that now any time conventional Evangelical teaching or piety is questioned folks get paranoid.  If the challenge comes from &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;outside&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; Christian circles, it’s another instance of the righteous being persecuted by the world, but when the questions come from folks on the &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;inside&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;, such breaking-of-ranks gets quashed by saying it portends a falling away.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, this teaching’s main effect is to be a tool for controlling believers.  When most Evangelicals are sure a Great Apostasy is coming, it prevents them from asking critical questions about what they’re hearing from their pulpits.  Or what their church it telling them they should do.  Or what it says they &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;can’t&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; do.  When they fear doctrines of demons are going to lure believers away from truth and personal holiness, it becomes part of that climate of fear that sees in groups who deviate from accepted practice a sign of the encroaching danger.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is no exaggeration.  The specter of apostasy gets raised regularly whenever leaders grow anxious their traditional teachings and practices are threatened.  It doesn’t even have to touch on anything religious.  I’ve heard concerns about global warming characterized as merely a New-Age deception for Christians to be on guard against.  Body piercing in anything but ladies’ earlobes raises alarms, and is taken as a sign of worldly compromise.   Practicing Yoga, according to some, will lead the faithful into apostasy.  And don’t even raise the possibility that one day we’ll discover intelligent life on another planet!  Just considering it opens the door to being lead away from the truth!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or take my own case, for example.  I teach about the total sufficiency of God’s grace, and lay out again and again from Scripture how the new life in Christ is a life of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;.  I speak and write constantly about Jesus Christ, and I do believe a personal relationship with him is essential.  I also believe that relationship changes how we live.  But I never divide the “real Christians” from the “Christians-in-name-only,” or the “serious disciples” from the great, unwashed herd of “carnal Christians.”  I never suggest getting one’s spiritual act together is the way to get more blessings from God.  I disregard all the conventional Evangelical nonsense that it’s morally wrong to smoke, or to drink, or go to R-rated movies, or vote anything but straight-ticket Republican.  I want believers to wrestle with Scripture and conscience and honest questions raised by science.  But most of all, I want believers to stop trying to add anything &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;they’ve&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; done to what Christ has already done for them.  I want people to understand that growing in Christ doesn’t happen when they work harder to keep sets of rules, but when they follow the Spirit’s leading to grasp more firmly their Savior’s love and trust recklessly in his control over their lives.  Consequently, most of the piety found in conservative American churches seems pointless to me, and a good deal of the Evangelical worldview strikes me as superstitious nonsense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Teachers who feel threatened by this try to prevent its spread by calling it apostate.  So while believing in Christ is good, I can still be apostate for emphasizing grace in a way that’s too radical.  I’m onboard with the kingdom Jesus invites us to be part of, but criticized for not being onboard with a lot of what is commonly taught, including the popular End-Times scenarios.  And I don’t see any big, burning need to get people more purpose-driven.  I believe the kingdom of God is coming along just fine, but not because churches—whether they’re institutional or house churches—are doing such great things.  The kingdom of God unfolds and expands because Jesus is Lord and his words and life continue to drive history toward God’s purposes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The funny thing is, I used to buy into the Coming Great Apostasy.  Of course this was before I’d examined it to see if it was true, but from time to time it would worry me.  Were my growing convictions about God’s grace a sign I was drifting away?  I gave up Evangelical assumptions about what “running the race” was supposed to look like, and found it a much more authentic way to live when personal holiness is a non-issue.  Did it mean I was becoming unfaithful?  I didn’t want to let the recognized “leaders” do my thinking for me anymore.  Should I worry I was being deceived?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don’t worry these things anymore.  And if the only ones who aren’t worried are the apostates, then I guess I joined them, because I turned my back on the “faith” that said I wasn’t allowed to question what various teachers insist the Bible says.  Instead, I am challenging conventional Evangelical beliefs.  And I want more to join me in challenging, questioning, and wrestling with the issues confronting the entire Church.  We need to engage in an honest discussion, and we can’t do that in a climate of fear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To that end, let’s look at one more oft-quoted passage from 2 Peter 2:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:arial;&quot;&gt; 1But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. (NIV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peter warns his readers that false teachers will be coming to infiltrate the Church, and these deceivers will introduce destructive heresies, including a denial of the sovereignty of the Lord Jesus Christ.  Taken as a general warning, we can figure if Peter foresaw false prophets and teachers stirring up trouble back then, we can expect they’re also among us today doing the same thing.  We know from the text the result of their “shameful ways” is to “bring the way of truth into disrepute.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suggest there’s so much phoniness and insanity rampant in churches today, that the Way of Truth keeps finding itself in disrepute.  The shameful fall of certain celebrity leaders contributed to it, but it’s not limited to that.  Christianity itself needs a transformation to take place within it, but I think too many false prophets and teachers are invested in preventing it from happening.  Furthermore, I think it denies Christ’s sovereignty to suggest an open discussion about the Gospel can lead the Church into apostasy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So now you can see why I think there should be an apostasy, and why I want to sign up.  Only I’m not talking about some fictional thing folks torture the Scriptures to support.  I’m taking about an apostasy that means abandoning our knee-jerk reactions to anything unconventional.  I’m taking about an apostasy that says, “We’re going to discover where Jesus is leading us, and leave behind the fears and false piety that once shackled us.  We want to be confronted afresh with the Gospel.  We choose to turn away from the party platform when that platform keeps us from wrestling with the real issues.  We no longer believe everyone who sounds different than us is only a pretend Christian.”  If Christianity can be compared to a computer, it’s looking more and more like we have to reboot.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt;That’s&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;Apple-style-span&quot;  style=&quot;font-family:&#39;times new roman&#39;;&quot;&gt; an apostasy I’m offering to head up.  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Each tree, bush or plant produces its own kind of fruit, and thornbushes are just as incapable of producing grapes as they are anything else that’s truly good.  Search every thistle, but you’ll never find anything that’ll nourish.  Conversely, bad or harmful fruit is never produced by a good plant. The application to Christian living couldn’t be clearer:  Real Christians are revealed by their fruit; wherever good fruit is lacking, or when scratching the surface exposes sinful habits or attitudes, it begs the question whether the life so examined is really Christian or not.  As I recently read on one popular online Christian site: “A life that&#39;s dedicated to Christ will inevitably produce good fruit, whereas a sinful life will inevitably produce bad fruit.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Take it to heart!  Check your fruit, and remember the Lord followed up his teaching on fruit with the ominous words:  “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nothing could be clearer, right?  Hmmm.  How about, nothing could be more easily misapplied!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While even the word “fruit” needs to be examined and unpacked, it’s enough for now to let it simply mean any kind of good deeds, Christian behaviors, or positively changed lives.  So far, so good.  But pay attention to what we’re supposed to know by the kind of fruit we see:  “By their fruits you will know &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;them&lt;/span&gt;.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excuse me, who’s the “them” Jesus is talking about?  Isn’t that kind of important?  It’s &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;their &lt;/span&gt;fruits which tell us something about &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;them&lt;/span&gt;.  But who does he mean?  And how did so many get the idea we can apply this so as to get a handle on knowing &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;ourselves &lt;/span&gt;by our fruit?  Because that’s just what mixed up Christians are trying to do—discover whether they’re truly born-again or not by examining their own fruit.  But is this a proper application of Jesus’ words?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus was issuing a warning against false prophets and those who would come among them as wolves in sheep’s clothing.  “Them” collectively refers, then, to teachers who would deceive the people to devour them.  If we broaden it a little more, we can say we’re using the fruit test to evaluate anyone who holds out his life and teaching for others to follow before we get sucked in.  Whether or not we should follow a purported prophet, teacher, leader, or moral authority comes down not just to what the person says, but also what kind of &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;behaviors &lt;/span&gt;we observe in his life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is the fruit test important?  It’s not just because Jesus says so, and it’s not just because they might be teaching something incorrectly.  It’s a little simpler than that.  We check out the fruits, whether they’re good or evil, because after we start following a teacher, you can bet eventually he’s going to influence how &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;we &lt;/span&gt;behave, and the more serious we are about being a loyal follower, the more we’ll probably become &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;like him&lt;/span&gt;.  So follow the Pharisees, and you’ll wind up acting like a Pharisee yourself.  Follow a kooky John-the-Baptist figure, and you’re likely to become something of a kook.  Follow a money-hungry, prosperity prophet, and over time he’ll influence you to judge your walk with God on the basis of what kind of car you drive.  Do you want to be like that?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The false prophets can sound good; they may sound very orthodox and pious.  They may be able to quote lots of Bible passages.  The Pharisees certainly did.  They had high regard for the Scripture.  They were serious about the tithe, Sabbath keeping, and all the kosher laws.  They tried never to miss the appointed times for prayer.  They were even zealous about evangelism!  What did Jesus say about them?  “You travel land and sea to win one proselyte.”  Wow, all that effort for just one opportunity to get a convert!  That’s dedication!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, wait a minute—the verse doesn’t end there.  How does Jesus finish that thought? (Matthew 23:15)  “And when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, that’s right.  The zealous Scribes and Pharisees, who were all about keeping the Law, were sons of hell themselves—unless you think Jesus was only kidding.  And when they converted anyone they got busy making that convert into a son of hell as well, only more so.  You see, whenever they made a convert, they also discipled him so he’d start approaching living for God the same way &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;they did&lt;/span&gt;, and in that way they made their new convert a “son of hell.”  How?  Was it because they taught from the Scriptures incorrectly?  Or because they didn’t set a zealous enough example?  Were they liturgically improper?  Or not mission-minded enough?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None of those reasons.  They were so sure they were right, so certain they had God on their side, and so uncaring about what they put other people through, that they went ahead with their plans to get the Son of God crucified!  Their complicity in Jesus’ crucifixion was their ultimate fruit, their ultimate legacy.  But I think Jesus’ warning in Matthew 7 was intended to say any observant person could already tell by their fruits how following their example would lead one to be just as bad as them: judgmental, legalistic, inflexible and lacking compassion, doing things mainly for the applause of men.  Jesus implies, “Their fruits should tip you off there’s probably a good reason you don’t want to follow them.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now none of this applies to the question, “Am I saved?  Am I born again?”  Checking out your own fruit will never give you an accurate picture of whether you’re right with the Lord or not.  Good, moral, pious behaviors can’t be relied on to prove your conversion is real.  Evil, immoral, messed up behaviors aren’t the fruit proving you’re a hypocrite.  “By their fruits you will know &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;them&lt;/span&gt;.”  It doesn’t say know &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;yourself&lt;/span&gt;, whether you’re the real deal or not.  It doesn’t say your faith is only pretend if you still fall into sin.  You may have to question your own faith if you don’t care whether you sin or not, but no one should misapply this passage to say, “What I think about my fruit matters more than what God tells me to believe in His Word.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So how do we know whether we &lt;span style=&quot;font-style:italic;&quot;&gt;are &lt;/span&gt;Christians?  How do we know whether we’re saved?  Go to God’s Word.  What does His Word say about Jesus’ ability to save even the worst of sinners?  And do you believe it?  Do you believe he is the Son of God?  Do you believe Jesus’ death on the cross accomplished the reconciliation between God and man?  Do you believe his rising from the dead means he can also save you from the power of death?  Do you so trust him that you’re willing to rely entirely on his fruit and not your own?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;“Yes” answers mean you’re saved.  Really saved.  At least they do if God’s Word is true.  If you call Jesus Lord because you know he really is Lord, and not just because it seems like the fashionable thing to do, then you’re no hypocrite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what about the fruit?  Shouldn’t we examine ourselves?  Doesn’t it matter what kind of people we are?  Yes, we should, and yes it does.  And when we find bad fruit—bad behaviors, unkind words or thoughts, selfish pride and ambitions, or any kind of lusts or lies—the thing to do is turn again to the cross and repent.  According to 1 John 1:  “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.  But if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”  In other words, the fruit produced in our lives can show us something about our hearts and what work still is left to be done in us, but our fruit never nullifies what God’s Word says concerning His great salvation:  “Everyone who calls on the name of the  Lord will be saved.”  (Romans 10:13)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What can you learn from fruit?  Quite a bit, actually.  Just not so much about yourself.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/feeds/7129706382070368691/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/6258700226954243487/7129706382070368691' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/7129706382070368691'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/7129706382070368691'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/2010/03/what-you-can-learn-from-fruit.html' title='What You Can Learn From Fruit'/><author><name>Matthew Pancake</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10931605721798785545</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6258700226954243487.post-2402976903053000460</id><published>2008-04-28T19:09:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-28T19:19:49.419-07:00</updated><title type='text'>&quot;Normal&quot; Christian Living vs. Living Continually in a Weird Spiritual Drama</title><content type='html'>A really great article written by Michael Spencer (a.k.a. The Internet Monk) can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.internetmonk.com/articles/W/weird.html&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#39;s an article about how so many Christians today are always demanding new, supernatural signs of God&#39;s power and favor.  Along the way, they not only have problems with living a &quot;normal&quot; Christian life, these deluded believers also begin looking down their noses at those of us for whom encountering God occurs when we hear Him speaking to us in the written Word.  This is a must read.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/feeds/2402976903053000460/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/6258700226954243487/2402976903053000460' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/2402976903053000460'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/2402976903053000460'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/04/normal-christian-living-vs-living.html' title='&quot;Normal&quot; Christian Living vs. Living Continually in a Weird Spiritual Drama'/><author><name>Pastor Gary Held</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10407401667921512167</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6258700226954243487.post-8528980621795420422</id><published>2008-04-27T20:28:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-28T08:01:09.299-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="Lutheran confessions kfuo wilken"/><title type='text'>Confessional Lutheranism Cannot be Silenced</title><content type='html'>I&#39;m surrounded by all sorts of Chicken &lt;span class=&quot;blsp-spelling-error&quot; id=&quot;SPELLING_ERROR_0&quot;&gt;Littles&lt;/span&gt;.  Or is it &lt;span class=&quot;blsp-spelling-error&quot; id=&quot;SPELLING_ERROR_1&quot;&gt;Henny&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;blsp-spelling-error&quot; id=&quot;SPELLING_ERROR_2&quot;&gt;Pennys&lt;/span&gt;?  I&#39;m not sure which--whichever one went off shrieking about the sky falling, and it&#39;s a chicken either way.  Anyway, I&#39;m surrounded by them, or at least they outnumber the sane people in my narrow corner of the &lt;span class=&quot;blsp-spelling-error&quot; id=&quot;SPELLING_ERROR_3&quot;&gt;blogosphere&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I say that because there is &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;controversy &lt;/span&gt;(What!?  No kidding!) in my church body, the Lutheran Church--Missouri Synod, because certain persons with agendas are getting in the way of other folks with their agendas.  And of course we can&#39;t wrestle with what&#39;s going on without a few Lutherans (including some outside the &lt;span class=&quot;blsp-spelling-error&quot; id=&quot;SPELLING_ERROR_4&quot;&gt;LCMS&lt;/span&gt;) casting the whole struggle in terms that sound vaguely apocalyptic:  Sons of Light waging war against the forces of darkness, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Seriously, to read what people have been writing lately, you&#39;d think we Lutherans were strangers to conflict.  You&#39;d think we&#39;d never gone through any feuding or shaking out process before.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  We&#39;ve had our share of conflict, and acrimonious disputes.  We&#39;ve had folks with agendas oust other folks and their agendas, and usually most of us have had the good grace to not publicly accuse either side of cheating.  Somehow Missouri always seemed to pull through, if not always pulling together.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now supposedly the End is near.  The Synod, according to some, is beyond saving, and this because the current elected leadership has allegedly engaged in trying to stamp out confessional Lutheranism of the right-wing variety.  The latest grievance arises over the administration&#39;s decision to discontinue a popular radio broadcast, &quot;Issues, Etc.&quot;  The administration claims the decision was purely of a financial nature, while those hungry to get one of their own back in power claim it was motivated by a desire to silence the voice of Confessional Lutheranism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now without doubt, &quot;Issues, Etc.&quot; was a terrific daily radio show, and many, many thousands, perhaps millions over it&#39;s long run, were blessed by it.  It&#39;s also true that it&#39;s host, Rev. Todd Wilken, had been fairly critical over the inroads made by what is called church-growth marketing, and the show clearly was negative towards Lutheran churches adopting much of anything from American Evangelicalism.  The show was therefore very helpful for showcasing the &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;distinctiveness &lt;/span&gt;of our Lutheran theology and practice, and the voice of Todd Wilken became a recognizable voice for Confessional Lutheranism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With the show&#39;s cancellation, however, some are saying the end of the Missouri Synod is upon us.  It&#39;s time to get out.  It&#39;s time to recognize that Missouri has traveled farther down the slippery slope than anyone knew.  Come out, ye, from among them!  Save confessional Lutheranism from being compromised!  Save it from being silenced!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;blsp-spelling-corrected&quot; id=&quot;SPELLING_ERROR_5&quot;&gt;&lt;/span&gt;Usually at this point there is much wailing and hand-wringing; if Missouri&#39;s light goes out, what church body of any size will be left to testify to the truth?  What will happen to the pure Gospel?  How will Lutheranism survive if one of the last, main conservative/confessional bodies sells out?  Countering the chant to &quot;come out from among them&quot; is the rising chorus of, &quot;We must save Missouri at any cost!&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now I appreciate that the issues rocking the LCMS are serious, but I honestly doubt the sky is falling.  I don&#39;t know of a single LCMS pastor who denies the historicity of Christ&#39;s Virgin birth; or of the Bodily Resurrection; or doubts whether Christ is truly and locally present in the Sacrament of his body and blood; or who teaches that Adam and Eve never literally existed.  I don&#39;t know of a single LCMS pastor who rejects the pastoral epistles as not being genuine.  Or who thinks the exodus through the Red Sea never happened.  I&#39;ve heard rumors of confessional Lutherans coming under attack, and yet I don&#39;t know of single pastor in the LCMS who doesn&#39;t accept every symbol included in the 1580 Book of Concord.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Based on these observations, I conclude there probably remains hope for my church body.  It&#39;s even possible some of Missouri&#39;s finest days might be yet to come.  But even if I am wrong, even if we&#39;re on a slippery slope and picking up speed, the sky still isn&#39;t falling.  It may be the curtain coming down on a Synod which began in 1847, a man-made church structure, but regardless of what people say or write, it was the Lutheran Confessions keeping the Synod alive and relevant, not vice versa.  And the Lutheran Confessions not only antedate the Synod, but they&#39;ll remain long after the LCMS is a memory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, there is something about Confessional Lutheranism that &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;cannot &lt;/span&gt;be silenced; not merely &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;must &lt;/span&gt;not, or &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;should &lt;/span&gt;not, but &lt;span style=&quot;font-style: italic;&quot;&gt;can &lt;/span&gt;not.  And now, of course, I no longer have in mind simply Pastor Wilken, although I doubt much whether he can be silenced either.  What I mean is, take &quot;Issues&quot; off the air, and other radio shows will spring up so the message does not go silent.  The message will find a media outlet, or make one.  If a confessional church body falls apart or gets to a point where it no longer can be regarded as confessional, the Lutheran Confessions will generate a new synod to clearly articulate them.  That&#39;s how powerful ideas work; they don&#39;t merely benefit from institutional support, they give rise to the new institutions in the first place.  So likewise, authentic Lutheranism--that is, Book of Concord Lutheranism, Law and Gospel Lutheranism--is going to continue to find expression, irrespective of anyone&#39;s agendas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Just a closing thought; cannot means absolutely can NOT.  To silence it you&#39;d have to get rid of thousands of faithful pastors.  You&#39;d have to wipe away all the archived shows of &quot;Issues,&quot; and &quot;Radical Grace,&quot; and other shows committed to the same viewpoint, not only from all the servers in the world, but even from everyone&#39;s personal iPods.  You&#39;d have to confiscate every single Book of Concord, and also every copy of Luther&#39;s Small Catechism, because if even one extant copy got overlooked somewhere, it would eventually find a believing reader again, and soon it&#39;ll find expression again.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even if all that were done, the Confessions still couldn&#39;t be silenced forever.  Take away all the Lutheran Confessions and erase them from everyone&#39;s memory, and you&#39;d still have the Bible to contend with.  From the unchained Word of God, everything essential in the Confessions would get generated again.  And the promise we have from Christ is that heaven and earth will pass away before his word passes away.  That part of the &quot;sky,&quot; at least, is divinely guaranteed  never to fall.</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/feeds/8528980621795420422/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/6258700226954243487/8528980621795420422' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/8528980621795420422'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/8528980621795420422'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/04/confessional-lutheranism-cannot-be.html' title='Confessional Lutheranism Cannot be Silenced'/><author><name>Pastor Gary Held</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10407401667921512167</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6258700226954243487.post-274171529798378563</id><published>2008-04-23T23:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-23T23:45:53.357-07:00</updated><category scheme="http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#" term="radical grace islam root"/><title type='text'>They Looked at Him as a Radical</title><content type='html'>&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Say “radical” and then ask Americans to guess what the next word will be.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Odds are, they’ll probably say “Islam.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;“Radical Islam” is a pretty natural pairing in our day; almost as familiar as “global warming,” and easily trouncing “hanging chad.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Or so it seems to me.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Of course what people mean by “radical Islam” is the segment of the religion that combines a wish to impose strict Sharia law on Muslims with a militancy against the West unhesitant to use violence.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sometimes people say the word “extremist” instead, but I oppose using either term.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;“Extremist” implies a &lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;fringe&lt;/i&gt; view, and I don’t know that it really is a fringe.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Consistently carrying out the implications may be “extremist”—characteristic of only a few—but the worldview itself seems straight out of the Koran.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;It’s also not radical.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;I wouldn’t describe any version, sect, or flavor of Islam as being “radical.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Something is only radical when it goes to the root of something else.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Going down to the root—to the fundamental nature—is what the word “radical” actually means.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;To push the analogy, a radical difference is one not merely evidenced by different fruit, leaves, or stem, but one growing from a different source, a different root nature entirely.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;All versions of Islam have the same root, which is the Koran, which is rooted more deeply still in what is common to all man-made religions:&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They all attempt to earn God’s favor with good behavior.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Some, such as Islam, have detailed prescriptions of what to believe and do so as to appease God, while others, like most New-Age religions, let you make up whatever you want so long as your intentions are sincere.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;They may even describe persons coming into their religion as undergoing a “conversion,” or “rebirth,” but always what they mean is a new view of one’s self based on a program of behavior.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;In this way, Mormons are the same as Buddhists, are the same as Unitarians, and the same as Muslims; at the root of all of it is human effort and works.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;None of it is radical.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;It’s too natural to be radical.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Jesus, on the other hand, was looked on as a radical.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;His message was radical and disturbing, striking not only at the root of man-made religions, but even challenging assumptions at the root of Judaism.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Sometimes the impression is given by liberal theologians that only Paul was the radical, that really Jesus (a misunderstood rabbi) never meant to found anything like Christianity.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;A few quotes from Jesus should dispel that myth:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;When [Jesus] heard it, he said, &lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;“Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;verse-numwoc&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;v40009013-1&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;Go and learn what this means, ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice.’ For I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;(Mt 9:12-13)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, &lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;“Son, your sins are forgiven.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;(Mk 2:5)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;And Jesus said to [Zacchaeus], &lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;“Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;verse-numwoc&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;v42019010-1&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;(Lk 19:9)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;“The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;verse-numwoc&quot;&gt;&lt;span id=&quot;v43010011-1&quot;&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;&gt;I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;woc&quot;  style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;(Jn 10:10-11)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot; style=&quot;margin-left: 0.5in;&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;What do we have here in these verses?&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;By his own words, Jesus is bringing forgiveness, salvation, and life to people who are still sinners and not following the prescripted behaviors to appease God.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He’s dealing with them as &lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;people&lt;/i&gt;, and not simply as transgressors.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Coming into their lives with suddenness, often unexpectedly (Zacchaeus), his presence and words soon change how people look at themselves.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Seemingly in spite of themselves, they start to want to be different kinds of people.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Of course there’s also the assessment of the Scribes and Pharisees, which agreed as to the facts, yet found it disagreeable:&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;“This man receives &lt;span class=&quot;search-term-3&quot;&gt;sinners&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span class=&quot;search-term-1&quot;&gt;eats&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class=&quot;search-term-2&quot;&gt;with&lt;/span&gt; them.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(Lk 15:2)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Jesus said the &lt;st1:place st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;&lt;st1:placetype st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;kingdom&lt;/st1:placetype&gt;  of &lt;st1:placename st=&quot;on&quot;&gt;God&lt;/st1:placename&gt;&lt;/st1:place&gt; was like a mustard seed that is planted and becomes the largest of all the garden plants.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(Mt 13:31)&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He said the kingdom is like a net that catches up all kinds of fish, good and bad.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(Mt 13:47)&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He said it was like a party thrown when a lost son returns to his father who was out seeking him.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;(Lk 15)&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;So many different stories he told—a few that would possibly have made sense to his listeners, and a greater number that didn’t.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;But in all the stories, he made it clear that the mystery of the kingdom, and who was in it and who was not, did &lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; go back to the expected root; it never came back to man’s effort or behavior, but always to God’s gracious initiative.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;In other words, Jesus’ message is a radical departure from everyone else’s.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No other teacher, philosopher, prophet, or bard ever announced, “Your own works avail nothing, and neither your sufferings nor sacrifices are enough to appease God.”&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Jesus alone has made the claim, &lt;i style=&quot;&quot;&gt;“I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;No one comes to the Father except through me.”&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;(Jn 14:6)&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;He has become for us who believe, a new source, a better hope, a higher Way, and a different root.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;The grace he reveals corresponds to nothing else in religious history.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt;&lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;p class=&quot;MsoNormal&quot;&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;&lt;o:p&gt; &lt;/o:p&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;  &lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;Radical Islam?&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;Hardly.&lt;span style=&quot;&quot;&gt;  &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;font-size:100%;&quot;&gt;Radical Christianity is authentic Christianity that replaces the futility&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;;font-family:&amp;quot;;font-size:100%;&quot;  &gt; of works with God’s grace rooted in the Cross.&lt;/span&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/feeds/274171529798378563/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment/fullpage/post/6258700226954243487/274171529798378563' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/274171529798378563'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/6258700226954243487/posts/default/274171529798378563'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://acloudofwitnesses.blogspot.com/2008/04/they-looked-at-him-as-radical.html' title='They Looked at Him as a Radical'/><author><name>Pastor Gary Held</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/10407401667921512167</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='https://img1.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>