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The film stars Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman and features the unforgettable song As Time Goes By.

Casablanca opened in November 1942 when Europe had been at war for three years and the USA for one. It was among Hollywood’s first major films to explain to US audiences why the war was worth fighting, and alongside this became a huge box office hit.

It was created by a cast and crew full of emigres and refugees from lands under Nazi control. They produced a movie that has authenticity as well as astonishing emotional power that continues to this day.

With

Ian Christie

Emeritus Professor of Film and Media History at Birkbeck University of London

Pamela Hutchinson

Film historian and critic

Sheldon Hall

Emeritus Fellow at Sheffield Hallam University.

Producers: Simon Tillotson & Sam Peach

Reading List:

Rudy Behlmer, Inside Warner Bros. (1935-1951) (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1986)

Thomas Doherty, Hollywood and Hitler, 1933-1939 (Columbia University Press, 2013)

David Gerstner and Janet Staiger (eds.), Authorship and Film (Routledge, 2003), especially 'The Auteur theory: Michael Curtiz and Casablanca' by Peter Wollen

Aljean Harmetz, The Making of Casablanca: Bogart, Bergman, and World War II (Hyperion, 2002)

Noah Isenberg, We’ll Always Have Casablanca: The Life, Legend, and Afterlife of Hollywood`s Most Beloved Movie (Faber & Faber, 2020)

Colin McArthur, The Casablanca File (Half Brick Images, 1992)

Thomas Schatz, The Genius of the System: Hollywood Filmmaking in the Studio Era (Pantheon Books, 1988)

David Thomson, Warner Bros: The Making of an American Movie Studio (Yale University Press, 2017)

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In between our fuller episodes, in which we share a conversation with someone talking about a poem that is very special to them, we thought we'd start a new occasional offering, between friends...

Expect voices, readings, poems and stories, from our continuing adventures with The Poetry Exchange...

In this first mini-episode between friends, John Prebble reads a poem that has come back to him recently, which really makes him of The Poetry Exchange: 'Introductions' by Moya Cannon.

There will be a new, fuller conversation coming soon, so stay tuned!!

In the meantime, between friends, thank you for listening.

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Introductions

by Moya Cannon

Some of what we love

we stumble upon –

a purse of gold thrown on the road,

a poem, a friend, a great song.

And more

discloses itself to us –

a well among green hazels,

a nut thicket –

when we are worn out searching

for something quite different.

And more

comes to us, carried

as carefully

as a bright cup of water,

as new bread.

'Introductions' by Moya Cannon, from The Parchment Boat, The Gallery Press, 1997

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After Gone Girl became a hit, she decided to turn it into a movie. She wrote the screenplay, teamed up with David Fincher, and the movie was nominated for an Oscar. I asked her to share what she learned from Fincher, why she writes like a method actor, and how she approaches plot, character, and the beginning of a novel.

Here's my awesome conversation with Gillian Flynn. About the host Hey! I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible. Follow me Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-i-write/id1700171470 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DavidPerellChannel Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSboniFAeGA8v9NpoPv X: https://x.com/david_perell

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Tyler and Roman discuss street signs, why classic cars were so much more distinctive than today's SUVs, Waymos, New Jersey jughandles, yellow streetlights, lane-stripe colors, why Houston keeps growing despite its lack of charm, whether any post-war American suburb is actually beautiful, the Chrysler Building's rocky reception, brutalism done right and wrong, Central Park as an urban miracle, what Jane Jacobs got wrong, e-bike lanes, Tokyo's bike-free transit model, the placelessness of global coffee shops, why the iPhone looks boring now, the ugliest country he's visited, his love for Australia's polymer notes, his soft spot for the dollar's "locked in amber" weirdness, underground power lines, how to warn future civilizations about nuclear waste, why highway signs lie to you about speed limits, the principles of a great city flag, the Pocatello redesign saga, his own studio, why 99% Invisible works precisely because it's audio-only, the most unusual habit behind his long productive career, and more.

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This is a fascinating chat with the "oldest living rocker" on the planet, who was there at the heart of it all.

Bill has a number of releases coming up to mark his 90th birthday, including The Best of Bill Wyman, available here, and Bill Wyman's Rhythm Kings, Ultimate Collection, available here.

Our heartfelt thanks to Bill for this conversation, and a very, very happy birthday from all of us at Rosebud!

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Novelist Min Jin Lee (Pachinko) is a beacon of wit and wisdom. She returns to the show this week with American Hagwon, the long-awaited third installment in her Korean diaspora quartet.

We begin with the ten-year process of writing American Hagwon (3:25), the thesis guiding the novel (4:00), and her experiences with education after immigrating from South Korea to Queens, New York (8:53). Then, Lee describes her process conducting thousands of interviews for the book (14:20), her relationship to security (18:18), and the staggering effects of media on young people (21:55).

On the back-half, we talk about her years at Yale (32:58), how her legal training at Georgetown shaped her approach to fiction (44:32), and the risks of artificial intelligence (45:55). To close, Lee unpacks the dreams we defer for our families (1:10:22), her advice to “choose the important over the urgent” (1:20:07), and the premise for her next novel, Marshall Plan (1:26:30).

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The citizens of Paris experienced starvation and fuel shortages during a period of extreme cold.

They resorted to eating horses, cats, dogs, rats and even animals from the city's zoo.

Mrs Sydney Snell was 10 years old during the siege and spoke to the BBC about her memories of that time in 1946.

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Witness History is a short BBC World Service podcast about history that takes you inside big moments from the past through first-hand testimony and archive. Each weekday, in around nine minutes, we revisit one moment that helped shape the world and hear it through the voice of someone who was there. Scientists, artists, campaigners, soldiers, leaders and everyday people tell their true stories.

When you subscribe to Witness History, you’ll be taken inside turning points in world affairs from West Africa’s fight back against Boko Haram in 2015 to the behind-closed-doors talks that led to the US-Cuba “thaw” and the surprise announcement of restored relations. You’ll discover what it was like to experience disasters and how people recovered from them, including the Tabasco floods in Mexico, Portugal's worst train disaster, and the huge clean-up after the Chernobyl nuclear disaster. You’ll explore culture and ideas too: Sweden’s Expedition Robinson, often credited as the first modern reality TV game show; the friendship between The Beatles’ George Harrison and Indian sitarist Ravi Shankar; and the night a tiger attack brought Las Vegas superstars Siegfried and Roy’s show to a sudden end. And if you’re curious about inventions, we’ll tell you how air fryers, BlackBerry, YouTube, Alexa, GPS, superglue, the shopping cart (shopping trolley) and bubble tea were created.

If you’re new to Witness History, the appeal is simple: real voices, one strong true story, and a fresh way to understand today through events from history – all in the time it takes to enjoy a cup of tea or a walk around the block. Join millions of BBC World Service podcast listeners around the globe and enjoy the insight, context and detail Witness History will bring you.

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Renowned for his clockwork routine, strict diet and for barely ever leaving his home town of Konigsberg, Kant was in fact a lively and well-loved lecturer and dinner party host, who had many friends.

Choosing the great philosopher is Professor Lea Ypi, from the London School of Economics, who first read Kant at a turbulent time in her life, during a civil war in Albania, when she felt that Kant could help her steer a path between dogmatism and scepticism.

In studio with Lea Ypi and the presenter Matthew Parris, is Kings College Kant scholar, Dr John Callanan.

The Producer in Bristol is Ellie Richold

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Hey Man tells the story of a unique, challenging and beautiful friendship between Ian and Tommy as they navigate three chapters of their lives, from a care-free summer in London to the ritual and peace a Benedictine monastery.

For his three influences, Andrew chose Amy Bloom's White Houses (2018), Lorrie Moore's Who Will Run the Frog Hospital? (1994), and Marilynne Robinson's Gilead (2004).

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Graeme Richardson, Anglican priest and the Sunday Times poetry critic, with his debut poetry collection, Dirt Rich;

Dr Julie Blake, cofounder and director of Poetry By Heart - the schools and colleges poetry recitation competition, on why learning poetry when young is a gift for life;

Artist Simeon Barclay, shortlisted for this year’s Turner Prize for his spoken word performance, The Ruin, on making art from language; and

Hasti, winner of the Michael Marks Award 2026 for their debut pamphlet, Young, Dumb, and Full of Poems.

Presenter Ian McMillan Producer: Ekene Akalawu

Does the left really need to be more conservative? What is the difference between capital C and lowercase c conservatism? Is the Blue Labour movement the best tool against the MAGA agenda and right wing nationalism?

Maurice Glasman is the founder of the Blue Labour movement, a conservative strand of socialism that champions tradition, community, and civic association. In his view, we’ve come to the end of an era. From Thatcher and Reagan, through Blair and Clinton, we used to live in a period of open borders, globalisation and the rule of capital. Trump and MAGA show that the electorate is fed up with this. But what comes after MAGA? Glasman argues Blue Labour is the politics of the future.

Political theorist, Labour life peer, and a member of the House of Lords, Maurice Glasman founded the Blue Labour movement in 2009. 

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In this Rear Vision we explore the history and ask if the Israel Lobby exist? And if it does what impact it may have had on US politics and US foreign policy in the Middle East.

Watch the video version of this episode on the RNZ website on YouTube or TVNZ+.

Season 2 Episode 5

In this episode:
(03:00) Understanding genes and altruism
(11:08) The rise of AI, its impact on society
(15:08) Is AI a new form of life?
(28:27) The Frightening Possibilities of Genetic Advances
(30:39) The role of religion and our need for belief systems: the impact of 'The God Delusion'
(35:35) The beauty of science and nature
(37:29) Gender, biology, and language
(45:59) Conservation success stories
(46:49) The future of extinct species revival

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What I admire so much about her is how much fun she clearly has with her craft. Her research sent her ghost hunting and up to Alaska to visit Eskimos. She also gets so invested in her stories that she literally hears her characters speaking to her.

How does she do it? How did she manage to write a book a year? That's what this conversation is all about.

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Jeanette Winterson CBE was born in Manchester. She published her first novel, Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit, at twenty-five. Over two decades later she revisited that material in her internationally bestselling memoir Why Be Happy When You Could Be Normal?. Winterson has written thirteen novels for adults and two previous collections of short stories, as well as children's books, non-fiction and screenplays. She is Professor of New Writing at the University of Manchester. She lives in the Cotswolds in a wood and in Spitalfields, London.

Adam Biles is Literary Director at Shakespeare and Company.

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There is nothing more exciting than seeing children captivated by the magic of stories, and for many of us there’s no better children’s storyteller than Rosemary Sutcliff. Rebeka Russell, publisher of Manderley Press, joins us to share her enthusiasm for the author who inspired her love of literature at a young age and reads from her favourite of Sutcliff’s many books, The Armourer’s House.

Our second guest, Sam Leith, author of The Haunted Wood: The History of Childhood Reading, then takes us into the enchanted world of children’s books and we discuss the importance of both childhood reading and reading to children. Sam’s insights into the development of stories, from oral storytelling to myths, legends, folklore and fairytales, are fascinating and explain how the endless retelling of stories lies at the core of children’s books.

The themes that run through such books (adventures, escape from the structure of adult life and facing the dangerous world on your own) resonate throughout Sutcliff’s work. Although she did not learn to read until she was 9, her mother read Celtic and Saxon legends to her, which fed her imagination and inspired her love of folklore and history. As a child Rosemary suffered from chronic juvenile arthritis and as a result was severely disabled. Like other authors with a difficult childhood, her books always feature a character who is different and is often left on the sidelines, and in her signature she incorporated a dolphin as a symbol of freedom. Initially trained as an artist and miniaturist, she had an extraordinary attention to detail which is reflected in her books’ vivid descriptions of both people and places.

From the perfection of her memoir Blue Remembered Hills (available from  Slightly Foxed) to her historical novels about the Roman occupation of Britain, the Dark Ages, and Norman and Tudor times, Sutcliff’s extraordinary imagination lives on in the canon of children’s writing.

This episode’s recommended reads were Carlo Rovelli’s On the Equality of All Things, Frank Cottrell-Boyce’s autobiography A British Childhood and Susan Hill’s series featuring the detective Simon Serailler.

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With

Laura Ashe Professor of English Literature at Worcester College, University of Oxford

Cathy Shrank Professor of Tudor and Renaissance Literature at the University of Sheffield

And

Joanne Paul Honorary Associate Professor in Intellectual History at the University of Sussex

Producer: Martha Owen

Reading list:

Terence Cave (ed.), Thomas More’s ‘Utopia’ in Early Modern Europe: Paratexts and Contexts (Manchester University Press, 2008)

J. H. Hexter, More’s Utopia: The Biography of an Idea (Princeton University Press, 1952)

Richard Marius, Thomas More: A Biography (Harvard University Press, 1999)

Thomas More (ed. Joanne Paul), Utopia (Oxford University Press, 2025)

Thomas More (ed. George M. Logan), Utopia (Cambridge University Press, 2016)

Thomas More (ed. Gerard B. Wegemer and Stephen W. Smith), The Essential Works of Thomas More (Yale University Press, 2020)

Joanne Paul, Thomas More: A Life and Death in Tudor England (Michael Joseph, 2025)

Joanne Paul, Thomas More: Classic Thinkers (Polity, 2016)

Howard P. Segal, Utopias: A Brief History from Ancient Writings to Virtual Communities (Wiley-Blackwell, 2012)

Cathy Shrank and Phil Withington (eds.), The Oxford Handbook of Thomas More's Utopia (Oxford University Press, 2023)

Quentin Skinner, The Foundations of Modern Political Thought, vol. 1: The Renaissance (Cambridge University Press, 1979)

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His death at just 31 ensured he would become one of Ireland’s most iconic figures, forever frozen in time.

This week on What Were We Like, we explore the complicated legacy of Michael Collins.

We also look at the significance of the revival of interest of Collins in recent years and the impact Neil Jordan’s film had on his legacy, despite taking some poetic licence.

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Francine Berman.

And furthermore, we’re coming to know that super brainy AI could be quite capable of killing off our soulful old human species, extinguishing our humanity if we let it. So who is protecting us, you ask? What is the public interest? What’s the oversight in this new technology? Where are the guardrails in cyberspace? These are the questions raised by our guest Francine Berman in an urgent guidebook called Better Tech: Putting People First in Cyberspace.

The post Better Tech appeared first on Open Source with Christopher Lydon.

Born in Alabama in 1929, a fishing accident at the age of 7 left him blind in one eye and he turned his attention to the little things that could be held between finger and thumb. Ed Wilson recorded several hundred species of ants and was the first to discover how they communicated through pheromones.

Nominating him is the Ecologist, and Chair of Natural England, Dr Tony Juniper. The expert is Dr Paula Ehrlich, President and CEO of the EO Wilson Biodiversity Foundation. Paula knew Ed well and joins the discussion from North Carolina.

Presented by Matthew Parris and produced for BBC Studios by Ellie Richold

On the heels of his new book, Blockers: Rebels in the Deep State, the bestselling author of Moneyball and The Big Short returns to the show. We discuss how watching Trump’s 2017 inauguration inspired The Fifth Risk, (4:30), the rise of DOGE (9:30), and Elon Musk’s mass firing of public servants (11:00). Then, Lewis unpacks the country’s growing national debt (26:00), parallels to the 2008 financial crisis (29:30), and the attack on non-partisanship in government (35:00).

On the back half, we walk through his approach to profiling people (39:39), the criticism surrounding Going Infinite and his proximity to Sam Bankman-Fried (44:10) and the controversy behind The Blind Side (53:45). To close, we talk about how he approaches difficult subjects (1:07:20), finding hope in dark times (1:13:30), and writing through grief following the loss of his daughter, Dixie (1:17:00).

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We discuss friendships, grandmothers, and crafting as an anti-capitalist act.

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In 1921 he is sent by De Valera to London to negotiate with the British on what will become the Anglo-Irish Treaty. With his striking good looks and his fierce reputation, London is gripped by "Collins mania".

But on December 6th 1921, when Collins signs the Treaty, he is said to have remarked: “I'm signing my actual death warrant.”

Within months, a brutal civil war breaks out across the country, and just over nine months after signing the Treaty, Collins is killed in an ambush at Béal Na Bláth on 22nd August 1922. His death remains one of the most shocking moments in Irish history resulting in endless speculation and conspiracy theories on what happened on the fateful day.

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Helen Mort's latest book is 'Stepmother', Jason Allen Paisant's memoir is 'The Possibility of Tenderness' , Owen Sheers reads from 'The Green Hollow' as well as sharing new poetry, David Morley explores an earthy 'Neon Line' - and celebrates 'Middenwitch' by Fiona Benson.

Produced by Faith Lawrence

The Disappearers starts with eight men in Jamaica in 1988 meeting in private to rehearse a play. The group are attacked by a violent mob, and for the survivors, recovery is as much emotional as it is physical. Through the lives of the men, the novel explores the realities of queer life in Jamaica during the 1980s and 1990s.

For his three influences, Marlon chose Jessica Hagedorn’s Dogeaters (1990), John Rechy’s The Sexual Outlaw (1977), and Roberto Bolaño’s The Savage Detectives (2007).

Producer: Rachael O’Neill Editor: Gillian Wheelan This was a BBC Audio Scotland production.

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And Naomi also reveals exciting new details about her latest novel, called ‘The Strangers’, which is set to be released in September 2026.

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Amol Rajan is a presenter of the Today programme on BBC Radio 4. He is also the host of University Challenge on BBC One. Before that, Amol was media editor at the BBC and editor at The Independent.

Radical with Amol Rajan is a Today Podcast. It was made by Lewis Vickers with Anna Budd. Digital production was by Gabriel Purcell-Davis. Technical production was by James Piper. The editor is Sam Bonham. The executive producer is Owenna Griffiths.

Social policy analyst Anna Coote believes the market has failed to provide many of life's essentials. Her answer is universal basic services: a system where access to housing, care, education, transport and other necessities are free or genuinely affordable.

She tells Gabriel Gatehouse about a proposal that challenges the assumption that markets are the best way to allocate resources. From housing shortages to childcare costs, Anna explains what universal basic services would mean in practice and whether Britain could ever afford them.

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Episodes of Radical are released every Thursday.

Series Producer: Simon Tulett Producer: Ivana Davidovic Technical Producer: Ben Andrews Senior News Editor: Sam Bonham

With:

Janet Soskice Professor of Philosophical Theology at the University of Cambridge and a Fellow of Jesus College

Martin Palmer Director of the International Consultancy on Religion, Education, and Culture

The Reverend Graham Ward Regius Professor of Divinity at the University of Oxford and a Canon of Christ Church.

Producer: Thomas Morris

Reading list:

Susan Ashbrook Harvey and David G. Hunter (eds.), The Oxford Handbook of Early Christian Studies (Oxford University Press, 2010), especially chapter ‘The Doctrine of God’ Lewis Ayres and Andrew Radde-Gallwitz

Lewis Ayres, Nicaea and Its Legacy: An Approach to Fourth-Century Trinitarian Theology (Oxford University Press, 2006)

John Behre, The Way to Nicaea: Formation of Christian Theology Vol 1 (St Vladimir's Seminary Press, 2001)

Gilles Emery and Matthew Levering (eds.), The Oxford Handbook of the Trinity (Oxford University Press, 2011)

Susan Frank Parsons (ed.), The Cambridge Companion to Feminist Theology (Cambridge University Press, 2002), especially chapter ‘Trinity and Feminism’ by Janet Soskice

George Herbert, The Complete English Poems (Penguin Classics, 2004)

Julian of Norwich, Revelations of Divine Love (Penguin Classics, 1998)

Ben Quash and Michael Ward (eds.), Heresies and How to Avoid Them: Why It Matters What Christians Believe (SPCK, 2007), especially essay on ‘Biblical Trinitarianism’ by Janet Soskice

Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, Hymn of the Universe (HarperPerennial, 1976)

Miroslav Volf, After Our Likeness: The Church as the Image of the Trinity (William B. Eerdmans Publishing Co, 1998)

Graham Ward, Christ and Culture (Wiley-Blackwell, 2005)

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Spanning history, religion, culture, science and philosophy, In Our Time from BBC Radio 4 is essential listening for the intellectually curious. In each episode, host Misha Glenny and expert guests explore the characters, events and discoveries that have shaped our world.

In this really absorbing conversation, Ian describes his childhood in a working class home in Fife, where his parents taught him the value of "thrawn" - resilience and determination against the odds. Ian was a quiet and bookish child, who spent hours at his desk in his tiny bedroom making up stories and imaginary pop groups who would compete each other in an invented top ten. He became a punk, started to be interested in girls, and realised that he didn't want to be an accountant - but instead wanted to defy his family and study English at university. He went to Edinburgh, met his wife, and discovered a world beyond his home town which has captivated and inspired him ever since. Ian also talks to Gyles about his son, Kit, who has a chromosomal defect and is severely disabled. He talks about his writing process and philanthropy. And finally he talks about his new novel, The Heights, which is out now.

Ian's book, The Heights, is available here. It is Ian's first standalone thriller in two decades, and tells the story of the dark underbelly of a luxury apartment block in London. It is highly recommended.

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Stephen Sexton’s first book, If All the World and Love Were Young was the winner of the Forward Prize for Best First Collection in 2019 and the Shine / Strong Award for Best First Collection. He was awarded the E.M. Forster Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Rooney Prize for Irish Literature in 2020. He was the winner of the National Poetry Competition in 2016 and the recipient of an Eric Gregory Award in 2018. Cheryl’s Destinies was published in 2021, and was shortlisted for the Forward Prize for Best Collection.

This week's Southword poem is 'Biophoton' by Andrew Gebhardt, which received third prize in the Gregory O'Donoghue International Poetry Competition and is published in issue 50. You can buy single issues, subscribe, or find out how to submit to Southword here.

Is A.I. a kind of “alien mind”? Are we unleashing a new species on the planet, one that will transform human society so completely that historical analogies to past technologies simply don’t hold? Or is A.I. more normal than that?

Arvind Narayanan is a professor of computer science at Princeton University and the director of the Center for Information Technology Policy. And he’s an author, alongside his colleague Sayash Kapoor, of the extremely influential essay “A.I. as Normal Technology.”

In that essay, and then in a Substack under that name, they lay out their case that A.I. is in fact something we’ve seen before — or at least, it’s close enough to past revolutionary technologies that we have a road map to deal with it. So I wanted to bring Narayanan on the show to hear that perspective.

Mentioned:

“A.I. as Normal Technology” by Arvind Narayanan and Sayash Kapoor

“What Will Be Scarce?” by Alex Imas

Book Recommendations:

“Not the End of the World” by Hannah Ritchie

“Breakneck” by Dan Wang

“Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows

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