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		<title>Comment on Frustrating Conversations – We Don’t Need Web Analytics by john wedderburn</title>
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		<dc:creator>john wedderburn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I've encountered a similar reaction over here in Europe. Web staff tend to be aware of analytics (around 80% had Google Analytics installed in a recent survey of 25 Swedish Universities I conducted) but only 20% or so were actually doing anything with it. 

Google Analytics tends to be the analytics tool of choice, but one of the issues to preventing institutional support are concerns about data privacy - I wonder if the reaction is the same elsewhere?

In my own quest to get Analytics implemented at our University I've focused on using it as a tool for web editors to identify their top pages. By also setting up applications and pdf downloads as specific goals, we've gained powerful data on the value of our website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I&#8217;ve encountered a similar reaction over here in Europe. Web staff tend to be aware of analytics (around 80% had Google Analytics installed in a recent survey of 25 Swedish Universities I conducted) but only 20% or so were actually doing anything with it. </p>
<p>Google Analytics tends to be the analytics tool of choice, but one of the issues to preventing institutional support are concerns about data privacy &#8211; I wonder if the reaction is the same elsewhere?</p>
<p>In my own quest to get Analytics implemented at our University I&#8217;ve focused on using it as a tool for web editors to identify their top pages. By also setting up applications and pdf downloads as specific goals, we&#8217;ve gained powerful data on the value of our website.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Usability at McDonald’s by Myles G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Myles G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work at a McDonald's as a cashier ( say what you want about that. :) ) Here's what we do: We don't have a COD, or customer order display, at our drive-thru. So, we mess up a little more with the order, unfortunately. But, with the sweet tea issue, that's a usability issue with the register. With us, we'll charge you for a large sweet tea ($1), and then "grill" the item. That is, bring up the special order interface, and add the words "NO SUGAR" to it, making it unsweet for all intents and purposes. Just some manager making the POS a little more harder than it really needs to be, I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a McDonald&#8217;s as a cashier ( say what you want about that. <img src='http://www.trendingupward.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ) Here&#8217;s what we do: We don&#8217;t have a COD, or customer order display, at our drive-thru. So, we mess up a little more with the order, unfortunately. But, with the sweet tea issue, that&#8217;s a usability issue with the register. With us, we&#8217;ll charge you for a large sweet tea ($1), and then &#8220;grill&#8221; the item. That is, bring up the special order interface, and add the words &#8220;NO SUGAR&#8221; to it, making it unsweet for all intents and purposes. Just some manager making the POS a little more harder than it really needs to be, I guess.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Usability at McDonald’s by Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have noticed that sometimes the people at my McDonalds who have to make the sweet tea forget to stir the sugar in and so it all settles and sticks to the bottom of the large plastic tub we make it in. So when it's poured into the mettle bucket-dispenser it comes out at unsweetened. They've done this several times in the time I've worked there. That's worker error. Also, many times they just don't pay attention to which bucket they're pouring it into. On top of that they sometimes put two different teas next to one another without marking them and end up handing out the wrong ones.

Most of it is worker error. I had no problem handing out the right teas when I worked there. I believe I only had two complaints in the year we had both the teas while I was still an employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have noticed that sometimes the people at my McDonalds who have to make the sweet tea forget to stir the sugar in and so it all settles and sticks to the bottom of the large plastic tub we make it in. So when it&#8217;s poured into the mettle bucket-dispenser it comes out at unsweetened. They&#8217;ve done this several times in the time I&#8217;ve worked there. That&#8217;s worker error. Also, many times they just don&#8217;t pay attention to which bucket they&#8217;re pouring it into. On top of that they sometimes put two different teas next to one another without marking them and end up handing out the wrong ones.</p>
<p>Most of it is worker error. I had no problem handing out the right teas when I worked there. I believe I only had two complaints in the year we had both the teas while I was still an employee.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Usability at McDonald’s by Karee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 00:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So its not just me.  I have ordered UNSWEET tea almost everyday for the past two weeks (playing Monopoly) and have gotten SWEET tea five times.  I check my receipt... it says UNSWEET.  I sometimes take the time to take a sip before driving off.  Today, looking ratty and disgusting, I had to park, get out of my car and have them correct the order.  Come on!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So its not just me.  I have ordered UNSWEET tea almost everyday for the past two weeks (playing Monopoly) and have gotten SWEET tea five times.  I check my receipt&#8230; it says UNSWEET.  I sometimes take the time to take a sip before driving off.  Today, looking ratty and disgusting, I had to park, get out of my car and have them correct the order.  Come on!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Frustrating Conversations – We Don’t Need Web Analytics by Shelby Thayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelby Thayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jesskry - Thanks for your comment. Keep up the good fight! : )

@Carmella - A great list. I would also add to try to monetize wherever possible. If you can show that the website is *losing* potentially X dollars because of any number of things (let's say the registration process is terrible), that has a great impact as well. Assigning a dollar value to actions people take on the website helps prioritize areas in need of help.

@Brian - Thanks. I think there are a couple of things you can do. 

Before doing anything, I would read Avinash Kaushik's first book, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Web-Analytics-Hour-Avinash-Kaushik/dp/0470130652" rel="nofollow"&gt;Web Analytics an Hour a Day&lt;/a&gt;. That book lays out the basics of web analytics and is very easy for anyone to understand. Avinash just came out with another book, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470529393/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&amp;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&amp;pf_rd_t=201&amp;pf_rd_i=0470130652&amp;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_r=178QDJJGJJJ0RPV9H207" rel="nofollow"&gt;Web Analytics 2.0&lt;/a&gt;. I actually ordered that yesterday and can't wait to read it.  

If you use Google Analytics, a must read book is Brian Clifton's, &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470253126?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=gaexperts-21&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;creativeASIN=0470253126" rel="nofollow"&gt;Advanced Web Metrics with Google Analytics&lt;/a&gt;. Brian's blog, &lt;a href="http://www.advanced-web-metrics.com/blog/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Measuring Success with Google Analytics&lt;/a&gt;, is actually a supplement to the book and gives updates, hacks, tips, etc. Both are invaluable resources if you use Google Analytics.

So, first and foremost, read and learn. This can obviously be done after work, at night, whenever. 

When you say, "what key areas can one review without taking up much time," I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but I'll assume you mean what types of reports can one review without taking up much time. 

There are some basic reports that will give you good insights (landing page bounce rate, keyword referrals, internal site search terms), but it really depends on your site goals. Without website goals, you can stare at your analytics for hours and get nothing actionable out of them because you're not sure where to look. If the data you're looking at doesn't relate to your site goals, then you're just wasting time. It's essential to focus on what is relevant to your specific business and your specific site and forget the rest. Obviously there are adhoc reports you'll run in certain situations, but you get my point. 

As I mentioned to Carmella, it's always powerful (will get people to listen to you and start to give analytics priority!) when you can monetize actions on your website.

I hope that helps and please let me know if I didn't answer your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jesskry &#8211; Thanks for your comment. Keep up the good fight! : )</p>
<p>@Carmella &#8211; A great list. I would also add to try to monetize wherever possible. If you can show that the website is *losing* potentially X dollars because of any number of things (let&#8217;s say the registration process is terrible), that has a great impact as well. Assigning a dollar value to actions people take on the website helps prioritize areas in need of help.</p>
<p>@Brian &#8211; Thanks. I think there are a couple of things you can do. </p>
<p>Before doing anything, I would read Avinash Kaushik&#8217;s first book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Web-Analytics-Hour-Avinash-Kaushik/dp/0470130652" rel="nofollow">Web Analytics an Hour a Day</a>. That book lays out the basics of web analytics and is very easy for anyone to understand. Avinash just came out with another book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470529393/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&#038;pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&#038;pf_rd_t=201&#038;pf_rd_i=0470130652&#038;pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&#038;pf_rd_r=178QDJJGJJJ0RPV9H207" rel="nofollow">Web Analytics 2.0</a>. I actually ordered that yesterday and can&#8217;t wait to read it.  </p>
<p>If you use Google Analytics, a must read book is Brian Clifton&#8217;s, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0470253126?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=gaexperts-21&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1634&#038;creative=6738&#038;creativeASIN=0470253126" rel="nofollow">Advanced Web Metrics with Google Analytics</a>. Brian&#8217;s blog, <a href="http://www.advanced-web-metrics.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">Measuring Success with Google Analytics</a>, is actually a supplement to the book and gives updates, hacks, tips, etc. Both are invaluable resources if you use Google Analytics.</p>
<p>So, first and foremost, read and learn. This can obviously be done after work, at night, whenever. </p>
<p>When you say, &#8220;what key areas can one review without taking up much time,&#8221; I&#8217;m not quite sure what you mean by that, but I&#8217;ll assume you mean what types of reports can one review without taking up much time. </p>
<p>There are some basic reports that will give you good insights (landing page bounce rate, keyword referrals, internal site search terms), but it really depends on your site goals. Without website goals, you can stare at your analytics for hours and get nothing actionable out of them because you&#8217;re not sure where to look. If the data you&#8217;re looking at doesn&#8217;t relate to your site goals, then you&#8217;re just wasting time. It&#8217;s essential to focus on what is relevant to your specific business and your specific site and forget the rest. Obviously there are adhoc reports you&#8217;ll run in certain situations, but you get my point. </p>
<p>As I mentioned to Carmella, it&#8217;s always powerful (will get people to listen to you and start to give analytics priority!) when you can monetize actions on your website.</p>
<p>I hope that helps and please let me know if I didn&#8217;t answer your question.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Makas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, I've encountered the same response in a number of different industries as well.

Though web analytics can't be ignored, the real question is for companies just getting their feet wet and/or believe that they simply don't have the resources needed to take this seriously ... what key areas can one review without taking up much time?

http://marketingtech.typepad.com/marketing-tech/2009/10/how-to-manage-your-web-analytics-in-one-hour-a-month.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I&#8217;ve encountered the same response in a number of different industries as well.</p>
<p>Though web analytics can&#8217;t be ignored, the real question is for companies just getting their feet wet and/or believe that they simply don&#8217;t have the resources needed to take this seriously &#8230; what key areas can one review without taking up much time?</p>
<p><a href="http://marketingtech.typepad.com/marketing-tech/2009/10/how-to-manage-your-web-analytics-in-one-hour-a-month.html" rel="nofollow">http://marketingtech.typepad.com/marketing-tech/2009/10/how-to-manage-your-web-analytics-in-one-hour-a-month.html</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Frustrating Conversations – We Don’t Need Web Analytics by Carmella Manges</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carmella Manges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 15:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelby, I feel your pain. Maybe it's that I arrived in Higher Ed by way of a consultancy and many years in the commercial world, but it still has me aghast that this topic seems to get the short shrift in the Higher Ed Toolbox. As the Director of E-marketing at St. Edward's University, ROI (using web analytics) is  second only to recruiting and fundraising.

Here are my Top Five Reasons why everyone in Higher Ed should be using Web Analytics...

1. Use it to demonstrate success through annual increases in web traffic to build the business case for a bigger budget/staff for e-marketing projects. Sorry, but an outstretched hand alone won't cut it. HE administrators want hard facts and numbers. People are always asking me how we're able to garner budget and resource support. This is how...

2. Use analytics to monitor search terms to see what niche segments emerge. Using visitor behavior stats will illuminate previously hidden segments that your competitors may a) not know about and b) not market to ... giving you a potential audience to mine. 

3. Use analytics to increase the speed with which prospects convert from inquiry to applicant. Wayfinding on a website can be viewed as clickpaths. If your prospects meander to your key destination pages (Inquiry or Application), then it takes them longer to convert. Feed their needs by observing their behavior and adjusting content to accelerate the turnaround. When we did this, our application season began to peak about 30-45 days earlier, giving admission folks more applicants overall ... and more time to consider applications.

4. Web analytics completes the picture on all enrollment management reports (and alumni and fundraising). Being able to reconcile the source of lead and it's behavior through the lifecycle helps to document and prove the investment in an institution's web site.

5. Your future as a Higher Ed marketer depends on it. The new economic reality is that not everyone will get a big bite at the budget apple. And, those that do will need to document, document, document the value of their investment in the university marketing foodchain.

For those of you who are curious, we currently use analytics on all our university web sites, including:

www.stedwards.edu
www.gotostedwards.com (undergraduate recruiting)
www.discoverstedwards.com (adult bachelor's degree recruiting)
www.excelatstedwards.com (grad degree recruiting)

Bottom line, I would encourage everyone in Higher Ed to make the time for web analytics. It's ok to start small and work your way up. As Nike would say, "Just do it!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelby, I feel your pain. Maybe it&#8217;s that I arrived in Higher Ed by way of a consultancy and many years in the commercial world, but it still has me aghast that this topic seems to get the short shrift in the Higher Ed Toolbox. As the Director of E-marketing at St. Edward&#8217;s University, ROI (using web analytics) is  second only to recruiting and fundraising.</p>
<p>Here are my Top Five Reasons why everyone in Higher Ed should be using Web Analytics&#8230;</p>
<p>1. Use it to demonstrate success through annual increases in web traffic to build the business case for a bigger budget/staff for e-marketing projects. Sorry, but an outstretched hand alone won&#8217;t cut it. HE administrators want hard facts and numbers. People are always asking me how we&#8217;re able to garner budget and resource support. This is how&#8230;</p>
<p>2. Use analytics to monitor search terms to see what niche segments emerge. Using visitor behavior stats will illuminate previously hidden segments that your competitors may a) not know about and b) not market to &#8230; giving you a potential audience to mine. </p>
<p>3. Use analytics to increase the speed with which prospects convert from inquiry to applicant. Wayfinding on a website can be viewed as clickpaths. If your prospects meander to your key destination pages (Inquiry or Application), then it takes them longer to convert. Feed their needs by observing their behavior and adjusting content to accelerate the turnaround. When we did this, our application season began to peak about 30-45 days earlier, giving admission folks more applicants overall &#8230; and more time to consider applications.</p>
<p>4. Web analytics completes the picture on all enrollment management reports (and alumni and fundraising). Being able to reconcile the source of lead and it&#8217;s behavior through the lifecycle helps to document and prove the investment in an institution&#8217;s web site.</p>
<p>5. Your future as a Higher Ed marketer depends on it. The new economic reality is that not everyone will get a big bite at the budget apple. And, those that do will need to document, document, document the value of their investment in the university marketing foodchain.</p>
<p>For those of you who are curious, we currently use analytics on all our university web sites, including:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stedwards.edu" rel="nofollow">http://www.stedwards.edu</a><br />
<a href="http://www.gotostedwards.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.gotostedwards.com</a> (undergraduate recruiting)<br />
<a href="http://www.discoverstedwards.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.discoverstedwards.com</a> (adult bachelor&#8217;s degree recruiting)<br />
<a href="http://www.excelatstedwards.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.excelatstedwards.com</a> (grad degree recruiting)</p>
<p>Bottom line, I would encourage everyone in Higher Ed to make the time for web analytics. It&#8217;s ok to start small and work your way up. As Nike would say, &#8220;Just do it!&#8221;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post! Glad to hear the frustrations echoed that I have. 

Also, get tip on the segmentation of new vs returning. 

@jesskry</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post! Glad to hear the frustrations echoed that I have. </p>
<p>Also, get tip on the segmentation of new vs returning. </p>
<p>@jesskry</p>
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		<description>[...] web analytics can save you time and money. Do those in higher education care about whether they are losing money (hard and soft costs!) due [...]</description>
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