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soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:52 +0000

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soup-substitution

MattisManzel:
The feed for the soup of the soup-wiki is now generated by yahoo – pipes soup-wiki – soup.

Here’s how :

Different ways for the original oddmuse recent-changes-feed (http://obmwiki.org/hive/Soup?action=rss) and for the different original oddmuse feeds for the day-page-sets (for example: http://obmwiki.org/hive/Soup?action=rss&full=1&days=90&match=%5E%5Cd%5Cd%5Cd%5Cd-%5Cd%5Cd-%5Cd%5Cd.*DayPageSets)

The day-page-sets go into the soup like this:

original oddmuse feed → google feedburner = feed for the day-page-set → yahoo pipes → google feedburner → soup-feed

The recent changes go into the soup like this:

original oddmuse feed → google feedburner → friendfeed group → google feedburner = changes-feed → yahoo pipes → google feedburner → soup-feed.

The former soup has been moved to the page soup via soup.io. It is for memory and for checking if soup.io still updates.

DayPageSets

soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:49 +0000

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day-page-sets

The list of day-page-sets in the soup-wiki:

about the latest modification

Mattis Manzel:
The day-page-set day-page-sets has been started.

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soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:30 +0000

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soup-substitution, first attempt

MattisManzel:
As usual a lot of experimenting … Sorry, I need that to find out things.

Additional to the soup generated by soup.io (which – tada! – today updates for the second day in follow) I prepared a new “combination of day-page-set” called soup via friendfeed just to see the difference. It provides the soup-via-friendfeed-feed. Unfortunately the soup via friendfeed turns links in the full text of day-pages into plain text. That’s why it would be so nice to have a reliable soup.io … I knew it! Still I should give soup-substitution another try with tumblr.

I’ll go with the old soup for now, hoping that it carries on updating. Thanks to the soup.io folks for making updating work again (still the creation of new soup groups is not yet possible, but take your time, please).

PeripheryFeeds

soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:28 +0000

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periphery feeds

Feeds provided by the periphery of connected web-services associated with the soup-wiki and by the search queries in it:
or → = is included into the page in the soup-wiki

Feeds provided by user accounts for the soup-wiki on web-services importing its soup:

More feeds in the periphery of connected web-services:

bit.ly-soup-wiki-feed
→ bit.ly soup-wiki

Feeds for search queries:

groups-soup-wiki-feed
groups soup-wiki

the latest modification

MattisManzel:
The day-page-set periphery feeds has been started.

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soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:27 +0000

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woke up this morning …

MattisManzel:
I woke up this morning and checked if the soup-feed updates, a habit of mine. Soup.io didn’t update since weeks but – surprise! – it did this morning. That’s nice.

I took the opportunity and activated all connected web-services. This post as part of the soup of the soup-wiki should appear in the services within a few hours.

In the meantime – a bit disappointed by my weird persistence to use soup.io – I had been trying to generate the soup-feed for a wiki with friendfeed only. That works. See odd-wiki-hive – 2012-07-18 talk, please.

Face

soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:20 +0000

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tempting

The soup-wiki has been started in 2012-07-08 with the intention to help the soup.io community. The idea to use it to help with various still unsolved aspects in developing independent and reliable social networking platforms in general is tempting.

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soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:17 +0000

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Ursuppe

MattisManzel:
“Ursuppe” I thought (I’m German). That’s primeval soup or primordial soup in German. I searched for pictures, found this page and made a header and a logo for the soup-wiki from the picture on it. I tried to find the pic on http://www.jpl.nasa.gov but I didn’t. To do: credit the artist and probably ask for permission to use it.

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soup-wiki — Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:25:16 +0000

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Dear Mattis Manzel and soup.io users,

there seems to be quite evidently no social network service to find like soup.io which tried to insist on the original early social network [2007] idea of open structured incoming and outgoing RSS-feeds combined with highly communicative dynamics in all levels of content by mutually changeable entries between its community members, than soup.io – what makes it so hard to find a adequate platform to replace it.

Nevertheless a honest report of state shows immediately, what remained has nothing to do any more with the initial concept, simply by its ongoing dysfunctional features.

The fact that soup.io has hardly developed further during its years of existence shows as well that the costs to maintain and improve code and servers are just too high and the returns too low, if there are a) no reliable advertising possibilities, b) no fees and/or c) no forms of communities, which are developing and structuring the specific features and usability by a mandate to guarantee a commonly declared target.

Means, I don’t believe just in better algorithms, clever features and security measures, but also in the necessity to formulate and to precise common interests, to pay at least a basic fee for using a digital tool which – directly or indirectly – doesn’t sell its users profiles and allows plus engages them to participate.

Each kind of algorithm will be sooner or later less original than in its beginning as likewise every security measure has its limited reliability, but social forms of on-line communities, which are based on a written and sustained idea and declaration of people wouldn’t easily give up their social network platform, which is to be considered as a digitized form of their existence.

Res ipsa loquitur, I am thinking here about the OWS and related movements around the globe. It is quite astounding (or should I say characteristic ?) that during the developments 2010/11 no parallel and economically independent on-line organization in combination with a social network platform of international impact was initiated.

Many questions will certainly be to rise on the background of such demands, but to believe that a presumed priceless on-line platform existence will at the end of the day stay priceless for us, the users, our on-line virtues and the sustainability of our on-line histories is IMHO unpardonable naive.

I hope your soup-wiki will find some promising discussion entries to spark an initiative spirit for the soup.io community and for various still unsolved aspects to develop further independently and reliably working social network platforms which are worth the name.

Munich, Sunday 2012-07-08 [ 5:40 p.m. CEST]

oAnth

cf. https://getsatisfaction.com/soup/topics/again_automatic_import_is_dead

MattisManzel:
Thanks oAnth for your eloquent SeedPosting, it’s exactly what the soup-wiki was missing a few hours after starting it. Well done!

I made a couple of accounts for the soup-wiki already: google, soup.io, yahoo … and will make a few more.

A page listing people who’d like to help on getting back into the development of soup.io seems adequate: who would like to help.

One more time, dear soup.io folks, thanks so much. Most annoying for me is currently that I can’t create new soup groups anymore. I hope this can be repaired.