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Chas Emerick, Mostly Lazy - Podcast Episode 031

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 14 May 2013 07:00:00 PDT

Chas Emerick is a well-known and respected member of the Clojure community. His contributions to the Clojure world include the Friend authentication library, the annual State of Clojure Survey, and, of course, his book, to name just a few. On top of that, he's a very insightful and interesting person. So I was thrilled to get the chance to sit down with him and record what I think turned out to be a fascinating conversation. We talked about his book, his business, his secret new project, "100% time", and the weight of the word "should".

As a bonus, although he and I disagree about whose idea this was (I still say it was his), we continued the conversation on Mostly Lazy, his podcast. That episode should be available not too long after this one.

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Our Guest, Chas Emerick

His blog
@cemerick on Twitter
His GitHub home

Music

Chas chose "Whispering Wind" by Moby as the intro, and "Take me Home Country Roads" by John Denver to end the show.

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Michael Parenteau

Production Assistance:

Jason Wolfe of Prismatic - Podcast Episode 030

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 07 May 2013 07:30:00 PDT

One of the few unfortunate aspects to working at Relevance is that we sometimes know about people using Clojure in cool ways that we can't talk about. So when Ben Moss suggested that we talk to someone at Prismatic, I jumped at the chance. They have definitely put Clojure into production in a big and awesome way, and I was really glad to get the chance to talk to Jason Wolfe about their experience building Prismatic, including some of the cool stuff they've open sourced out of it. A big thanks to Jason, and to you, our listeners.

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Our Guest, Jason Wolfe

Music

Jason chose "Fight Test" by The Flaming Lips as the intro, and "Get Free" by Major Lazer to end the show.

Action Items

Clojure Style Guide

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Michael Parenteau

Production Assistance:

Lake Denman - Podcast Episode 029

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:00:00 PDT

Michael Parenteau suggested to me that we ought to have Lake Denman on the show. "He's done some cool stuff, man." I remember hearing about a crazy and awesome Arduino project that Lake had worked on, so I thought, "Yeah, sure, we should totally have Lake on." And I'm very glad we did: Lake has indeed worked on some amazingly creative projects, and he has even more ambitious and interesting ones in mind. I hope you enjoy listening to him talk about them on this episode as much as I enjoyed hearing them.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

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Our Guest, Lake Denman

@L4k3 on Twitter
His Relevance profile

Music

Lake chose "Cherub Rock" by The Smashing Pumpkins as the intro, and "Folk You" by Lake Denman/Nailbiter Society to end the show.

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Michael Parenteau

Production Assistance:

Ben Vandgrift - Podcast Episode 028

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 09 Apr 2013 07:00:00 PDT

Pretty much every conversation I've ever had with Ben Vandgrift has involved him saying something profound or insightful. I think this episode of the podcast was no exception, as we talked about Ben's experience as a relative newcomer to Clojure, and he had some constructive (and slightly painful) feedback for the Clojure community. We also got to talk about (inc Relevance), the quarterly gathering of Relevance employees, which Ben spearheads. I hope you enjoy the show!

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Our Guest, Ben Vandgrift

Music

Ben chose "Beat on the Brat" by The Ramones as the intro, and "I Wanna be Sedated" by The Ramones to end the show.

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Kevin Altman

Production Assistance:

Tim Ewald on Pedestal - Podcast Episode 027

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:30:00 PDT

As this post goes up, Tim Ewald and Stu Halloway are on stage at Clojure/West unveiling Pedestal, a set of open source libraries for writing web applications and services in Clojure. We here at Relevance have been hard at work on it for months, and we're extremely excited to be able to finally share it with the world.

In this episode, I talk with my close friend Tim about what Pedestal is, why we wrote it, and what makes it so interesting. Enjoy!

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Our Guest,

Tim Ewald

Music

Tim chose "Darkness on the Edge of Town" by Bruce Springsteen as the intro, and "Blinded by the Light" by Bruce Springsteen to end the show.

Credits

Marc Phillips (@turbomarc), production assistance
Michael Parenteau (@parenteau), episode cover art
Daemian Mack (@daemianmack), production assistance
Kim Foster, production assistance

Alex Redington - Podcast Episode 026

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 19 Feb 2013 07:00:00 PST

If you've listened to the show more than once or twice, you've probably heard us mention pair programming. One of the things that people often ask us is how we make that work when so many of us are remote. So I thought that it would be good to talk with someone with whom I have done a fair amount of very successful remote pair programming: Alex Redington. The result was this episode, in which we talk about the various tools and pairing behaviors we use. And about setting things on fire.

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Our Guest,

Alex Redington

Music

Alex chose "Lateralus" by Tool as the intro, and "The Regulator" by Clutch to end the show.

Credits

Lake Denman (@l4k3), Lynn Grogan (@lynngrogan), Sam Umbach (@samumbach), production assistance
Michael Parenteau (@parenteau), episode cover art

Alex Warr - Podcast Episode 025

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 29 Jan 2013 07:00:00 PST

When potential customers decide that they might want to work with us, their first point of contact is our sales department. It's there that they get their first impression of what sort of company we are. So it has been clear to me for quite some time that we needed to have Alex Warr, the head of our sales team, on the show to talk about what sales is like at Relevance. Along the way, we also managed to talk about babysitting, gaming, law school, and a few other things besides. Enjoy the episode!

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Our Guest, Alex Warr

@jalexwarr on Twitter
His Relevance profile

Music

Alex chose "Staying Alive" by The Bee Gees as the intro, and "Ziggy Stardust" by David Bowie to end the show.

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Michael Parenteau

Production Assistance:

i-Human - Podcast Episode 024

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 07:00:00 PST

At Relevance, our mission is to help people solve hard problems through software. Most of the time, we do that through consulting. So it seemed well past time that we had one of our consulting clients on the show. And in my opinion we could not have made a better choice than Anne Tweet and Jay Patel of i-Human. We got a chance to talk not only about their experience working with us, but also about the really interesting software that they're building. I had a great time talking with them - I hope you, too, will enjoy this episode!

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Guests

Our guests on this episode were Jay Patel and Anne Tweet of i-Human.

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Michael Parenteau

Production Assistance:

Justin Gehtland - Podcast Episode 023

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 07:00:00 PST

Way back at the end of 2011, I had this idea that maybe I could record some conversations with various Relevancers and throw together a podcast. Our very first guest was Justin Gehtland, so as the end of the year and the anniversary of the show approached, I thought it would be only too appropriate to have Justin on again. Besides, he's a great guest, and we were clearly overdue to have him on the show again.

As is traditional for this time of year, we spent a good chunk of our conversation talking about the year gone by (verdict: it was crazy) and the year to come (verdict: it's super exciting).

I hope you enjoy this episode!

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Our Guest, Justin Gehtland

@jgehtland on Twitter
His Relevance profile

Music

Justin chose "Mountain Song" by Jane's Addiction as the intro, and "Clean Elvis" by Dan Reeder to end the show.

Credits

Episode Cover Art:

Michael Parenteau

Production Assistance:

Timothy Baldridge - Podcast Episode 022

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 12 Dec 2012 07:00:00 PST

It may sound trite to say so, but Relevance is the awesome place it is because of the people that work here. So I thought it would be interesting to talk to our newest hire, Timothy Baldridge, about what it's like to get hired. He had a lot to say on the subject, and I found it pretty interesting. Just as interesting was finding out more about Clojure-Py, Timothy's implementation of Clojure on the Python runtime.

So please download the episode and enjoy!

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Our Guest, Timothy Baldridge

@timbaldridge on Twitter
On GitHub
His Relevance profile

Music

Timothy chose "Viva La Vida" by Coldplay as the intro, and "Don't Be Afraid" by Nobuo Uematsu to end the show.

Credits

Marc Phillips (@turbomarc), production assistance
Michael Parenteau (@parenteau), episode cover art

Jason Rudolph - Podcast Episode 021

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 05 Dec 2012 07:15:00 PST

After Stu and Justin founded Relevance and started to grow it into the company it is today, one of the first things that they did was to hire Jason Rudolph. For that reason alone, I have long wanted to have him on the podcast. As it turned out, he had his premiere on the show with the Rails Rumble episode a few weeks ago. But way back in August I had already finally taken the time to sit down with him and chat a bit. Things being what they are, it has taken me until now to finally edit and publish that first episode.

Anyway, we got a chance to talk about his evolving role at Relevance, his recent experiences with ClojureScript, and his life as a productivity nerd. It was fun! Download the episode here. Enjoy, and thanks for listening!

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

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Our Guest, Jason Rudolph

@jasonrudolph on Twitter
On GitHub
His blog
His Relevance profile

Music

Jason chose "My Humps" by Alanis Morissette as the intro, and "Good Directions" by Billy Currington to end the show.

Credits

Marc Phillips (@turbomarc), production assistance
Michael Parenteau (@parenteau), episode cover art

Rails Rumble 2012 - Podcast Episode 020

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 07:00:00 PST

It's our 20th episode! I'm not sure I ever thought the show would still be going after twenty of these, but we are, and I can't think of a better quartet of guests with which to celebrate it than Jason Rudolph, Kevin Altman, Jared Pace, and Michael Parenteau. They sat down with me and we talked about the 2012 Rails Rumble, in which they stayed awake for most of an entire weekend and produced goodmix.fm from scratch. Wow. Not only that, but out of 500 entries, they finished 10th. Double wow.

Download the episode here. I enjoyed listening to their stories of their experiences, and I think you will, too.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Our Guests

Jason Rudolph
- @jasonrudolph on Twitter
- On GitHub
- His blog
- His Relevance profile
Kevin Altman
- @itg on Twitter
- On GitHub
- His Relevance profile
Jared Pace
- @jdpace on Twitter
- On GitHub
Michael Parenteau
- @parenteau on Twitter
- On GitHub
- His Relevance profile

The Music

The intro song is "Eye of the Tiger", by Survivor
The outro song is "Gangnam Style (강남스타일)", by PSY

Other Notes

Rails Rumble
- Contest rules
- 500 teams entered the competition
- Winners
- Profile page for "Goodmix" by Team "Err on the Side of Too Much Bacon"
goodmix.fm
@goodmixfm on Twitter (with custom "wall of cassettes" background artwork)
Mixtapes
Linode
Previous podcast episodes with our guests
- Michael was our guest on episode 005
- Jared was one of our guests on episode 012
- We alluded to Jason being our guest on a previous episode. That episode was recorded but hasn't been published yet. Stay tuned!
Grooveshark
Grooveshark API
Rdio
Spotify
CoffeeScript
Big Design Up Front
Iteration Zero at Relevance
Scalable Vector Graphics (SVGs)
Adobe Flash
Susie Steiner sent her brother a Goodmix for his birthday via Twitter
Other Rails Rumble winners mentioned
- findthin.gs (1st place)
- Deploy Button (3rd place and public favorite)
Breaking Bad
"Build half a product, not a half-ass product", a chapter from Getting Real by 37signals
Unit tests
Rich Hickey compares unit tests to guard rails
Technical debt
Aaron Bedra
Designers and developers pair
Michelle Rudolph

Credits

Jason Rudolph (@jasonrudolph), production assistance
Kevin Altman (@itg), episode cover art

Rich Hickey - Podcast Episode 019

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Fri, 12 Oct 2012 12:43:00 PDT

The Datomic team created a bit of a splash this past Wednesday when they released codeq, an open source project built on top of Datomic that lets you import a git repository. You can then run queries against it to find out all sorts of interesting things...at the level of individual functions! Very cool stuff, and I thought our listeners might want to hear more about it. Fortunately, Rich Hickey was kind enough to take a few minutes to enlighten me about the project.

Download the episode here. Hopefully you'll find it as interesting as I did!

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Our Guest, Rich Hickey

Rich Hickey

Music

Rich chose "Rays On Pinion" by Baroness as the intro, and "The Widow" by The Mars Volta to end the show.

Credits

Jamie Kite (@jgkite), production assistance
Michael Parenteau (@parenteau), episode cover art

Stuart Sierra - Podcast Episode 018

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 10 Oct 2012 06:35:00 PDT

One of the great things about working with Relevance is the opportunity not just to work with excellent developers, but to actually pair with them. One of my favorite people to pair with over the last couple of years has been Stuart Sierra. He and another Relevancer, Luke VanderHart are the authors of Practical Clojure. But they are also working on ClojureScript: Up and Running, the first-ever book about ClojureScript. When I heard that the book would be out soon, it was just one more reason to finally have Stuart on the podcast. We talked about the book, about his role in developing Clojure itself, and about Stuart's decision to take up programming rather than acting.

Download the episode here. I hope you enjoy it!

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Our Guest, Stuart Sierra

@stuartsierra on Twitter
On GitHub
His blog
His Relevance profile

The Music

Stuart chose George Gershwin's Prelude #1 piano prelude as the intro song, and Oscar Peterson playing On a Clear Day (You Can See Forever) to close the show.

Other Notes

Clojure/core
Luke VanderHart, author with Stuart of Practical Clojure and fellow Relevancer
ClojureScript: Up and Running, their new book
ClojureScript
Clojure
The existing Clojure books:
- Practical Clojure
- Programming Clojure
- Clojure in Action
- Clojure Programming
- The Joy of Clojure
Brenton Ashworth
ClojureScript One
JavaScript
Clojure/CLR
Clojure/conj
O'Reilly
Just a few of the many languages that compile to JavaScript
- ClojureScript
- CoffeeScript
- Dart
- TypeScript
- Elm
- Many others
Strange Loop
Stuart's talk there
Clojure/West
Rich Hickey
Rich's 2007 talk at Lisp NYC that got Stuart interested in Clojure
"Humble brag"
Chris Houser
clojure.tools.namespace
Noir
Rails
(require :reload-all)
REPL
Phil Hagelberg
Leinginen
Laurent Petit
Counterclockwise
clojure.contrib
Stuart's article about the changes to contrib
Subversion
Clojure's old Subversion repo
Clojars
The GitHub Clojure org
The Clojure Hudson server
Maven Central
core.logic
David Nolen
test.generative
QuickCheck
Haskell
Columbia University
Retrospectives
New York University
- Their Tisch Scool of the Arts
Dungeons & Dragons
The People's Improv Theater

Jamie Kite - Podcast Episode 017

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 03 Oct 2012 07:00:00 PDT

We've said again and again on the podcast that software is about people. And it's hard to imagine software that could be more about people than a website that helps women understand their own bodies. Which is why, when Jamie sent out an internal email at Relevance about femm.me, her new fertility awareness app, I knew that it would make for a great episode.

So have a listen as we talk about Jamie's work on the website, how she came to Relevance, and the role of food in her life. Enjoy!

Download the episode here.

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You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Our Guest, Jamie Kite

@jgkite and @ravenousfig on Twitter
Her Relevance profile
Her food blog Ravenous Fig
On GitHub

The Music

The intro song is "It's a Jungle Out There", by Randy Newman
The outro song, dedicated to Jamie's grandfather who recently passed away, is "I Got Shoes", performed by Tata Vega

Other Notes

Monk, the TV series
Jamie's infographic resume, the coverage thereof, and the Hacker News posting
Michael Parenteau
- Michael's episode of the podcast
Forrst
Dribbble
Orlando, Florida
Ruby
Clojure
femm.me
Fertility Awareness
"Taking Charge of Your Fertility", by Toni Weschler
Heroku
The rhythm method
Wikipedia's entry on fertility
Coverline
Cervical mucus
Justin Gehtland
Ruby gems
The definition of "foodie"

Clojure Conference Organizers - Podcast Episode 016

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Sat, 22 Sep 2012 05:00:00 PDT

It's fall, and that means Strange Loop is happening! So what better time to release an episode we recorded back in July with Alex Miller, Marco Abis, and Lynn Grogan? Alex is the organizer of Strange Loop as well as of Clojure/West, Marco put together EuroClojure, and Lynn is the key person at Relevance responsible for pulling off Clojure/conj. Getting these three together was Lynn's idea, and I think after listening to the episode, you'll agree that it was a good one!

We talked about what's involved in organizing a conference like these, and heard a few horror stories about the things that the organizers have to deal with while the rest of us are enjoying the talks and the camaraderie.

By the way, I'll be at Strange Loop myself this year. If you happen to be there, come over and say hi - it's always great to meet listeners!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Our Guests

Alex Miller
- @puredanger on Twitter
- His blog
- On GitHub
Marco Abis
- @capotribu on Twitter
Lynn Grogan
- @lynngrogan on Twitter
- On the Relevance website

The Music

The intro song is "Ace of Spades", by Motorhead
The outro song is "This Must be the Place", by The Talking Heads

Other Notes

Clojure/conj
- Only 20 tickets left as I write this!
EuroClojure 2012
Clojure/West
Strange Loop
Rich Hickey
Rich's keynote at EuroClojure
Rich's Reducers talk at EuroClojure
Colin Jones and Aaron Bedra talked about Clojure koans at Clojure/West
Phil Hagelberg's swarm coding talk at Clojure/West
Seajure, the Seattle Clojure users' group
Italian Agile Day
Lots of places on this episode!
- London
- St. Louis
- San Jose
- Durham
- Milan
- Portland
The San Jose Marriott, where Clojure/West was held
Toni Batchelli, Alex's man on the ground in San Jose
The Bay Area Clojure User Group
Sean Corfield
Amit Rathore
DevOx in Belgium
Hadoop
The Perfection Game
The London Clojure Group
Craig's talk at Clojure/West
InfoQ
QCon
Relevance Fridays
George Washington University
Forward, a sponsor of EuroClojure
Craig's talk at Clojure/conj 2011
DHCP
Relevance is offering training before Clojure/conj in November
Datomic

Michael Fogus - Podcast Episode 015

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 07 Aug 2012 07:00:00 PDT

It was a sad day when I heard that Fogus was leaving Relevance, even if it was for a pretty good reason. So when Kovas Boguta asked if we were going to have him on the podcast to share his experiences at the company, I thought, "Well, of course we are. Why didn't I think of that?"

As always, it was a pleasure to speak with Fogus. We had a chance to talk about what he thought Relevance does well, and more importantly, where he thinks we could do better. As a special treat he also shared with us an exciting project he's working on... we thank him for choosing the podcast to announce it! Enjoy the episode!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Fogus:
- @fogus
- Author of The Joy of Clojure
- Fogus on GitHub
- Embloginations
Our intro music was "Behind the Wall of Sleep" by Black Sabbath
Out outro music was "Rattler's Hey" by Belbury Poly
Fogus was our guest on episode 008
Clinton Dreisbach (formerly Clinton Nixon) was our guest on episode 007
Aaron Bedra was our guest on episode 004
This show was requested by Kovas Boguta - thanks!
Fogus's blog post about why he left Relevance
Fogus's new company is Dynamic Animation Systems
- Note that it's at d-a-s.com/, not das.com like we said on the show
The definition of "das" in German
Sorry, I couldn't figure out what it means in Lithuanian. Leave a comment if you know!
Retrospectives at Relevance
The definition of "libertine"
Clojure/core
Fogus and Alan Dipert may have left, but we are hiring!
Clojure/West
Rich Hickey
Stu Halloway
The clojure-dev community
Datomic
Clojure
Fogus's reading list
Forth
John McCarthy
Python Decorators
Alan Kay
- "A Conversation with Alan Kay" in which he refers to Computer Science as being not a science but a "pop culture"
History of Programming Languages, Volume 2
Russ Olsen
- His books, Design Patterns in Ruby and Eloquent Ruby
Clojure/conj
The Strange Loop
Fogus's talk "The Reemergence of Datalog" at The Strange Loop
The National Capital Area Clojure Users Group (CAPCLUG)
Fogus's compiler that turns ClojureScript into Java
Fogus's work on continuations
Event sourcing
Sun Ra
Himera, the Russian band

Rich Hickey - Podcast Episode 014

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 10:56:00 PDT

I recently found myself in Durham at the same time as Rich Hickey. Obviously, Rich has quite a few major accomplishments under his belt, including creating Clojure, ClojureScript, and Datomic, three technologies I personally use and love. Understandably, I think, I've wanted to have him on the podcast since the show started.

As it happens, Rich is also a super nice guy, and was therefore kind enough to sit down for a few minutes and indulge me. I really enjoyed our conversation about Clojure, music, Datomic, the fascinating question of whether our ears have a "focus" mechanism, how to design things by taking them apart, and a variety of other topics. I'm sure you'll enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed recording it!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Rich is @richhickey on Twitter
The music
- The opening music was "Lycanthrope" by Thinking Plague
- The closing song was "Walk in My Shadow" by Free
Clojure/core
Stu Halloway
Stu's book, Programming Clojure
We spoke with Stu on podcast episode 010
The "Out of the Tar Pit" paper
The Hammock Talk
The Simplicity Matters talk from RailsConf 2012
Machine Listening
Digital Signal Processing
Auditory Scene Analysis
Cochlea
The Foo Fighters
MIDI
NYU
C++
Digital Audio Fingerprinting
GOTO Copenhagen 2012
EuroClojure 2012
Don Reinertsen
His book, The Principles of Product Development Flow: Second Generation Lean Product Development
A few of our podcast covers:

Marc Phillips - Podcast Episode 013

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 07:00:00 PDT

When someone suggested that I should have Marc Phillips on the show, I knew right away it would be a fun episode. And, as I think you'll hear from the moment the intro music starts, I was right! Marc and I talked about retrospectives, agile coaching, and the many wonderful qualities of monkeys.

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Marc Phillips
The music
- The opening music was "Baby Monkey Riding Backwards On a Pig", by Parry Gripp.
- The YouTube video
- The closing music was "Free Bird", by Lynyrd Skynyrd
People and stuff we mentioned on the show
- Open a banana like a monkey
- Relevance's definition of "coach"
- git
- Agile Project Management
- Marc's blog post: "Agile Reboot: Putting the Man back in Manifesto"
- Marc’s blog post: "Why Retrospectives Should Get Personal"
- Iteration 0
- ClojureScript One
- "Are my methods unsound?"
- Chris Redinger
- Alex Warr
- Jason Rudolph
- Jamie Kite
- Russ Olsen
- CoffeeScript
- Rutabaga
- Maggie Litton
- Microsoft
- Bing Mobile
- Satya Nadella
- Michael Nygard
- Risk Assessments and Retrospectives
- Seth Godin
- The blog post describing the coach role on the Relevance website that got Marc to move to Durham

Marc also had one more note he wanted to add, even though we didn't touch on this during the show. In his words:

One person we didn't get a chance to talk about was my last manager at Microsoft, George Santino, who recently retired to record an album of Frank Sinatra songs and become a motivational speaker. I remember the day at work when his doctor frantically returned his call about chest pains to say he was probably having a heart attack, and George said he was in the middle of a discussion with his team and would drive himself to the hospital when it was over (turned out to be a muscle spasm). And then he proudly began his last day of work by falling down a flight of stairs, refusing an ambulance, and ending his tenure with a full and productive day punctuated by limps and bleeding. He's basically the Terminator, if the Terminator liked to sing and help people.

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 012 - Craftsman Swap

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Tue, 22 May 2012 09:00:00 PDT

One of the core principles we hold to at Relevance is the idea that we should always be striving to get better. A big part of that is recognizing that we can learn a lot from others, especially when those others have the same attitudes about continuous improvement. That's certainly true at Bendyworks, which is why we were happy to do a Craftsman Swap with them recently, where we sent them Jared Pace for a week, and they sent us Chris Wilson.

On this episode, we talk to Jared and Chris and their pair partners Alan Dipert and Devin Walters about that experience. We also talked about accidentally taking the ferry and whether exposure to radioactivity makes you better at using project management tools. It was a fun and interesting conversation that made me want to try a Craftsman Swap myself! Perhaps you'll feel the same. If so, give us a shout - we'd love to spend some time learning from you! And I know the same goes for Bendyworks.

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Devin Walters
- His Bendyworks page
- @devn
- GitHub
- Blog
- Email him!
Chris Wilson
Jared Pace
Alan Dipert
- His Relevance page
- @alandipert
- GitHub
- Blog
- Mr. Dipert dresses exclusively in fine outerwear from The Mountain
The music
- The opening music was "It Takes Two", by Rob Base and DJ E-Z Rock
- The closing music was "Happy Together", by The Turtles
People and stuff we mentioned on the show
- Bendyworks
- Madison, Wisconsin
- Durham, North Carolina
- Craftsman Swaps are an aspect of the software craftsmanship movement
- Some previous swaps Relevance has been involved in
- bash
- say
- Voices for say
- Risk Assessments and Retrospectives
- Fermilab
- The Large Hadron Collider (LHC)
- Gordan Freeman
- Pivotal Tracker
- Miami, Florida
- Corey Haines
- Corey's hacker-in-residence visit to Relevance a few years ago
- Chad Humphries
- Colonial Willamsburg
- Jamestown
- Jamestown-Scotland Ferry
- Jason Rudolph
- Stephen Anderson
- National Mustard Museum
- Mad Clojure, the Madison Clojure Meetup
- Clojure
- Ruby
- Haskell
- Bwoken
- Bradley Grzesiak
- Jaymes Waters
- clojuredocs.org
- Midje
- test.generative
- QuickCheck
- RushCheck
- EuroClojure and Devin's talk there
- Sam Aaron's Clojure/conj talk
- Rich Hickey
- Craig's Clojure/conj talk
- Errbit
- Hoptoad/Airbrake
- pdfkit
- The Best Pairing Jams of 2012

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 011 - Jen Myers

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Fri, 04 May 2012 07:49:00 PDT

I've heard several developers at Relevance comment on how much they like working with our designers. I totally agree. The one I've been fortunate enough to work with the most often is Jen Myers. So I welcomed the chance to talk to her about what she's been up to lately... which is a lot! In this episode, we chat about her efforts with Girl Develop It Columbus, responsive web design, conference speaking, and CSS nerd wars.

Jen was an extremely interesting, thoughtful, and humble guest, and I enjoyed talking with her. I know you'll enjoy listening just as much!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Jen Myers:
- @antiheroine
- Jen on GitHub
- Her blog
The music
- The opening music was "Northern Lights", by St. Vincent
- The closing music was "Can We Go Wrong", by Hesta Prynn
People and stuff we mentioned on the show
- Artifact, a very unfinished game that Jen has helped Craig with
- ClojureScript One
- Girl Develop It Columbus
- Jen's Introductory HTML/CSS class
- Girl Develop It New York, Philadelphia, Austin, and Ottawa
- Jen's teammates, Michael Parenteau and Kevin Altman
- JavaScript
- Responsive Web Design
- One conversation in the ongoing "CSS Prefix War"
- Jen will be speaking at Stir Trek on May 4th, and at Queen City Merge on May 11th
- Jen spoke at Codepalooza between the time we recorded and when this episode was published. Her session was Developers Can't Design (and Other Completely Mistaken Design Myths)

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 010 - Stu Halloway

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Thu, 26 Apr 2012 06:29:00 PDT

One of the hardest things about working at Relevance over the last couple of years has been keeping quiet about Datomic. So when we heard that Datomic was being released, I immediately sent an email to Stuart Halloway asking if he'd be willing to do a podcast episode, not just because he had such a big hand in Datomic, but because as one of the founders of Relevance and as an all-around interesting guy I knew it would make for a great show.

I don't think I was wrong. So have a listen as we talk about Datomic, simulation testing, a capella music, and what makes Stu want to drop-kick a gorilla, and see if you agree. Thanks for listening!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Stuart Halloway:
- @stuarthalloway
- Stu on GitHub
The music
- Stu chose two songs by The Pitchforks, of Duke University, his alma mater
- The opening music was a cover of "Fireflies", originally by Owl City
- The closing music was a cover of "Hysteria", by Muse
People and stuff we mentioned on the show
- Programming Clojure
- Datomic
- Rich Hickey
- Rich’s Strange Loop keynote from 2011, "Simple Made Easy"
- complect
- Neal Ford
- His "Emergent Design" talk, where he talks about accidental versus essential complexity
- Object-Relational Mapping (ORM)
- Logic Programming
- SQL
- Git
- Subversion
- SourceSafe
- ACID
- NoSql
- Fogus
- Himera, his ClojureScript compilation service
- His blog post talking about separating Read from Eval
- The 2008 JVM Langauge Summit
- The Pragmatic Studio
- Ruby
- Ruby on Rails
- Justin Gehtland
- Document stores
- Key-value stores
- Triplestores
- Alan Dipert
- Episode 009, where Alan was a guest
- Alan’s talk at Clojure/West about data shapes
- "Yak Shaving"
- Metadata Partners, maker of Datomic
- Rich's keynote at the first Clojure/conj
- The Zoom H4n, which I used to record this episode
- Tim Ewald
- How We Work
- IRC
- Campfire
- Skype
- Mikogo
- Omnigraffle
- org-mode
- Mike Nygard
- Test-Driven Development (TDD)
- clojure.data.diff
- test.generative
- ClojureScript
- Datomic pricing
- Clojure
- "The Cloud"
- DynamoDB
- PLTHulk
- idempotency

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 009 - Alan Dipert

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Mon, 09 Apr 2012 07:14:00 PDT

If you've looked at our website lately, you might have noticed that it's a lot easier to see that we do training. Of course, we've always done training, but lately we've realized that we needed to be a bit more obvious about the fact - hence the new info on the website. So I thought it would be a great time to bring Alan Dipert onto the show, as he had a big hand in both reshaping the website and the courses that we offer.

Of course, we didn't just talk about training. We also hit on the topics of the importance of data, criticisms of the Lambda Calculus, and famous hackers turned dance club owners. I certainly enjoyed my conversation with Alan - have a listen, and I think you will too!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Alan:
- @alandipert
- Alan on GitHub
- Alan’s blog
- Mr. Dipert dresses exclusively in fine outerwear from The Mountain
The music
- The opening music was "(April) Spring, Summer & Wednesdays" by Status Quo
- The closing music was "808 PM At the Beach", by Fred Falke
People and stuff we mentioned on the show
- Relevance training
- Clojure
- ClojureScript
- Ruby
- Ruby on Rails
- Rich Hickey
- How We Work
- Agile
- The Pragmatic Studio
- DevelopMentor
- Stu Halloway
- Justin Gehtland
- Stuart Sierra
- Tim Ewald
- Jamie Zawinski aka jwz
- His club: DNA Lounge
- His screensavers
- His mix tapes
- jwz’s Netscape home page
- Netscape these days
- Peter Norvig
- Alan said jwz worked for Peter Norvig at CMU, but that is incorrect. jwz worked for Scott Fahlman at CMU and then later for Peter Norvig at Berkeley.
- jwz hacked on the TI Explorer, not a Xerox Lisp Machine
- Alan’s talk at Clojure/West about data shapes
- C#
- CSS
- Datomic
- Rich’s Strange Loop keynote from 2011
- John Backus
- His Turing award lecture, “Can Programming Be Liberated from the von Neumann Style?”
- Backus-Naur
- FORTRAN
- ALGOL
- Persistent data structures
- “Smug Lisp Weenies”
- “Why Calculating is Better than Scheming”
- The Lambda Calculus
- The FP programming language

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 008 - Michael Fogus

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 06:24:00 PDT

Anyone who's been around Clojure for a little while will have heard the name Michael Fogus, who is our guest on this episode of the podcast. Fogus (as we call him) is a hacker, author, and all-around nice guy. He has recently launched Himera, a web service that compiles ClojureScript to Javascript. I've wanted to interview Fogus for quite a while, and that was all the excuse I needed.

While we were talking, we touched not only on Himera, but on pair programming, Datomic, music, and a bunch of other stuff. I hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as I enjoyed recording it!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Fogus:
- @fogus
- Author of The Joy of Clojure
- Fogus on GitHub
- Embloginations
The music
- The intro was "Mu" by Sun Ra
- On the show, we said the outro was "Witching Hour", by Ladytron. It turns out that's the album on which the song we played actually appears. The song is "The Last One Standing".
People and stuff we mentioned on the show
- ClojureScript
- Rich Hickey
- Chris Houser a.k.a. chouser
- chouser's ClojureScript
- Himera, the ClojureScript compilation service
- Himera, the Russian band
- "Himera" written in Russian: химера
- Heroku
- Paul Bauer: On Twitter @pmbauer and on the web at (def title nil)
- Paul Bauer's ClojureScript compilation service
- Chris Granger, Clojure superhero: On GitHub and on the web
- The live game editing demo he did
- "Inventing on Principle"
- Fogus’s blog post about why ClojureScript doesn’t have eval
- Fogus's Lifehacker article
- The blog post it came from
- The HackerNews discussion about it
- Expert Systems: Principles and Practice, by Giarratano and Riley
- Lisp in Small Pieces
- CiteSeer
- The Association for Computing Machinery (ACM)
- Datomic
- Datalog
- "Pair Programming Considered Harmful?"
- Brenton Ashworth
- ClojureScript One
- Google docs
- We mentioned writely, but they are now Google Docs
- Krautrock

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 007 - Clinton Nixon

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Mon, 26 Mar 2012 06:51:00 PDT

On this episode, we talk to Clinton Nixon, about his sweet Ruby on Rails setup, amongst other things. We work with a lot of different technologies at Relevance, but Rails has been and continues to be one of the most important for us. So it was fun to hear how a real expert gets his Rails on. I hope you'll agree!

Download the episode here.

The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Clinton Nixon:
The music
- The intro was "Future Crimes" by Wild Flag
- The outro was "The Street Beater" by Quincy Jones
Stuff we mentioned on the show
- Pry
- A definition of REPL
- rvm
- rbenv
- tmux
- The Ruby 1.9.3 patch for faster Rails boot time
- find-file-in-project
- find-file-in-git-repo
- ctags
- Clinton's emacs setup
- Clinton's dotfiles
- bundler docs
- bundler source
- http://apidock.org
- Vagrant
- Chef
- Puppet
- Cygwin
- Sequel
- Scheme
- Racket
- Perl
- Learn a bit more about B Corporations on our first episode
- Clojure/conj!
- Hunt the Wumpus on prompt.sh

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 006 - Larry Karnowski

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Mon, 27 Feb 2012 01:30:00 PST

On this episode, we talk to Larry Karnowski, one of our most senior employees, about Relevance culture. Along with his other duties, Larry works with all our new hires to make them aware of the many awesome and unusual practices and resources we have here at Relevance. Larry does a great job of talking about retrospectives, buddies, sponsors, tokens, and guitar lunch, to name just a few.

It was a true pleasure speaking with Larry. I think you’ll enjoy listening to him, too!

Download the episode here.

The show is finally available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Larry Karnowski:
- @karnowski
- Larry on GitHub
Music:
- Both the intro and outro music this time came from The Suburbs by Arcade Fire.
- The intro was "Month of May" and the outro was "Sprawl II (Mountains Beyond Mountains)".
- Arcade Fire is carried by Merge Records.
People we mentioned during the podcast:
- Rob Sanheim
- Aaron Bedra
- Esther Derby, author of Agile Retrospectives and giver of great workshops
- Justin Gehtland
- Alistair Cockburn, author of "Characterizing people as non-linear, first-order components in software development"
Other things that came up on this show:
- The Venture Dojo (which no longer has a web presence)
- Relevance's How We Work document
- Our good friends at Pruvop

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 005 - Michael Parenteau

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Fri, 03 Feb 2012 07:00:00 PST

Ever since I began thinking about doing a Relevance podcast, I knew that I was going to want to have Michael Parenteau on the show. Michael is head of our design department, and a designer himself. He has a great attitude, and brings both that and his considerable talent to everything he does. I happened to be down in Durham the week that we released the new website, which Michael had a big hand in bringing about, so I knew the time was right to have a conversation with him about it.

In this episode, we talk with Michael Parenteau about being a designer at Relevance, Sanskrit, the importance of remembering the human part of software, and washing feet at Burning Man. Enjoy!

Download the episode here.

The show is finally available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Michael Parenteau
- @parenteau
- Michael on GitHub
We have a brand new website! You're probably looking at it right now.
- Note the hand-drawn illustrations on the team page
- And the How We Work section
- Plus the neat background image
- And don't forget about the interesting typography
- Check out what unmatchedstyle had to say about the website, too
- Please send us feedback about the website
People we mentioned during the podcast
- Jen Myers @antiheroine
- Kevin Altman @itg
Other things that came up on this show
- ClojureScript One
- Pair programming
- Git
- GitHub
- HAML
- Slim
- Jekyll
- Ruby
- Liquid
- Agile Principles
- Clojure
- Software Craftsmanship
- Sanskrit
- Devi Mandir
- Burning Man

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 004 - Aaron Bedra's Valedictory

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 11:30:00 PST

When I heard that Aaron Bedra was leaving Relevance, I was surprised and a bit saddened. But I also thought, "Hey, we should have him on the podcast." And that's just what we did. I think it's great to work at a place where it's cool to record an interview with someone who has decided to move on.

In this episode, we talk to Aaron about what brought him to Relevance, some of the things he's worked on while he was here and even a bit about what the future holds for him.

Download the episode here.

You may have noticed a sweet new feature on the podcast: cover art! Our crack design team offered to produce "album covers" for our shows, and I realized that I'd be an idiot not to take them up on the offer. It's a fun detail, and one I hope you'll enjoy.

As a reminder, you can subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. I'm still working on getting the show added to iTunes, but that should happen pretty soon.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Aaron Bedra
Music
- Intro: Red Baron, performed by Billy Cobham off of "Spectrum"
- Outro: Aeroplane, by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, off of "One Hot Minute"
People
- Muness Alrubie: @muness
- Stu Halloway: @stuarthalloway
- Justin Gehtland: @jgethland
- David Liebke: @liebke
- Chris Redinger: @redinger
Links
- Groupon
- RailsConf
- Streamlined
- RubyConf
- ThoughtWorks
- MetaSploit
- Programming Clojure: First Edition, Second Edition
- Building Safe Applications, a PeepCode book by Aaron Bedra
- test.generative
- QuickCheck
- EasyCheck
- Heroku
- Casting SPELs in Lisp
- Land of Lisp
- Rails Recipes
- GitHub
- Strange Loop
- Clojure/conj
- Clojure/West

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 003 - Brenton Ashworth on ClojureScript One

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:00:00 PST

I was particularly excited to record this, our third episode of ThinkRelevance: The Podcast. That's because on today's show, we talk with Brenton Ashworth about ClojureScript One, which was released just this week. As Brenton will explain, ClojureScript One is a project aimed at helping people learn how to use ClojureScript quickly and effectively.

Download the episode here.

As a reminder, you can subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. I'm still working on getting the show added to iTunes, but that should happen pretty soon.

You can send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com, or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

Our guest, Brenton Ashworth
Music
- The intro song on this episode is Fight Fire With Fire, by Metallica.
- The outro song is Paranoid by Black Sabbath.
People
- Luke Vanderhart: @levanderhart, GitHub
- Jen Myers: @antiheroine, Blog, GitHub
- Kevin Altman @itg
- Michael Parenteau @parenteau
- Rich Hickey: @richhickey
- Fogus: @fogus, Blog, GitHub
- David Nolen: @swannodette, Blog, GitHub
Links
- ClojureScript One
- ClojureScript itself
- Google Closure
- Domina - A ClojureScript DOM manipulation library
- Hiccup - A fast library for rendering HTML in Clojure
- How We Pair- A bit about pair programming at Relevance
- The "Hammock Talk" - Rich's excellent talk about how to solve hard problems

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 002 - David Liebke on Avout

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Wed, 04 Jan 2012 21:00:00 PST

Hello, and welcome to the second episode of ThinkRelevance: The Podcast. We had so much fun last time that we thought we'd do it again! This time, we talk to David Liebke (@liebke), a developer here at Relevance. The main thrust of our conversation centers on Avout, a Clojure library for managing distributed state in a consistent manner. Avout is pretty cool, and we get to hear David explain it, as well as talk a bit about the source of the names of all David's projects, the book Anathem.

Download the episode here.

In other exciting news, the show now has an actual feed, just like a real, grown-up podcast. You can find it at http://feeds.feedburner.com/thinkrelevance/podcast. I'll work on getting the show added to iTunes as the next step.

Also, I believe I forgot to mention this last time, but please send feedback about the show to podcast@thinkrelevance.com. Thanks for listening!

Show Notes

David Liebke on the Internet
The intro and outro music today both come from IOLET by David Stutz. The CD is inspired by some of the concepts and themes in Anathem. The intro song is Deriving the Quadratic Equation, and the outro is Approximating Pi.
Avout can be found on the web at http://avout.io. You can ask questions on the Clojure mailing list.
Some of the technologies we talked about on this episode:
The people we mentioned today include:
- Rich Hickey: @richhickey
- Stuart Sierra: @stuartsierra, Blog
- Neil Stephenson

ThinkRelevance: The Podcast - Episode 001

podcast@thinkrelevance.com (Relevance) — Sun, 18 Dec 2011 21:00:00 PST

Relevance is a fascinating place to work. The primary reason for that, in my opinion, is the great people that work there. I find I'm constantly having interesting conversations with my coworkers, and it's not always about tech stuff. More than once I've had a random hallway conversation and thought, "Wow, if I had recorded that, it would make a pretty good podcast episode."

So that's what I'm doing. On a roughly weekly basis, I'm going to be releasing conversations with the people I am privileged to work with. We've got no set agenda: just have an interesting conversation about whatever people want to talk about.

As this is our first episode, I'm still figuring out how to do all the usual podcast stuff, like getting it on iTunes, creating a feed, and all that jazz. So for our inaugural episode, we're just going with a simple download link. I'll get all the fancy podcast stuff figured out, soon, I promise.

In this episode, I talk with Justin Gehtland, who's sort of our CEO (he explains the "sort of" in the episode). As is always the case when talking to Justin, it was a fun conversation. I hope you'll agree.

Show Notes

We mention a lot of people in the podcast. Here's a list of where to find them on the web:

Justin Gehtland: @jgehtland, Blog
Alan Dipert: @alandipert, Blog
"Scary" Ron Sumida: Current web whereabouts unknown
Don Box: @donbox, Wikipedia
Chris Sells: @csells, Blog, Wikipedia
Brent Rector: Website
Keith Brown: @keithbrown42, Website
Stu Halloway: @stuarthalloway
Tim Ewald: Current web whereabouts unknown
Glenn Vanderburg: @glv, Blog
Jason Rudolph: @jasonrudolph, Website
Rob Sanheim: @rsanheim
Rich Hickey: @richhickey
Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas are The Pragmatic Programmers

Other notes:

The intro to the podcast is the song Jet City Woman by Queensrÿche.
The outro to the podcast is the song Sultans of Swing by Dire Straits.
Justin, Stu Halloway, Tim, and I all used to work at DevelopMentor.
Relevance's Fridays policy.
You can find out more about B Corporations at www.bcorporation.net.
Justin's books:
Band Together is on the web at www.bandtogethernc.org.
Read about Fan, the obscure programming language. Apparently it's called Fantom now.
Programming Clojure, by Stuart Halloway.
Ruby on Rails.

Relevance Blog

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